2016 Hall Of Fame Results: Griffey Jr, Piazza inducted into the HoF

[Cubs2024WSChamps]

Sosa should be in before a bunch of these guys.....

 

[MurrayBannerman]

If you think of Musial as a 1B I would have the same ranking. If not, yeah just bump up the others.

Exactly. I just put him there because it can be argued and even then, Bags is in there.

 

[MurrayBannerman]

Sosa should be in before a bunch of these guys.....

Be specific.

 

[Pwnasaurus]

Be specific.

Bill Mazeroski

 

[SladeWilson23]

Only thing Sosa really has is the 600 HR's. Using BR's version of WAR he has......

SOSA
WAR: 58.4
WAR7: 43.7
JAWS: 51

AVG HOF RF'er
WAR: 73.2
WAR7: 43.0
JAWS: 58.1

 

[MurrayBannerman]

Sosa's a fringey guy. 70 is like the automatic number that gets you in. He's pretty close to it.

 

[robert terwilliger]

how is hoffman a "lock"

it's going to be an enormous hall of fame if we start letting in every above average relief pitcher.

 

[SladeWilson23]

Sosa's a fringey guy. 70 is like the automatic number that gets you in. He's pretty close to it.

Using Fangraphs, he's at a 60 WAR. I really hate how BR and FG have two different WAR calculations btw.

 

[John Price]

Griffey is pretty much assured in and may be the first 100%

No player has ever been elected unanimously. Tom Seaver holds the record for garnering the highest percentage of the vote, 98.8% in 1992. (Five not-so-terrific writers didn’t vote for him.) Even if Griffey Jr. doesn't get 100% or pass Seaver, he could at least challenge the biggest percentage by an outfielder: Ty Cobb, who pulled in 98.2% on the first election in 1936.

Such marginalia, of course, is nothing but meaningless fun. This is a pass-fail test. All that matters is the 75% needed for election.

http://www.si.com/mlb/2016/01/05/hall-fame-ballot-preview

 

[Bjorn Le]

This is the only one I'm aware of

https://onedrive.live.com/view.aspx...=file,xlsx&app=Excel&authkey=!AC7uZHAmcVGWgwE

How accurate have these been in the fast prediction wise?

 

[SladeWilson23]

How accurate have these been in the fast prediction wise?

Pretty accurate.

 

[John Price]

RT @jaysonst We could be headed for an unprecedented HOF election. Ken Griffey was the first player picked in his draft, Mike Piazza the 1,390th in his!

 

[MurrayBannerman]

Using Fangraphs, he's at a 60 WAR. I really hate how BR and FG have two different WAR calculations btw.

I don't. They serve different purposes.

 

[Cubs2024WSChamps]

I am not a Sosa fan, but for five years he dominated the game until Bonds took over.

Is he HOF? Well, with some of the people already in, you can make a case.

 

[MS]

Hoffman would be such a joke. 28 career WAR, and won absolutely nothing. The only relief pitcher in MLB history that belongs in the BHOF is Mariano Rivera when he's eligible. It's like inducting Bunny Laraque into the HHOF because he was a great backup goalie.

Griffey and Piazza are both definitely going in. After that, who knows.

 

[Cubs2024WSChamps]

Wouldnt mind seeing Piazza go in. Would open the door for Bonds who is the GOAT.

 

[Voight]

If Sosa gets in, Bonds DEFINITELY should get in.

Side note, feel really bad for Moose. Consistency gets you nowhere these days unless you ave some hardware it seems.

 

[robert terwilliger]

I am not a Sosa fan, but for five years he dominated the game until Bonds took over.

sosa's peak fwar

http://www.fangraphs.com/leaders.as...&team=0&rost=0&age=0&filter=&players=1109,302

bonds and sosa are nothing alike other than they were baseball players. and one could argue that at that part of bonds's career that he had moved beyond playing baseball and had basically solved it.

 

[Terry Yake]

If Sosa gets in, Bonds DEFINITELY should get in.

Side note, feel really bad for Moose. Consistency gets you nowhere these days unless you ave some hardware it seems.

moose deserves to be in 100%

one of my all time favorite players. a model of consistency throughout the 90s on some crappy orioles teams

 

[robert terwilliger]

that live ballot right now has edmonds falling off the ballot after this year as of right now.

 

[SladeWilson23]

Moose is over 50% which is double of what he got last year. He might just make it in the coming years.

 

[MurrayBannerman]

Hoffman would be such a joke. 28 career WAR, and won absolutely nothing. The only relief pitcher in MLB history that belongs in the BHOF is Mariano Rivera when he's eligible. It's like inducting Bunny Laraque into the HHOF because he was a great backup goalie.

Griffey and Piazza are both definitely going in. After that, who knows.

No, it's not. It's not at all.

 

[Cubs2024WSChamps]

sosa's peak fwar

http://www.fangraphs.com/leaders.as...&team=0&rost=0&age=0&filter=&players=1109,302

bonds and sosa are nothing alike other than they were baseball players. and one could argue that at that part of bonds's career that he had moved beyond playing baseball and had basically solved it.

And I respect the feedback. First off, let me make it abundantly clear I am not a fan of the circus that was Sammy Sosa. But, using standard statistics he had a five year run that rivals all time greatness. Advanced statistics do indeed throw a wrench in his claim, as they should, and so do the whole PED assumption, but credit do to some pretty amazing offensive years.

600 home runs, PED or not, is nothing to sneeze at. With some names already in and being mentioned, I have a hard time accepting they had more of an impact that Sosa.

 

[robert terwilliger]

yeah using standard stats you can ignore a lot.

 

[Terry Yake]

that live ballot right now has edmonds falling off the ballot after this year as of right now.

edmonds is a perfect example of someone who is in the "hall of very good"

had a handful of decent seasons with the angels but never could stay healthy for a full season. his first 6-7 seasons with the cardinals he was easily one of the best CF in baseball if not the best with the bat and glove. his overall numbers are pretty good but hall of fame worthy? i'd say just short.