Salary Cap: 2016-17 Roster Building XXIV | You ain't landin' Landy

[ColePens]

All figures are cap numbers, not salaries.

2016-17 salary ceiling​

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​

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73,000,000​

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Pens' projected spending |

76,114,806​

Approx. LTIR cushion |

3,750,000​

Deadline cap space |

903,231​

PITTSBURGH PENGUINS

Forward.................​

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Pos.​

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Age​

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2016-17​

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2017-18​

|

2018-19​

Evgeni Malkin|

C​

|

30​

|

9,500,000​

|

9,500,000​

|

9,500,000​

Sidney Crosby|

C​

|

29​

|

8,700,000​

|

8,700,000​

|

8,700,000​

Phil Kessel|

RW​

|

29​

|

6,800,000​

|

6,800,000​

|

6,800,000​

Patric Hornqvist|

RW​

|

29​

|

4,250,000​

|

4,250,000​

|

UFA​

Carl Hagelin|

LW​

|

28​

|

4,000,000​

|

4,000,000​

|

4,000,000​

Chris Kunitz|

LW​

|

37​

|

3,850,000​

|

UFA​

Eric Fehr|

RW​

|

31​

|

2,000,000​

|

2,000,000​

|

UFA​

Nick Bonino|

C​

|

28​

|

1,900,000​

|

UFA​

Matt Cullen|

C​

|

40​

|

1,000,000​

|

UFA​

Jake Guentzel|

LW​

|

22​

|

734,167​

|

734,167​

|

734,167​

Conor Sheary|

LW​

|

24​

|

667,500​

|

RFA​

Bryan Rust|

RW​

|

24​

|

640,000​

|

640,000​

|

RFA​

Scott Wilson|

LW​

|

24​

|

625,000​

|

625,000​

|

RFA​

Tom Kuhnhackl|

LW​

|

24​

|

625,000​

|

625,000​

|

RFA​

Defense.................​

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Pos.​

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Age​

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2016-17​

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2017-18​

|

.2018-19​

Olli Maatta|

D​

|

22​

|

4,083,333​

|

4,083,333​

|

4,083,333​

Trevor Daley|

D​

|

33​

|

3,300,000​

|

UFA​

Ian Cole|

D​

|

27​

|

2,100,000​

|

2,100,000​

|

UFA​

Justin Schultz|

D​

|

26​

|

1,400,000​

|

RFA​

Steve Oleksy|

D​

|

30​

|

575,000​

|

UFA​

Chad Ruhwedel|

D​

|

26​

|

575,000​

|

UFA​

Cameron Gaunce|

D​

|

26​

|

575,000​

|

UFA​

Goalie............,.......​

|

Pos.​

|

Age​

|

2016-17​

|

2017-18​

|

.2018-19​

Marc-Andre Fleury|

G​

|

32​

|

5,750,000​

|

5,750,000​

|

5,750,000​

Matt Murray|

G​

|

22​

|

620,000​

|

3,750,000​

|

3,750,000​

|

RFA​

Injured reserve.....​

|

Pos.​

|

Age​

|

2016-17​

|

2017-18​

|

.2018-19​

Kris Letang|

D​

|

29​

|

7,250,000​

|

7,250,000​

|

7,250,000​

Pascal Dupuis|

RW​

|

37​

|

3,750,000​

|

UFA​

Brian Dumoulin|

D​

|

25​

|

800,000​

|

RFA​

Retained salary.....​

|

Pos.​

|

Age​

|

2016-17​

|

2017-18​

|

.2018-19​

Rob Scuderi|

D​

|

37​

|

1,125,000​

WILKES-BARRE/SCRANTON PENGUINS

Forward...............​

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Pos.​

|

Age​

|

2016-17​

|

2017-18​

|

2018-19​

Thomas Di Pauli|

C​

|

22​

|

742,500​

|

742,500​

|

RFA​

Teddy Blueger|

C​

|

22​

|

705,000​

|

705,000​

|

RFA​

Oskar Sundqvist|

C​

|

22​

|

700,833​

|

RFA​

Dominik Simon|

C​

|

22​

|

692,500​

|

692,500​

|

RFA​

Josh Archibald|

RW​

|

24​

|

659,167​

|

RFA​

Carter Rowney|

RW​

|

27​

|

612,500​

|

612,500​

|

UFA​

Jean-Sebastien Dea|

C​

|

22​

|

585,000​

|

RFA​

Kevin Porter|

C​

|

30​

|

575,000​

|

UFA​

Garrett Wilson|

LW​

|

25​

|

