2016 Draft: 2nd Pick: Tyler Benson (UPD: Invited to Summer WJC Camp)

Aceboogie

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Small guys that arent good at skating have a tough time in NHL or any form of pro. While I wont write off Debrincat, id still take Benson over him even after this year

CHL is littered with sub 5'10 players that lit up scoring.

Yes there is Gaudreau and Johnson, but most good small players have great skating
 

Debonair

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The WHL is weird in that regard though, I think.

Seems like there's a handful of guys every year that score 100+ points and then just disappear.

I think the list of 100+ point OHL scorers that don't make the NHL is much shorter.


edit: I was curious. There's been 23 100+ point scorers in the OHL since 2010. Charlie Sarault(Ducks UFA, bust), Dane Fox(Canucks UFA, bust), Andrew Mangiapane(Flames pick in 2015, just had a decent rookie AHL season) and DeBrincat(the only three time 100+ point scorer) are the only guys who haven't played NHL games.

The OHL is a much better league at development than either the Q or the WHL. At least for forwards.
 

McDavidMcCup

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Im actually the complete opposite of you on this one. Medical information is private. If Tyler Benson wants to make his medical file public or tell you about it, that's his right. However, it is also his right to keep his medical conditions and history private.

Not only do the Edmonton Oilers not owe any of us an explanation, it is my opinion that it is illegal for them to do so without Benson's consent.

I really don't understand the infatuation you have with getting a 19 year old kids medical records released publically. Who cares?

Same goes for any other player in the league....


I understand your concerns, and perhaps the exception here is that they are professional athletes. They have every right to medical priviledge. You have to agree that we get exceptional access to players that we don't get with everyday citizens. It is part of the position that goes with multi million dollar contracts, to a degree.


Having said that, if it were not a sporting injury, as in Cancer or MS, I would totally agree with you it is absolutely none of my business.

I think you are taking the high ground and missing the point here. Draft picks are extremely valuable resources. You could argue they are the life blood of an organization. We are fans of that organization and together we don't want to see it be wasted.

Our team has a responsibility to know everything about the player and screen every inch of them to ensure they don't miss.

Our team did that assessment of Benson and it looks like they missed. My question is can we do better, should we not be asking questions on the process?
I am interested in knowing the answers to that regarding one of key prospects.
 

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I understand your concerns, and perhaps the exception here is that they are professional athletes. They have every right to medical priviledge. You have to agree that we get exceptional access to players that we don't get with everyday citizens. It is part of the position that goes with multi million dollar contracts, to a degree.


Having said that, if it were not a sporting injury, as in Cancer or MS, I would totally agree with you it is absolutely none of my business.

I think you are taking the high ground and missing the point here. Draft picks are extremely valuable resources. You could argue they are the life blood of an organization. We are fans of that organization and together we don't want to see it be wasted.

Our team has a responsibility to know everything about the player and screen every inch of them to ensure they don't miss.

Our team did that assessment of Benson and it looks like they missed. My question is can we do better, should we not be asking questions on the process?
I am interested in knowing the answers to that regarding one of key prospects.

It's coming off as if you are looking for a reason to call for someone's head after a very successful season, or adding to the list of reasons why this management team is as inept as the last.... they aren't. Trust the system and trust the process, it seems to be working.
 

McMozesmadness

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Vancouver acquired Brad Morrison today, he is one of the better players in the WHL today and a 4th round pick of the New York Rangers.

This means two things to me:

1) This is awesome news for Tyler Benson, Morrison is a legit star centre at the junior level and will help carry the load with Benson and Ronning, potential forming a line with them.

2) Benson won't be traded... at least not right away. This indicated that the Giants, who were set to make a jump forward anyways, are going to try and ice a competitive team.

Good news!
 

lakai17

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I don't see how he doesn't make the world junior team this December.
 

ChaoticOrange

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Vancouver acquired Brad Morrison today, he is one of the better players in the WHL today and a 4th round pick of the New York Rangers.

This means two things to me:

1) This is awesome news for Tyler Benson, Morrison is a legit star centre at the junior level and will help carry the load with Benson and Ronning, potential forming a line with them.

