Speculation: 2015-2016 New York Rangers :: Roster Building Part I

[Raspewtin]

Sure you can. It's called having an opinion. Do you, as an opinion, think there's a team that if they had G, would trade him for Wis. Do you actually think there's an organization that would? Cause no way in hell the Rangers would. So something must be really wrong with their decision making personnel I guess right? So which team would get it right and make this oh so obvious pull the trigger trade?

And no, no way I could know for certain... But I'd still bet my life savings that if you polled every single GM in the league, not one would admit to wanting that trade...

I think so, yes.

I've seen Girardi on some "Worst contracts" lists. Even if you think he's a good player, his contract can very easily turn terrible in the next few years, and you better bet NHL execs have that in their minds.

 

[Rick Nash 61]

I think so, yes.

I've seen Girardi on some "Worst contracts" lists. Even if you think he's a good player, his contract can very easily turn terrible in the next few years, and you better bet NHL execs have that in their minds.

Would you trade him after this season and have our 3 right shot defenseman as Wiz, Boyle, and Klein? Any one if them getting top minutes with Mac is asking a disaster waiting to happen. And only one of them can effectively kill penalties.

 

[Raspewtin]

Would you trade him after this season and have our 3 right shot defenseman as Wiz, Boyle, and Klein? Any one if them getting top minutes with Mac is asking a disaster waiting to happen. And only one of them can effectively kill penalties.

I would play Wisniewski with McDonagh, but that's me.

Wisniewski has PK'ed most of his career and is good at it.

 

[IAMREALITY]

I think so, yes.

I've seen Girardi on some "Worst contracts" lists. Even if you think he's a good player, his contract can very easily turn terrible in the next few years, and you better bet NHL execs have that in their minds.

I thought we were talking about skill here; not contracts. What about based on capabilities alone? (or do you believe G is in fact better, if it weren't for his contract?)

 

[haohmaru]

Wiz is a servicable 3/4. He's not a 1/2.

 

[Rick Nash 61]

I would play Wisniewski with McDonagh, but that's me.

Wisniewski has PK'ed most of his career and is good at it.

Oh I didn't know that he killed penalties I though he was just a PP specialist. Still don't know if I like him on the top pairing though. The Ducks did have interest in Girardi last year though so a way it can happen that I'd be ok with is if we traded Girardi for Wiz and also trade Boyle or Klein for a forward or prospect to give us space to sign Petry. This defense I am ok with

McDonagh-Petry
Staal-Wiz
Yandle-Klein

Or G for Vatanen I'd be all over that

Either way none of this will happen lol I am just expanding on your idea.

 

[Raspewtin]

I thought we were talking about skill here; not contracts. What about based on capabilities alone? (or do you believe G is in fact better, if it weren't for his contract?)

I hate Girardi's contract and role a LOT more than his skills.

I think he'd be very valuable in a bottom pair role where he can play to his strengths. I also think he's a great PK'er.

Based on capabilities alone, I still lean towards Wisniewski.

Wiz is a servicable 3/4. He's not a 1/2.

Based on..........?

 

[haohmaru]

Based on..........?

His career? He's played on 5 different teams in the last 8 years. Give me another 1D in the league with a stat sheet like that.

 

[eco's bones]

His injury history is also a very good point. I forgot he's played a full season like twice in his career.

Wasn't the last time Wis was suspended for the Sean Avery thing either way? Does that really count?

I don't like the premise that Wisniewski isn't good defensively. He tends to cheat a little and get over aggressive on his man, which is something noticeable and something people remember. But I think that could work in the kind of system we have. He plays a hard game with very good skating ability, where there's a heavy emphasis on defensive structure.

Wis has also played on consistently bad defensive teams (hell, bad teams in general), and some teams with laughably poor defensive structure. Whether you think he's a large contributor to that or not, it certainly hurts perception of his game, whether it's just or not.

And for all of Wisniewski's supposed defensive struggles, he's only had 4 team seasons out of his 13 where he had a positive dCAimpact (you want a negative rating here). Meaning, he's only had 4 seasons where he had a negative possession impact in terms of Corsi Against.

on his suspension history--he was suspended one game in 2008 for crosschecking mikael samuelsson (Det) in the face. his second time was in 2009 for a high hit elbow to shane doan (i checked out the video on that but don't know if doan was injured or not though he was really wobbly afterwards) and curiously he'd already had a fight with doan in that game and after the hit another fight with keith yandle (of all people). he got two games for that hit. a year later in 2010 he was suspended twice--the first time it was 8 games for a high headshot that slammed brent seabrook's head into the glass which temporarily knocked seabrook out. suspension no. 4 was the taunt on sean avery. i watched brendan shanahan's suspension video for his fifth suspension in 2011--a head shot to cal clutterbuck then playing for the wild. that came after the final whistle to end the game. shanahan mentioning that wisniewski's previous history factored into that particular suspension's length.