575,000​

|

UFA​

Danny Kristo|

RW​

|

26​

|

575,000​

|

UFA​

Tom Sestito|

LW​

|

29​

|

575,000​

|

UFA​

Defense...............​

|

Pos.​

|

Age​

|

2016-17​

|

2017-18​

|

2018-19​

Derrick Pouliot|

D​

|

22​

|

863,333​

|

RFA​

Ethan Prow|

D​

|

24​

|

730,000​

|

730,000​

|

RFA​

Lukas Bengtsson|

D​

|

22​

|

705,000​

|

705,000​

|

RFA​

David Warsofsky|

D​

|

26​

|

575,000​

|

UFA​

Stuart Percy|

D​

|

23​

|

575,000​

|

RFA​

Tim Erixon|

D​

|

25​

|

575,000​

|

RFA​

Goalie..................​

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Pos.​

|

Age​

|

2016-17​

|

2017-18​

|

2018-19​

Tristan Jarry|

G​

|

21​

|

589,167​

|

589,167​

|

RFA​

WHEELING NAILERS

Goalie..................​

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Pos.​

|

Age​

|

2016-17​

|

2017-18​

|

2018-19​

Sean Maguire|

G​

|

23​

|

705,000​

|

705,000​

|

RFA​

SIGNED PROSPECTS

Player​

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Pos.​

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Age​

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Current Team​

|

Contract​

Daniel Sprong|

F​

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19​

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Charlottetown (QMJHL)​

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2 years, $692,500 per​

UNSIGNED PROSPECTS

Player​

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​

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Pos.​

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Age​

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Current Team (League)​

Niclas Almari|

D​

|

18​

|HPK (Liiga)

Anthony Angello|

F​

|

20​

|Cornell (ECAC)

Dane Birks|

D​

|

21​

|Michigan Tech (WCHA)

Kasper Bjorkqvist|

F​

|

19​

|Providence (HEA)

Blaine Byron|

F​

|

21​

|Maine (HEA)

Filip Gustavsson|

G​

|

18​

|Luleå HF (SHL)

Connor Hall|

D​

|

18​

|Kitchener (OHL)

Ryan Jones|

D​

|

20​

|Nebraska-Omaha (NCHC)

Troy Josephs|

F​

|

22​

|Clarkson (ECAC)

Sam Lafferty|

F​

|

21​

|Brown (ECAC)

Joe Masonius|

D​

|

19​

|Connecticut (HEA)

Nikita Pavlychev|

F​

|

19​

|Penn State (B1G)

Alexander Pechurskiy|

G​

|

26​

|Amur Khabarovsk (KHL)

Jeff Taylor|

D​

|

22​

|Union (ECAC)

Frederik Tiffels|

F​

|

21​

|Western Michigan (NCHC)

Dominik Uher|

C​

|

23​

|HC Sparta Praha (ELH)

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[SEALBound]

Twice now I've gone to reply to post and the threads have been closed! Gah!

Re: Avs trades

I'm not sure I would do Tyutin in a Landeskog trade. I would rather do Maatta+ for Landy and then Kunitz+ for Stone.

I think Maatta and Landy are close. I think what you'd see is an exchange of prospects or an exchange of picks. Like we add a 2nd, they add a 3rd or something minor like that.

I think Arizona would take Kunitz but that it would also take a prospect which would be the real target if Arizona is trading stone. Kunitz+Pouliot for Stone+conditional pick based on him resigning.

Those are two moves that really open doors for us. You just have to have the confidence in Daley that he will be able to elevate his game and com through for us like he did last year. With that, I would also be looking hard at the WBS boys and see who can be that #7. I still advocate for the trade even if we don't land Landeskog. Run:

Dumo-Letang
Maatta-Daley-Stone
Cole-Schultz

Whoever falters, Stone steps in. Someone gets injured, any one of those guys would be a fantastic #7 fill in.

