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I seriously doubt the Sens will play with the lineup unless they fall out of the playoff hunt.
If the team falls off the pace, I believe Murray will take the opportunity to see more of the young guys Prince, Robinson, etc.
IMO Smith, MacArthur, Neil and Phillips are done for the year.
There is really no point inserting guys into the lineup that haven't played in weeks and think somehow they will perform better than the guys that got them where they are.
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IMO it is really simple why Andy.
Should the Sens' brain trust believe Hammond is the real deal and are willing to offer him a one way contract, then there is no need for Andy at $4.7M as a backup.
Lehner is 23 year old with potential costing $2M, perfect for a back up role for another year or two.
IMO the only reason anyone would want to sign Hammond to a one-way deal, yet keep Anderson and trade Lehner, is because they aren't convinced Hammond is as good as his 12 game run and want to hedge their bets.
This thinking may work on HFB but not in real life with real money involved.
Should Hammond continue to play like he has until season's end, then BM and company are faced with an extremely difficult decision.
Re your view of what the Sens' must do in the off-season, I'm not sure it as clear cut as you seem to think.
Whenever the path forward seems unclear, refer to what the owner has said is his strategic direction.
Melnyk has been clear, draft well, then spend on development to enable continuous long term success.
So with what looks like too many bodies, the draft and develop mantra clearly indicates the players at risk of trade aren't likely the youth.
Of course for every rule there is an exception, for example Chaisson might be expendable if Robinson is ready, but in general this team will favour youth over regressing veterans.
I fully expect BM to do whatever is necessary to move the redundant pieces and add another player or two from Bingo.
As for Legwand, Phillips and Neil, they won't be trade deadline moves, something will happen long before then IMO.
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He had a great start to the season. Then I'd be willing to bet a lot he was playing through an injury. I remember seeing him slowing down and a bunch of times seeing him getting knocked down and struggling to get up.
Let's not have short term memory here, Mac has been great for the Sens, lets not ship him out after a few months of poor play. A healthy Mac could REALLY help this line up
Yep. Also, this reasoning will prevail with 99% probability and Anderson is not going anywhere this offseason.
Basically there are 3 realistic possibilities: sign & trade Hammond, sign Hammond and trade Lehner, just let Hammond walk.
The latter is the only one I'd be upset about. Former two are both wins, especially if trade is out of conference.
Hammond is small sample size, and Lehner hasn't done anything this year to prove he can be a starter. You just don't trade your only proven starter leaving two huge question marks in goal.
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Would like to see these players dealt:
Lehner
Cowen (for good return of better D)
Chiasson RFA
Legwand
Smith
Greening (bought out)
Gryba
Resign Condra, Hammond
Sign Zibanejad, Ryan, Hoffman aslong term as we can. Add 2 or 3 years to Pageau's contract after July 1st.
Hoffman Zibanejad Ryan
MacArthur Turris Stone
Michalek Pageau xxxxx
Puempel Lazar Condra
Prince Robinson Neil
Methot Karlsson
Xxxxx Ceci
Wiercioch Xxxxx
Boro - Phillips
Need a top 9 winger in trade, a top 4 D in trade/UFA. Better bottom pairing RD UFA/trade.
We need to really move depth off our roster, add at least one quality D. Hope to have 3 scoring lines and a sick Pageau/Condra checking line.
Lehner
Cowen (for good return of better D)
Chiasson RFA
Legwand
Smith
Greening (bought out)
Gryba
Resign Condra, Hammond
Sign Zibanejad, Ryan, Hoffman aslong term as we can. Add 2 or 3 years to Pageau's contract after July 1st.
Hoffman Zibanejad Ryan
MacArthur Turris Stone
Michalek Pageau xxxxx
Puempel Lazar Condra
Prince Robinson Neil
Methot Karlsson
Xxxxx Ceci
Wiercioch Xxxxx
Boro - Phillips
Need a top 9 winger in trade, a top 4 D in trade/UFA. Better bottom pairing RD UFA/trade.
We need to really move depth off our roster, add at least one quality D. Hope to have 3 scoring lines and a sick Pageau/Condra checking line.
Hoffman Zibanejad Ryan
Michalek Turris Stone
MacArthur Pageau Lazar
Puempel Smith Condra
Neil Robinson
Methot Karlsson
Weircioch Ceci
Borowiecki Gryba
Phillips
Smith is kept over the summer. His trade value is too low, yet he makes under 2 million for two more seasons, and is a capable swiss army knife at the 4C position. If he's traded, it's at next years deadline at the earliest to increase the return.
