2015 NHL Entry Draft Part 2

[MarkovtoSubban]

Meloche is more of what we have in the pipeline, Tommy Novak should be the pick.

"A highly skilled playmaking center with first-rate "hockey sense" and puckhandling ability. Creates energy through being an offensively dominant presence. Plays an up-tempo game that can catch a lot of defencemen off guard; excellent skater. Will need to gain size and strength; otherwise, with his skillset, there is nothing barring him from becoming a prolific scorer at the next level. (Curtis Joe, EP 2014)"

http://www.nhl.com/ice/news.htm?id=741094

http://www.eliteprospects.com/player.php?player=248374

 

[CH4]

Meloche is more of what we have in the pipeline, Tommy Novak should be the pick.

"A highly skilled playmaking center with first-rate "hockey sense" and puckhandling ability. Creates energy through being an offensively dominant presence. Plays an up-tempo game that can catch a lot of defencemen off guard; excellent skater. Will need to gain size and strength; otherwise, with his skillset, there is nothing barring him from becoming a prolific scorer at the next level. (Curtis Joe, EP 2014)"

http://www.nhl.com/ice/news.htm?id=741094

http://www.eliteprospects.com/player.php?player=248374

What?

habs have 2-way RD in the pipeline? That is like our biggest need.

 

[Pompeius Magnus]

Going strictly by needs, a Dman with good offensive upside would be the number one priority in my mind, followed by a C with offensive upside. Of course, if a Svechnikov or a Rantanen miraculously slip to our position you rethink the approach a bit. But all things being equal I'd want them to go in those directions with our first two picks.

 

[DekeLikeYouMeanIt]

Going strictly by needs, a Dman with good offensive upside would be the number one priority in my mind, followed by a C with offensive upside. Of course, if a Svechnikov or a Rantanen miraculously slip to our position you rethink the approach a bit. But all things being equal I'd want them to go in those directions with our first two picks.

Rantanen is this year's Zibanejad. Flying up the rankings as the season goes on.

 

[MarkovtoSubban]

What?

habs have 2-way RD in the pipeline? That is like our biggest need.

Depth for RD

Pateryn
Nygren
Dietz
Thrower
Ellis
Lernout
Didier

Depth for C

De la Rose
Audette

 

[Monctonscout]

Depth for RD

Pateryn
Nygren
Dietz
Thrower
Ellis
Lernout
Didier

Depth for C

De la Rose
Audette

McCarron could also be seen as an option at center.

 

[Intangiblezz]

Depth for RD

Pateryn
Nygren
Dietz
Thrower
Ellis
Lernout
Didier

Depth for C

De la Rose
Audette

Chances of any of those right-handed defenders being more than a 3rd pairing guy or at very best a mediocre #4 is extremely slim.

Pateryn and Nygren are already 24 and soon will no longer be prospects and considered AHL'ers or depth defenders. Didier, Thrower and Lernout are gritty guys that are defense first. They would be solid bottom pairing guys if all goes well. Dietz is the only real two-way guy. Ellis hasn't developed.

None have high potential.

 

[Monctonscout]

Chances of any of those right-handed defenders being more than a 3rd pairing guy or at very best a mediocre #4 is extremely slim.

Pateryn and Nygren are already 24 and soon will no longer be prospects and considered AHL'ers or depth defenders. Didier, Thrower and Lernout are gritty guys that are defense first. They would be solid bottom pairing guys if all goes well. Dietz is the only real two-way guy. Ellis hasn't developed.

None have high potential.

24 is not old for ad-man. A lot of very good d-men only became top 4 guys around 24-25-26.

Nygren has ecent potential, too bad he got hurt, the Habs were going to give him a look a few weeks back.

Lernout, I think saying he will only be a #5-6 is putting the cart way before the horse. He just turned 19, has size, mobility, toughness and a big shot. Nothing I have seen tells me he can't be a #3-4. Thrower also.

 

[MarkovtoSubban]

Chances of any of those right-handed defenders being more than a 3rd pairing guy or at very best a mediocre #4 is extremely slim.