With Landy:

Landy-Sid-Sheary
Hagelin-Malkin-Kessel
Rust-Bonino-Hornqvist
Wilson-Cullen-Kuhnhackl

Dumo-Letang
Stone-Daley
Cole-Schultz
#7

MM

Without Landeskog:

Sheary-Sid-Rust
Guentzel-Malkin-Hornqvist
Hags-Bones-Kessel
Wilson-Cullen-Kuhnhackl

Dumo-Letang
Maatta-Daley
Cole-Schultz
Stone

 

[DesertPenguin]

Twice now I've gone to reply to post and the threads have been closed! Gah!

Re: Avs trades

I'm not sure I would do Tyutin in a Landeskog trade. I would rather do Maatta+ for Landy and then Kunitz+ for Stone.

I think Maatta and Landy are close. I think what you'd see is an exchange of prospects or an exchange of picks. Like we add a 2nd, they add a 3rd or something minor like that.

I think Arizona would take Kunitz but that it would also take a prospect which would be the real target if Arizona is trading stone. Kunitz+Pouliot for Stone+conditional pick based on him resigning.

Those are two moves that really open doors for us. You just have to have the confidence in Daley that he will be able to elevate his game and com through for us like he did last year. With that, I would also be looking hard at the WBS boys and see who can be that #7. I still advocate for the trade even if we don't land Landeskog. Run:

Dumo-Letang
Maatta-Daley-Stone
Cole-Schultz

Whoever falters, Stone steps in. Someone gets injured, any one of those guys would be a fantastic #7 fill in.

With Landy:

Landy-Sid-Sheary
Hagelin-Malkin-Kessel
Rust-Bonino-Hornqvist
Wilson-Cullen-Kuhnhackl

Dumo-Letang
Stone-Daley
Cole-Schultz
#7

MM

Without Landeskog:

Sheary-Sid-Rust
Guentzel-Malkin-Hornqvist
Hags-Bones-Kessel
Wilson-Cullen-Kuhnhackl

Dumo-Letang
Maatta-Daley
Cole-Schultz
Stone

Landeskog is a great player, and in a vacuum is better than Maatta, but given our depth at F and lack thereof on D, I think that swap makes us weaker as a team. Olli is coming back into form, and is probably at this point our best penalty killer. That is an area we can't afford to get worse in.

 

[SEALBound]

Landeskog is a great player, and in a vacuum is better than Maatta, but given our depth at F and lack thereof on D, I think that swap makes us weaker as a team. Olli is coming back into form, and is probably at this point our best penalty killer. That is an area we can't afford to get worse in.

Seems that way but I call attention to:

Hall for Larsson

Neal, Nisky for Gogo

Luke Schenn for JVR

Top 6 wings < Top 4 dmen and given Maatta's reasonable contract and the Penguins taking on salary, I think it's fairly even. Maybe a later pick or a prospect like Simon...but not much else.

 

[Ogrezilla]

Landeskog is a great player, and in a vacuum is better than Maatta, but given our depth at F and lack thereof on D, I think that swap makes us weaker as a team. Olli is coming back into form, and is probably at this point our best penalty killer. That is an area we can't afford to get worse in.

if we trade Maatta, we absolutely have to replace him. Really, the only way I like the deal is if its either immediately followed with a trade to bring in another D, or if its in the off-season with the caveat that we know we're going to lose one of our D to the expansion draft.

 

[Empoleon8771]

My issue with trading for Landeskog has nothing to do with Landeskog, it has to do with replacing Maatta once he's definitely traded for Landeskog. It's easier said than done to trade futures for Stone and put him there. I'm concerned for how much that would hurt the Penguins prospect pool by making those two moves. Let's say you can pull off Landeskog for Maatta, Kunitz and Sprong. You do have Landeskog now, but your 2nd pair has a glaring hole. How are you going to fill that? Are you going to spend big assets (as in a 1st round pick+) on bringing in a guy like Stone and make Daley-Stone the 2nd pair? Are you going to push for someone like Tyutin to be included with Landeskog and make Tyutin-Daley the bottom pair? I don't really think Cole-Schultz and Tyutin-Daley is a cup caliber defense, but I haven't watched Tyutin much this year to be honest.

