Those are games played. Those aren't accomplishments.
So your premise is that it isn't an accomplishment for Vorobyov to have played 72 KHL games in his 17 and 18 year old seasons? Or Hagg to have played 77 SHL games in his 17 and 18 year old seasons?
Come on now. Is it not an accomplishment for Provorov and Konecny to have played in the NHL at 19? It's absolutely an accomplishment to earn regular playing time among men in high level professional leagues at those ages.
I know scoreboard scouting is your thing (which is hilarious for someone clamoring for Hagg) but comparing stats for guys in different leagues and calling it a day doesn't cut it.
Oh, so now I'm only "comparing stats for guys in different leagues and calling it a day?" Convenient and disingenuous, because in every post pertaining to my analysis I mentioned that I don't like Allison's hockey sense or puckhandling, whereas I think Vorobyov has terrific hockey sense and better puck skills, and also mentioned that Vorobyov is just as big, and that both he and Hagg have terrific raw physical attributes that equal or better Allison's physical abilities.
And if you want to go back to just production, re: Smirnov -- he didn't just have a better freshman season, he also had better USHL seasons than Allison in every comparable season. At this point, at basically the exact same age, Smirnov has had the better career.
Vorobyov has 72 KHL games by simple virtue of being Russian. Allison could have played in the KHL had he grown up in Russia. That's not an accomplishment. He was great at the WJC, but let's be honest with ourselves, Kaprizov was stirring that drink, not Vorobyov.
I very much doubt your argument that Allison would have equaled Vorobyov in KHL playing time had he only played in Russia. And I also like how you discount Vorobyov notching 10 points in 7 WJC games for Team Russia, being their 2nd leading scorer and tying for 3rd overall in points in the entire WJC, simply because he was good enough to earn the first line center role and play with Kaprizov.
Even though I disagree with your projection that Allison is more likely to be an NHL scoring line player than Vorobyov, I think it's at least a reasonable basis for your ranking him ahead of Vorobyov as a prospect -- but to act like Vorobyov and Hagg haven't accomplished more at the same stages in their careers as Allison, I cannot get on board with that logic.
Can we again just clear up that winning by a lot of votes isn't the same as people seeing a big difference between players.
If you asked people which of 1,000,000,000,001 or 1,000,000,000,000 is the bigger number, the votes would be unanimous for the first option EVEN THOUGH THEY'RE CLOSE.
Disparity in votes =/= disparity in options.
That's a misrepresentation of my point. I'm not arguing people are saying there's a big difference between Allison and everyone else who hasn't been ranked yet. I think that's obvious. I'm saying that I can't believe more people rank Allison ahead of Vorobyov and Hagg than the latter two combined, regardless of how small those wide-consensus voters believe the difference to be.
I'm not trying to sound like an ******* here, which can be easy to do on message boards. But I think the Allison ranking has far more to do with what people hope he will be than what he's actually shown to date. Like I said, maybe he'll end up the best player of the remaining prospects on the list, but, as of right now, I'm not seeing the indication.