Pateryn and Nygren are already 24 and soon will no longer be prospects and considered AHL'ers or depth defenders. Didier, Thrower and Lernout are gritty guys that are defense first. They would be solid bottom pairing guys if all goes well. Dietz is the only real two-way guy. Ellis hasn't developed.

None have high potential.

Didier is the only guy who hasn't shown offensive upside.

Pateryn, Lernout, Thrower and Dietz are all signed next year, that is a very clogged pipeline.

Looking ahead 2 years from this draft, we need another another Plekanec (Novak)

If there is another Markov in this draft (Provorov) then take him, but no more RD.

 

[Riggins]

It doesn't matter how many mediocre right shot D prospects we have, 90% of them will fade into oblivion and we'll be fortunate to get a good third pairing guy out of all those names (Pateryn, Thrower, Lernout, Dietz, Didier, etc.). If there's a guy with good top 4 potential in the draft I'd love it if we can get him. Like J. Roy... he would be like manna from heaven for our D core. Too bad we won't get a chance to draft him unless we pull off a trade up miracle.

 

[Monctonscout]

It doesn't matter how many mediocre right shot D prospects we have, 90% of them will fade into oblivion and we'll be fortunate to get a good third pairing guy out of all those names (Pateryn, Thrower, Lernout, Dietz, Didier, etc.). If there's a guy with good top 4 potential in the draft I'd love it if we can get him. Like J. Roy... he would be like manna from heaven for our D core. Too bad we won't get a chance to draft him unless we pull off a trade up miracle.

Again, as stated above, you're jumping the gun on this.

I agree we need to draft d-men this year, but don't write off guys like Pateryn Nygren Lernout Dietz Thrower just yet.

 

[Intangiblezz]

24 is not old for ad-man. A lot of very good d-men only became top 4 guys around 24-25-26.

Nygren has ecent potential, too bad he got hurt, the Habs were going to give him a look a few weeks back.

Lernout, I think saying he will only be a #5-6 is putting the cart way before the horse. He just turned 19, has size, mobility, toughness and a big shot. Nothing I have seen tells me he can't be a #3-4. Thrower also.

24 years old with 3 and 0 games in the NHL respectively is starting to become worrisome. Being a bottom pairing guy or #7 I'd be able to say that they can establish themselves by next season but the fact that they never cracked the NHL full-time isn't a good sign. I'm sure that once Gonchar and Weaver are gone, one of those 2 will be the #6/#7 D-man but having them in more than a bottom pairing role would not be a good sign for the team.

On Lernout you're right maybe I was being negative. He's definitely been erasing my doubts this year. He has everything you look for in a D-man but I'm still not expecting too much. I'd be happy with a solid #4 to partner with Beaulieu or another future drafted D-man.

Thrower is inconsistent but I do see a solid tough bottom pairing guy which isn't a bad thing. Teams need that.

Didier, Dietz and Ellis probably have no NHL future but maybe can be a #7 or injury replacement IMO.

If we are going to draft defensemen a lefty with high potential to partner with Subban is a priority but a righty to fill up a great top 4 wouldn't hurt.

 

[Intangiblezz]

Didier is the only guy who hasn't shown offensive upside.

Pateryn, Lernout, Thrower and Dietz are all signed next year, that is a very clogged pipeline.

Looking ahead 2 years from this draft, we need another another Plekanec (Novak)

If there is another Markov in this draft (Provorov) then take him, but no more RD.

I like Novak and if he's there then great pick. Same with Harkins.

But guys like Carlo or Andersson would also be great picks.

 

[Intangiblezz]

It doesn't matter how many mediocre right shot D prospects we have, 90% of them will fade into oblivion and we'll be fortunate to get a good third pairing guy out of all those names (Pateryn, Thrower, Lernout, Dietz, Didier, etc.). If there's a guy with good top 4 potential in the draft I'd love it if we can get him. Like J. Roy... he would be like manna from heaven for our D core. Too bad we won't get a chance to draft him unless we pull off a trade up miracle.