Realistically, I think trading for Landeskog may be too difficult of a move to do during the season because of all of the other moves that would need to take place. I'd rather sign Mike Stone as a free agent and then look to move Maatta for Landeskog instead of trading Maatta for Landeskog right now and then also having to trade more assets for Stone.

 

[MayorofWBS]

Penguins fans are so fickle. So the overrated Michael Stone is everyone's shiny new toy for the month. The deals for Stone don't even take into account the Yotes needs. Yotes need Pouliot like they need another hole in their head.

 

[Empoleon8771]

Penguins fans are so fickle. So the overrated Michael Stone is everyone's shiny new toy for the month. The deals for Stone don't even take into account the Yotes needs. Yotes need Pouliot like they need another hole in their head.

Stone is a pending UFA, so his price would almost definitely be futures. Pouliot would certainly be an option for them, since they're pretty well set at forward. Stone is probably the best rental available, meaning he'd likely cost a lot to trade for.

 

[mgd525]

My issue with trading for Landeskog has nothing to do with Landeskog, it has to do with replacing Maatta once he's definitely traded for Landeskog. It's easier said than done to trade futures for Stone and put him there. I'm concerned for how much that would hurt the Penguins prospect pool by making those two moves. Let's say you can pull off Landeskog for Maatta, Kunitz and Sprong. You do have Landeskog now, but your 2nd pair has a glaring hole. How are you going to fill that? Are you going to spend big assets (as in a 1st round pick+) on bringing in a guy like Stone and make Daley-Stone the 2nd pair? Are you going to push for someone like Tyutin to be included with Landeskog and make Tyutin-Daley the bottom pair? I don't really think Cole-Schultz and Tyutin-Daley is a cup caliber defense, but I haven't watched Tyutin much this year to be honest.

Realistically, I think trading for Landeskog may be too difficult of a move to do during the season because of all of the other moves that would need to take place. I'd rather sign Mike Stone as a free agent and then look to move Maatta for Landeskog instead of trading Maatta for Landeskog right now and then also having to trade more assets for Stone.

I don't think the Pens would be adding much to Maatta to get Landeskog.

 

[Empoleon8771]

I don't think the Pens would be adding much to Maatta to get Landeskog.

Adding Kunitz is basically nothing and Sprong's value isn't so high that Maatta and Sprong for Landeskog is that far off.

 

[Daeni10]

I really dont think Maatta+Sprong+Kunitz would be a good trade for us. We would give up way too much for Landeskog then imo

 

[mgd525]

Adding Kunitz is basically nothing and Sprong's value isn't so high that Maatta and Sprong for Landeskog is that far off.

I just don't think it would have to be a prospect like Sprong. I really think Maatta himself would do it, perhaps a mid round pick and a so-so prospect would get it done.

 

[Empoleon8771]

I really dont think Maatta+Sprong+Kunitz would be a good trade for us. We would give up way too much for Landeskog then imo

I just don't think it would have to be a prospect like Sprong. I really think Maatta himself would do it, perhaps a mid round pick and a so-so prospect would get it done.

It seems like all of the time in cases like these, wingers get overvalued and they never bring back as much as people say. I remember in 2011, another hockey site I was posting on was sure that the Penguins would have to be adding to Goligoski to get Neal. That didn't happen. Everyone saw what Oilers fans here expected for Hall. Wasn't even close to what he actually brought back. Landeskog having a crummy season probably hurts his value even more than with Hall and Neal. He's probably being overvalued on here, but I don't think Maatta, Kunitz and a 3rd round pick would cut it. That's probably the equivalent of Maatta, a 3rd and a 2nd/3rd, that's a pretty mediocre return for Landeskog.

 

[Ogrezilla]

I really dont think Maatta+Sprong+Kunitz would be a good trade for us. We would give up way too much for Landeskog then imo

I don't think its necessarily too much in a vacuum, but its just stuff I don't want to move. We need a top 4 D and a cheap forward going forward more than we need a high end LW.