I keep Gryba as well. 1.3 million for the tools he brings is a bargain, and his value would be higher as a rental at the deadline should we choose to move him then. If not, he's a solid right side stay at home PKer for us into the future.
Cowen is dealt no questions asked, alongside Legwand, Chiasson, Prince, and whichever netminder cashes us in a better return. Phillips and Neil rotate in and out of the pressbox and get shipped out for a chance at the cup at the deadline.
Edit: The above trades ideally return futures. Any defensive help comes via free agency, while our forward corps is pretty set.
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Hoff-Zib-Ryan
X-Turris-Stone
Mac-Smith-Milo
Condra-JGP-Lazar
Robinson
Meth-Karlsson
Wier-Ceci
Boro-Gryba
Wideman
Out (or minors): Cowen, Phillips, Neil, Greening, Legwand
Hopefully #2LW can be found during the summer, If not Milo/Mac can alternate.
X-Turris-Stone
Mac-Smith-Milo
Condra-JGP-Lazar
Robinson
Meth-Karlsson
Wier-Ceci
Boro-Gryba
Wideman
Out (or minors): Cowen, Phillips, Neil, Greening, Legwand
Hopefully #2LW can be found during the summer, If not Milo/Mac can alternate.
My hopes and dreams
Hoffman 4 million/5 years
Stone 3 million/ 2 years
Zibenejad 2.5 million/ 2 years
Condra 2 million/ 3 years
Hammond I have no idea
Get rid of Greening, Cowen and Legwand at all costs.
Hoffman 4 million/5 years
Stone 3 million/ 2 years
Zibenejad 2.5 million/ 2 years
Condra 2 million/ 3 years
Hammond I have no idea
Get rid of Greening, Cowen and Legwand at all costs.
So based on another small sample size, keep Wiercoich and trade Cowen.
FOTM seems to be the order of the day on this board.
Small sample size? Cowen has been awful for quite some time now (2 seasons)
People who want to get rid of/dump Cowen should not be trusted, especially in favor of a player like Wiercioch, who is closer to the flavor of the week than the flavor of the month.
Incorrect.
He was awful last season coming off of a major injury
This season he has played fine. He was playing very well in a top 4 role with Ceci for awhile, he's just inconsistent.
People see what they want to see with Cowen.
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Yup, some people see what they want to see, and still see a 9th overall pick...
I don't think he's been awful, hes just a bottom pairing Dman with too high of a cap hit. We have Boro for that
Ya, wait until next season to get a better judge of who to keep. The team in general will move on from their current vets and everyone will be in their core.
I get very excited thinking about tho team in 2 years
Disagree on Cowen, he played quite well after his early seasons struggles and the only reason he came out of the lineup was a suspension.
Fact is for most of the year many on this board were calling for Weircoich to be traded, now he is the "perfect" 4th D on the team?
This is FOTM IMO.
While PW has played well of late, so has the whole team, but the fact is his weaknesses remain (slow & lacking strength).
I don't see Cowen or Weircioch as part of the future. I don't see how a team can win a cup with these guys in your top 4 with the way they've played over the past 2 seasons
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Phillips can go.
Wideman plays on the right side, so unless you are talking about the a spot on the roster then that argument is moot.
Claesson deserves a look, but not at the expense of either Cowen nor Wier. Like I already mentioned, Phillips is the one that should be going.
Wikstrand don't think will be in the conversation until mid season next year or ever. It all depends on how he acclimates to the NA game.
People were saying the same things about Hoffman a year ago.
Got lots of these
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) when I suggested Hoffman was a better player than Conacher during the 2013-14 training camp.There isn't a single timeline for player development, specially when a young player misses time through injury.
Cowen needs time, the Sens will likely show patience with him, unless one of the younger guys passes him which isn't likely in the near term.
Patience runs out when guys are almost out of their RFA years and have a 3.1 mill cap hit making 4.5 mill in real salary.People were saying the same things about Hoffman a year ago.
Got lots of these
There isn't a single timeline for player development, specially when a young player misses time through injury.
Cowen needs time, the Sens will likely show patience with him, unless one of the younger guys passes him which isn't likely in the near term.
I'd give PW and Cowen 1 more year before making a tough decision on what to do with these guys and whether they will be part of the core
