Confirmed Signing with Link: 2017-18 Prospect Signings Thread

[uncleben]

As long as you own his rights, isn't a player tradeable even if he's not signed ?

That's my general understanding too but was having a discussion with someone and the notion of an undrafted, free agent-signed prospect whose contract has not initiated yet cannot be traded was brought up. And it had me question if they count as a Reserve player in the same manner.

I imagine they are still tradeable, by CBA standards, but it would be in very poor taste and look bad on the organization to other potential suitors to sign a prospect after March 1 and trade him before July 1, barring he is part of some huge deal.

 

[Booba]

As long as you own his rights, isn't a player tradeable even if he's not signed ?

The difference is that those unsigned players (either draft picks or RFAs) are on your current reserve list as opposed to a guy like Marchment.

 

[caley]

Koivula Agrees To Entry-Level Deal

The New York Islanders announced today that forward Otto Koivula has agreed to terms on a three-year, entry-level deal.

 

[Michel Beauchamp]

That's my general understanding too but was having a discussion with someone and the notion of an undrafted, free agent-signed prospect whose contract has not initiated yet cannot be traded was brought up. And it had me question if they count as a Reserve player in the same manner.

I imagine they are still tradeable, by CBA standards, but it would be in very poor taste and look bad on the organization to other potential suitors to sign a prospect after March 1 and trade him before July 1, barring he is part of some huge deal.

The difference is that those unsigned players (either draft picks or RFAs) are on your current reserve list as opposed to a guy like Marchment.

From the initial post I responded to, I wasn't aware that Marchment was an undrafted FA.

He is however property of the Marlies.

So he could be traded by them to a NHL team.

Or can he be ? It often happened when I was a youngster or even before I was born (1949), but that might have changed.

I wonder if a Google search would reveal the last time a trade took place between a NHL team and a AHL team...

 

[CHRDANHUTCH]

From the initial post I responded to, I wasn't aware that Marchment was an undrafted FA.

He is however property of the Marlies.

So he could be traded by them to a NHL team.

Or can he be ? It often happened when I was a youngster or even before I was born (1949), but that might have changed.

I wonder if a Google search would reveal the last time a trade took place between a NHL team and a AHL team...

never happens, most, if not all AHL Teams are either outright owned or operated by the NHL team (the Marlies are one of those) or have an agreement as strictly an affiliate.... it never happens because one of the prerequisites to being in the AHL requires an affiliation to be a member in good standing, independent of whether the player is contractually obligated.... if Marchment is traded by Toronto, his rights go to the team that acquires him, and subsequentially that affiliate or affiliates as many also have ECHL Affiliations if deemed necessary.

 

[Teemu]

 

[LastWordArmy]

The point on Marchment is moot though.

It is past the NHL trade deadline. While trades can be made now (see Flyers-Oilers), no player traded today can play for his new team this season or in the playoffs, it has to wait til next season.

So there is no reason to trade Marchment now, even if its possible.

If you agree on the deal, you simply make it a player to be named later, and then he is traded on July 1st officially.

The leafs did this when trading Bernier to the Ducks. They agreed in principle to move him, after he was paid his roster bonus, and then just registered that part of the trade later. If there is an issue with Marchment, no reason it couldn't wait til July 1st.

 

[uncleben]

The point on Marchment is moot though.

It is past the NHL trade deadline. While trades can be made now (see Flyers-Oilers), no player traded today can play for his new team this season or in the playoffs, it has to wait til next season.

So there is no reason to trade Marchment now, even if its possible.

If you agree on the deal, you simply make it a player to be named later, and then he is traded on July 1st officially.

The leafs did this when trading Bernier to the Ducks. They agreed in principle to move him, after he was paid his roster bonus, and then just registered that part of the trade later. If there is an issue with Marchment, no reason it couldn't wait til July 1st.

It is moot in practice, but the point is to find a clarification on the hypothetical situation.

And players dealt after the trade deadline CAN play in season. They cannot however play in playoffs, unless they get special league permission due to injury (there are also contract negotiation, buyouts, and insurance implications that stem from the TDL too).

Also, you cannot register a deal with the League with "a player to be named later". Any agreement is a handshake deal at best.
Yes, Toronto and Anaheim agreed to a deal in principle in the matter of Bernier, but there was no agreement between them that could have been enforced by the League. Either Toronto or Anaheim could have backed out.
Just to clarify for all!

 

[Michel Beauchamp]

It is moot in practice, but the point is to find a clarification on the hypothetical situation.

And players dealt after the trade deadline CAN play in season. They cannot however play in playoffs, unless they get special league permission due to injury (there are also contract negotiation, buyouts, and insurance implications that stem from the TDL too).