 

[Honour Over Glory]

The Avs would value getting Maatta very highly for sure. Their defense is pretty laughable as it is and as much as I'd like to pry Zadorov from them as well if we can get Landeskog and a stop gap to fill the left side it should be fine I think.

If JR were to fleece the Avs and get something like....

Zadorov and Landeskog without giving up more than Maatta, Sprong, a pick and a cap dump, I'd cry tears of joy.

 

[Ogrezilla]

The Avs would value getting Maatta very highly for sure. Their defense is pretty laughable as it is and as much as I'd like to pry Zadorov from them as well if we can get Landeskog and a stop gap to fill the left side it should be fine I think.

If JR were to fleece the Avs and get something like....

Zadorov and Landeskog without giving up more than Maatta, Sprong, a pick and a cap dump, I'd cry tears of joy.

if we can fleece them, then by all means make the trade.

 

[mgd525]

The Avs would value getting Maatta very highly for sure. Their defense is pretty laughable as it is and as much as I'd like to pry Zadorov from them as well if we can get Landeskog and a stop gap to fill the left side it should be fine I think.

If JR were to fleece the Avs and get something like....

Zadorov and Landeskog without giving up more than Maatta, Sprong, a pick and a cap dump, I'd cry tears of joy.

That would make my keyboard sticky....

 

[MayorofWBS]

Stone is a pending UFA, so his price would almost definitely be futures. Pouliot would certainly be an option for them, since they're pretty well set at forward. Stone is probably the best rental available, meaning he'd likely cost a lot to trade for.

They have have OLE, Gogo and Chychrun on the left side now. Right side has Schenn, Stone and Murphy. Stone is going to be traded but they have two very good prospects (Anthony DeAngelo and Kyle Wood) in the AHL that are both right-handed. DeAngelo, 2nd year pro, is already being shuttled between the NHL and the AHL. He's been excellent in his time in the NHL (3 G, 6A in 20GP). The 6-5, 235lb beast that is Kyle Wood is first year pro ripping up the AHL (8 G, 22A in 30GP).

Can't see Pouliot being a better option than Chychrun, DeAngelo and Wood.

 

[Daeni10]

Main board wants Maatta+1st+Rust
I think Landeskog will never give you a return like that. I would argue that Hall had more value and look what they got. Top 4 d man>> top 6 winger, I would be mad if we overpay like that even though I would love him on our team.

 

[Empoleon8771]

They have have OLE, Gogo and Chychrun on the left side now. Right side has Schenn, Stone and Murphy. Stone is going to be traded but they have two very good prospects (Anthony DeAngelo and Kyle Wood) in the AHL that are both right-handed. DeAngelo, 2nd year pro, is already being shuttled between the NHL and the AHL. He's been excellent in his time in the NHL (3 G, 6A in 20GP). The 6-5, 235lb beast that is Kyle Wood is first year pro ripping up the AHL (8 G, 22A in 30GP).

And at forward, they have Domi, Crouse, Perlini and Martinook at LW, Strome, Dvorak and Keller at center and Fischer, Duclair and Merkley at RW. They're basically stacked in young players all throughout their lineup. The only "weak" areas I'd say are at RW and in net, but that's what happens when you draft 11 forwards in the first 2 rounds in the last 5 drafts.

 

[Ogrezilla]

Main board wants Maatta+1st+Rust
I think Landeskog will never give you a return like that. I would argue that Hall had more value and look what they got. Top 4 d man>> top 6 winger, I would be mad if we overpay like that even though I would love him on our team.

Larson is better than Maatta though.

 

[mgd525]

Main board wants Maatta+1st+Rust
I think Landeskog will never give you a return like that. I would argue that Hall had more value and look what they got. Top 4 d man>> top 6 winger, I would be mad if we overpay like that even though I would love him on our team.

Yeah, that's not gonna happen lol.

 

[Ogrezilla]

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[Daeni10]

Larson is better than Maatta though.

Yeah but is he thaaaat much better, like a Sprong or a first better?

 

[Ogrezilla]

Yeah but is he thaaaat much better, like a Sprong or a first better?

he's a good bit better. But no. That said, EDM overpaid to get a top pairing D imo.