Again, as stated above, you're jumping the gun on this.

I agree we need to draft d-men this year, but don't write off guys like Pateryn Nygren Lernout Dietz Thrower just yet.

If were being realistic who becomes a top 4 D that is on par with the top NHL teams top 4? On a cup contender I'd say realistically:

Brett Lernout: Decent #4, good #5 all-around guy
Dalton Thrower: Tough bottom pairing guy
Greg Pateryn: Two-way injury filler #6/#7
Magnus Nygren: PP specialist #6
Darren Dietz: Injury call-up NHL/AHL
Josiah Didier: Stay at home depth/#7
Morgan Ellis: AHL

 

[Monctonscout]

24 years old with 3 and 0 games in the NHL respectively is starting to become worrisome. Being a bottom pairing guy or #7 I'd be able to say that they can establish themselves by next season but the fact that they never cracked the NHL full-time isn't a good sign. I'm sure that once Gonchar and Weaver are gone, one of those 2 will be the #6/#7 D-man but having them in more than a bottom pairing role would not be a good sign for the team.

On Lernout you're right maybe I was being negative. He's definitely been erasing my doubts this year. He has everything you look for in a D-man but I'm still not expecting too much. I'd be happy with a solid #4 to partner with Beaulieu or another future drafted D-man.

Thrower is inconsistent but I do see a solid tough bottom pairing guy which isn't a bad thing. Teams need that.

Didier, Dietz and Ellis probably have no NHL future but maybe can be a #7 or injury replacement IMO.

If we are going to draft defensemen a lefty with high potential to partner with Subban is a priority but a righty to fill up a great top 4 wouldn't hurt.

Thrower has had some pretty serious injuries that have set him back, hopefully he can stay healthy to finish the year. I think he can be a solid #4-5 in the NHL, poor man's Bieksa.

Dietz looked good in camp and the front office likes him. I see Pateryn and Nygren getting looks in the next 3-4 months and in camp next year. Then in a year it will be Dietz' trurn.

Obviously they can't all stay but I think some will be moved, either as part of a package or for a pick.

 

[Pompeius Magnus]

http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/juniors/top-30-nhl-draft-prospects-january/
Sportsnet's rankings for January. Still a few head scratchers on there, although it's not as bad as some of their earlier rankings. Crouse seams to be cimenting his spot in the top 5 in a lot of lists which I still can't quite agree with even though I really like the kid's potential.

 

[TT1]

barf, Pastrnak is a stud for Boston.. i wanted him so bad last draft =/

 

[Pompeius Magnus]

barf, Pastrnak is a stud for Boston.. i wanted him so bad last draft =/

You and me both brother, though we did end up with a pretty sweet consolation prize I'd say

 

[Fozz]

If were being realistic who becomes a top 4 D that is on par with the top NHL teams top 4? On a cup contender I'd say realistically:

Brett Lernout: Decent #4, good #5 all-around guy
Dalton Thrower: Tough bottom pairing guy
Greg Pateryn: Two-way injury filler #6/#7
Magnus Nygren: PP specialist #6
Darren Dietz: Injury call-up NHL/AHL
Josiah Didier: Stay at home depth/#7
Morgan Ellis: AHL

You can't guess how any of those will keep developing or not to make statements with any degree of certainty.

 

[Intangiblezz]

You can't guess how any of those will keep developing or not to make statements with any degree of certainty.

I'm looking at this rate of development.

 

[TT1]

You and me both brother, though we did end up with a pretty sweet consolation prize I'd say

indeed we did, but the fact that Boston got him makes it 100x more painful tho

 

[SquiddFX]

indeed we did, but the fact that Boston got him makes it 100x more painful tho

Give it a few years and they'll trade him for a caveman.

 

[TT1]

Give it a few years and they'll trade him for a caveman.

 

[SquiddFX]

I always thought Horton looked like a caveman. Looch is just an oaf.

 

[Monctonscout]

barf, Pastrnak is a stud for Boston.. i wanted him so bad last draft =/

Reminds me of a young David Perron.