2) Benson won't be traded... at least not right away. This indicated that the Giants, who were set to make a jump forward anyways, are going to try and ice a competitive team.

Good news!

Ehhh... Morrison isn't THAT good. He'll definitely help the Giants, but it's not like they brought in Sam Steel or anything.

52 points in 61 games isn't anything to get overly excited about.
 

McDavidMcCup

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At least they are trying to get him some help... Does anyone have an idea if he is skating? Heading to surgery? (Able to walk?)
 

ChaoticOrange

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Hopefully his recovery has been going well. First that I've heard of the surgery, hopefully he stays healthy next season and has a big season.

I hope he's back 100% now and the surgery completely corrected what was wrong with him. The Oilers need him to have a big year, guys like Benson are going to be important moving forward (IE cheap talent)
 

Zaddy

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Really hope he can stay healthy going forward and have a big year next year.
 

Stoneman89

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Wishing this young man some luck. Man, has he ever had a bad run. Missed a lot of crucial development time, and has a ton of catchup now. A real project.
 

joestevens29

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Didn't catch the first part yesterday, but the guys(gregor, struds, rishaug) were talking about Benson yesterday.

Was really pissing me off that Rishaug kept bringing up that the fans really need to step back and be patient with this kid.

Like really are there a lot of people that have Benson penciled into the Oilers lineup anytime soon? Sometime I think the media needs to just step back and stop bringing something like this up. No one is really even thinking about the kid, but if you keep bringing him up I'm sure you'll get fans relied up and asking questions.

Then again Rishaug is the one that makes a statement about Yamamato being the guy that is going to push Puljarvi
 

smokersarejokers

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Didn't catch the first part yesterday, but the guys(gregor, struds, rishaug) were talking about Benson yesterday.

Was really pissing me off that Rishaug kept bringing up that the fans really need to step back and be patient with this kid.

Like really are there a lot of people that have Benson penciled into the Oilers lineup anytime soon? Sometime I think the media needs to just step back and stop bringing something like this up. No one is really even thinking about the kid, but if you keep bringing him up I'm sure you'll get fans relied up and asking questions.

Then again Rishaug is the one that makes a statement about Yamamato being the guy that is going to push Puljarvi

I think he was saying that people shouldn't be quick to call him a bust at this point. Some on this board are certainly calling him a bust and wish that they picked Debrincat. I'm sure he reads things on twitter and I'm sure that he trolls this board from time to time.

Benson has proven to be a really good WHL player when healthy. I hope this last surgery/rehab is successful and he plays at least close to a full season.
 
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joestevens29

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I think he was saying that people shouldn't be quick to call him a bust at this point. Some on this board are certainly calling him a bust and wish that they picked Debrincat. I'm sure he reads things on twitter and I'm sure that he trolls this board from time to time.

Benson has proven to be a really good WHL player when healthy. I hope this last surgery/rehab is successful and he plays at least close to a full season.

This essentially happened with every pick we've made with the exception of McDavid.
 

MacT at the Wheel

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I still think the Benson pick was good. The Oilers will be picking late for years to come and we have the ability to go for high-risk/high-reward choices. Yamamoto is another example of this.
 

LemmyUlanov55

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Good to hear Benson's on the way up, his injury history seems brutal. Losing so much development time at this age due to injury can be critical.
 

Bryanbryoil

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Reposting this as the post didn't survive the forum move.

Tyler Benson is expected to return to the Vancouver Giant lineup by mid October. Doctors haven't cleared him for contact just yet. The team will be on their Saskatchewan/ Manitoba swing at that time and Benson will be slowly eased back into the lineup.

http://edmontonjournal.com/sports/h...ected-to-join-vancouver-giants-in-three-weeks

Thanks for that. I really hope that he can stay healthy this season. It must be extremely frustrating for him.
 
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The Nuge

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I still think the Benson pick was good. The Oilers will be picking late for years to come and we have the ability to go for high-risk/high-reward choices. Yamamoto is another example of this.

Ya there really are no "safe" picks so you may as well take the guy with upside. Debrincat very well might turn out better, but Benson is a guy who could explode out of nowhere if he can stay healthy. People are quick to forget how high he was supposed to go in the draft before all the injuries
 

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