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For me it's really who is better in the long run out of Juolevi, Segachev and Chychrun.
2017 NHL Draft Discussion Part 9
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For me it's really who is better in the long run out of Juolevi, Segachev and Chychrun.
We'll re-evaluate this on the difference between 5th and 12th overall in this draft in a few years.(For reference this is the difference between Mittelstadt and maybe Necas/Suzuki... you are calling Necas/Suzuki scraps essentially)
Let's re-evaluate this after Benning trades down and he then declares it a great move.
ginner classic
Dammit Jim!
BeardyCanuck03
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ginner classic
Dammit Jim!
It would be a better move than taking his 12th ranked player 5th because he happens to be a left hand shooting playmaking center.
I will just say it: MS is not very high on him and his opinions carry a lot of weight here (as they should; I say this as a fan.)
Josepho
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This is also a pretty big factor in it and I have no problem with that -- the dude knows his hockey.
http://hfboards.mandatory.com/showpost.php?p=132295299&postcount=106
His concerns with are reasonable and I agree with him to an extent. I definitely think Glass needs to bulk up (or develop way better acceleration, but that's far less likely than bulking up) before he can become an effective NHL player.
I mainly have a problem with people writing the guy off because he's boring and unspectacular, which is a flat-out ridiculous way to evaluate a hockey player. And it's also pretty ironic given that our current best player is as vanilla as they come. This is something I will argue until the day I die.
ChilliBilly
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Originally Posted by brhymes19 View Post
Who here would trade Tryamkin for pick 59?
Sorry horrible idea. IF big if, tryamkin comes back, he will be a very valuable asset. Can't blame him for wanting out of this cluster **** .... but lets see where we are in 2 - 3 years....
Who here would trade Tryamkin for pick 59?
Sorry horrible idea. IF big if, tryamkin comes back, he will be a very valuable asset. Can't blame him for wanting out of this cluster **** .... but lets see where we are in 2 - 3 years....
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Fair but his skating can/should improve as he bulks up. He has the frame to bulk up.
From what I've heard, he's more of cerebral player and relies on his vision as opposed to stick handling and speed.
I prefer a smarter player (specially at center) so this is why I'm high on him.
WhiteCurse
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Im still hoping for Glass, plays such a smart game, makes his line mates better. I think he can can take his game to another lvl with time and still growing
Jesus, what?
My point is that most of the forwards who did that went on to become pretty damn good forwards. There aren't a lot of busts on there. The worst players are guys like Gagner, RNH, mostly Oilers.
Now here is a list of defenders who played in the OHL at 19 and were pretty good. Actually I don't have that list but it is ****ing long and full of nobodies.
Now do you see my point?
The odds are exceptionally high that a forward who scored 48 points in the NHL at 19 is going to develop into a very god damn good player. The odds are not exceptionally high that a defender who had a meh season in the OHL at that age goes on to become Drew Doughty.
Odds aside..How many D from the 2016 draft even played in the NHL? (Sergachev for a cup of tea,Chychrun)..Not taking anything away from Tkachuks accomplishment...but defensemen take longer to develop than wingers...
Have never seen any evidence that this is true, at least for high draft picks. 1-3 years is typical for both forwards and D. Anything beyond that is a bad sign.
So you're saying its an even playing field for dmen and forwards to crack the NHL out of junior?
biturbo19
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Eh, the Scheifele comp has spread like wildfire thanks to Button. I can see some aspects of it, particularly the "projection pick" element of it. Especially if we're talking comparable to draft day Scheifele. Like Scheifele, i could see it taking a while for Glass to really fill out and become the player he's eventually going to be. They're also both smart, well-rounded, responsible, unselfish sort of players who fit really well within a "team game". But beyond that, and stylistically, i don't really like the comp much myself. I think Scheifele is always going to be the bigger, more physically imposing player, and the better pure shooter and more direct offensive player.
Stylistically and in terms of rough upside, the comp i go to for Cody Glass is someone like David Krejci. Maybe even a rich man's version of that as an absolute "ceiling" if Glass really does fill out, and adds a lot more power to his skating along with that (which is certainly possible given how not filled out his frame is right now as a result of his pretty substantial growth spurt).
I don't mean that comp as an insult in the slightest. If you get a David Krejci in his prime type player out of Glass, that's probably a fantastic pick where we're at. That's a top-scorer in the regular season and playoffs on a Stanley Cup winning squad type player. But similar to the way Glass plays, quietly fantastic and not really in the spotlight. Just making players around them better.
It's just a slight to this draft class in general. If there was someone in this draft i thought realistically projected as the Mark Scheifele we see today...? That player would be #1 on my board in this draft, easy. I don't think even Patrick or Hischier are remotely safe projections to be PPG impact #1 Centers like that.
I tend to have respect for guys who have been posting intelligently here for 15 years. I don't know why that's weird. Showing someone some respect is pretty foreign to a lot of you I suppose. But then, you strike me as being 13-14 years old so I guess it comes with age.
That is not the point, and I am not sure how I can make this any clearer.
IF a player plays in the NHL the year after being drafted, and IF the player has the kind of season that Tkachuk does, then the odds are very high he will be a good NHL player for many years, as virtually every single forward who has put up 45-55 points as an 18 year old have done.
Juolevi, the jury is still out. Nobody has written him off. Clearly, he still has plenty of time to make the NHL before anyone even thinks of using the B word, BUT even when he was drafted he was considered a somewhat low ceiling prospect, so it's hard to believe he is going to eclipse Tkachuk right now. It could happen. But Tkachuk clearly has the inside lane at the moment.
I am not sure how else to say this. I feel like I am just saying the same thing in different words. Maybe someone else can try. Maybe I can get some puppets to explain it.
That is not the point, and I am not sure how I can make this any clearer.
IF a player plays in the NHL the year after being drafted, and IF the player has the kind of season that Tkachuk does, then the odds are very high he will be a good NHL player for many years, as virtually every single forward who has put up 45-55 points as an 18 year old have done.
Juolevi, the jury is still out. Nobody has written him off. Clearly, he still has plenty of time to make the NHL before anyone even thinks of using the B word, BUT even when he was drafted he was considered a somewhat low ceiling prospect, so it's hard to believe he is going to eclipse Tkachuk right now. It could happen. But Tkachuk clearly has the inside lane at the moment.
I am not sure how else to say this. I feel like I am just saying the same thing in different words. Maybe someone else can try. Maybe I can get some puppets to explain it.
Never stated that actually.
Everyone is riding someone's hype train it appears. I'm just not simply firm on who we pick.
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