Also, you cannot register a deal with the League with "a player to be named later". Any agreement is a handshake deal at best.
Yes, Toronto and Anaheim agreed to a deal in principle in the matter of Bernier, but there was no agreement between them that could have been enforced by the League. Either Toronto or Anaheim could have backed out.
Just to clarify for all!

Does that mean that those "Future considerations" deals aren't allowed anymore ?

 

[LastWordArmy]

It is moot in practice, but the point is to find a clarification on the hypothetical situation.

And players dealt after the trade deadline CAN play in season. They cannot however play in playoffs, unless they get special league permission due to injury (there are also contract negotiation, buyouts, and insurance implications that stem from the TDL too).

Also, you cannot register a deal with the League with "a player to be named later". Any agreement is a handshake deal at best.
Yes, Toronto and Anaheim agreed to a deal in principle in the matter of Bernier, but there was no agreement between them that could have been enforced by the League. Either Toronto or Anaheim could have backed out.
Just to clarify for all!

Handshake deals (deals in principle without paperwork filed) have been enforced by the league previously. See the Eric Lindros arbitration decision.

The argument from the Nordiques was that there was no actual trade with the Flyers just an agreement in principle and the paperwork was done on the Rangers trade. We all know how that worked out.

 

[EdJovanovski]

 

[NDiesel]

Nice. Haven't seen a lot of him myself, but a lot of good posters on the Bruins board were very excited about him.

 

[405Exit]

Good signing for NYR I was talking to a few Gophers fans and they couldn’t say enough good things about em.

 

[Gospel of Prospal]

I've already called him Charlie more than I've called him Ryan. I mean the Rangers have basically cornered the market on Ryans and yet, for some reason, I can't stop calling Ryan Lindgren "Charlie Lindgren."

 

[peterthegreat12]

 

[SI90]

He’s going to be good.

 

[Machinehead]

Cautiously optimistic.

Heard some great things and heard some red flags.

Still holding out to see if he's actually great defensively or "spends the entire game in his own zone but plays fizzicuhl" great defensively.

 

[Machinehead]

He’s going to be good.

Never stop posting. I need my daily dose of Chloe on the main boards.

 

[Joey Bones]

 

[SI90]

Never stop posting. I need my daily dose of Chloe on the main boards.

She’s all mine

 

[Machinehead]

She’s all mine

Alright, you win.

Inner-division relationships are too much work anyway.

 

[Zaddy]

Interesting of him to leave college after only two years. Not like he was a dominant guy there from what I can tell. If he's not great in college, how is he gonna fare in AHL?

 

[uncleben]

Does that mean that those "Future considerations" deals aren't allowed anymore ?

Future considerations can still be completed, but the considerations need to be provided to the League at the time of the trade and the future considerations cannot be an exchange of a player at a later date, or cash. (Players, cash, team expenses, dinners, equipment were all exchanged in the past, but the rules have tightened up now.)

A common modern future consideration, as an example, is an AHL transaction between the two teams' farm teams, to cover any deficit. As those players are not on NHL contract, they are only referenced in the Leagues register as "future considerations". A recent example is Edward Pasquale to Tampa Bay from Edmonton for "future considerations". The considerations were fulfilled when Syracuse (Tampa's AHL affiliate) sent AHL player Ty Loney and Nick Riopel to Bakersfield (Edmonton's AHL affiliate).

Handshake deals (deals in principle without paperwork filed) have been enforced by the league previously. See the Eric Lindros arbitration decision.

The argument from the Nordiques was that there was no actual trade with the Flyers just an agreement in principle and the paperwork was done on the Rangers trade. We all know how that worked out.

The Lindros trade was not enforced by the League, but by an independent arbitrator, as mentioned. The League in a sense put their hands up and said, "you guys figure it out" (hyperbole).
After the ruling was complete, the League (Gil Stein) then came out of the woodworks to clarify the rule that "all [future] trades needed to be confirmed with the league office by all involved parties before they would be considered consummated".
Nowadays there is a very complex system to formally file a trade that sticks. The modern NHL trade deadline is a good example of this system pushed to the limits.

 

[caley]

Per Elliotte Friedman's 30 Thoughts

14. Pat Verbeek’s nephew, Hayden, is closing in on signing with an NHL team. An undrafted free agent at OHL Sault Ste. Marie, Verbeek scored 30 goals this season — only one of which came on the power play. (Four were shorthanded.) He’s not a big man, but if he’s got the same DNA as his uncle, he’ll give it a good shot.

 

[BBB24]

Interesting of him to leave college after only two years. Not like he was a dominant guy there from what I can tell. If he's not great in college, how is he gonna fare in AHL?

He was pretty dominate I need the shut down role, solid man and Rangers will be happy with his game. May take a year or two in the AHL but he should develop into a good dman in the future.