so 4 suspensions for targeting the head in one way or the other and one for taunting--or what amounted to the league feeling embarrassed about the behavior of one of its employees.

occasionally a discussion comes up here about defenseman who don't have much reach. pre-2005 it wasn't a big deal because a d-man could clutch and grab a lot. rangers fans still ***** now and again about the norstrom trade because for a decade he was a very solid d-man for the kings. norstrom had very short arms (i know--because i use to own one of his game worn rangers jerseys and he was an inch taller than myself but the sleeve of the jersey only went half way down my forearm). back then shorter armed d-men were not that much of a liability. these days they can be. it's like the ovechkin shot through boyle in the first game of the series. boyle backs off because he doesn't want ovie to burst past him but there goes his gap control and ovie has tons of space to shoot it right through him whereas girardi with the longer reach can get his stick in the way with that reach....think about it this way---two boxers--same weight class, same power, equal technical ability--one has a major reach advantage--it's physics and it's a reason why girardi is always going to play a guy like ovechkin better than boyle or wisniewski.

fwiw i like wisniewski--i'd like him on our team more than boyle for a bunch of different reasons. 1. he's quite a bit younger 2. boyle has a good shot but wisniewski's has a cannon and i think we would get more offense out of him than boyle. 3. he is a strong mf'er 4. he has a nasty physical edge to his game--which at times though can work against his team--bad penalties and the suspension thing. he's a bit of a loose cannon when he gets angry. for his size he fights well by the way.

the tsn profile though if not 100% accurate--is pretty close. he's not great positionally--has discipline issues. of the suspensions the doan hit pretty much comes after a hard fall on his part after their fight earlier in the game.

 

[silverfish]

All this Girardi talk breaks my heart

 

[Pavel Buchnevich]

Is anyone really surprised by any of this? A few posters on here have outlier opinions on Girardi. Why even discuss him with them? You know what the discussion is going to turn into.

 

[Pavel Buchnevich]

I think getting rid of Yandle in the offseason is important. I don't want to get nothing for him when his contract is up after the 15-16 season and I certainly am not giving him anything close to 8M, which is what he'll probably be asking for.

Bern, can you find us one your creative trades that includes shipping off Yandle?

 

[silverfish]

I think getting rid of Yandle in the offseason is important. I don't want to get nothing for him when his contract is up after the 15-16 season and I certainly am not giving him anything close to 8M, which is what he'll probably be asking for.

Bern, can you find us one your creative trades that includes shipping off Yandle?

Don't think you need to get too creative to trade Yandle with 1 yr at a $2.6m cap hit. Every team in the NHL would line up for that.

Personally, I don't think we should touch the defense in the off-season. Getting Yandle a full off-season of training with the guys, and he'll light it up next season for us.

Easily one of the best top 6s in the league.

 

[Cassano]

His career? He's played on 5 different teams in the last 8 years. Give me another 1D in the league with a stat sheet like that.

Anton Stralman. Moved from Toronto to Calgary to Columbus to New Jersey to NYR and now in Tampa.

 

[Matz03]

I think getting rid of Yandle in the offseason is important. I don't want to get nothing for him when his contract is up after the 15-16 season and I certainly am not giving him anything close to 8M, which is what he'll probably be asking for.

There will be plenty of time to figure out how much he wants, how well he adjust to AV's system, etc to determine if he's a long term fit or not.

Don't think you need to get too creative to trade Yandle with 1 yr at a $2.6m cap hit. Every team in the NHL would line up for that.

Personally, I don't think we should touch the defense in the off-season. Getting Yandle a full off-season of training with the guys, and he'll light it up next season for us.

Easily one of the best top 6s in the league.

really? I would think you do everything possible to move Boyle. It's not just his poor play, clearing his cap hit will desperately be needed to sign our RFA's. Having Yandle and Bolye makes them redundant especially since you're force Boyle back into top 4 with Staal. The best way to avoid Boyle and Yandle out there together is to not have them on the same team.

 

[Mikos87]

Anton Stralman. Moved from Toronto to Calgary to Columbus to New Jersey to NYR and now in Tampa.

Victor Hedman says hello. I think very highly of Stralman, but he's not a no 1 guy. Top pair down there yes, and a damn good one, but Hedman's their top guy.

 

[CupWanted]

Sabres fan here. I'd love them to acquire Cam Talbot if you guys would be willing to trade him (and from reading a couple pages of this it sounds like most would. What's the likely asking price? Would 31st overall get it done? 51st and a B level prospect and a goalie prospect? (That's roughly the comp to the Bernier trade)

Buffalo can also take back a cap dump for a year or two. No three year plus dumps though.

 

[Cassano]

Victor Hedman says hello. I think very highly of Stralman, but he's not a no 1 guy. Top pair down there yes, and a damn good one, but Hedman's their top guy.

Tampa has the luxury of having 2 #1 dmen on their team IMO. When Hedman was injured, Stralman and the team played really well.

 

[The Gloaming]

Sabres fan here. I'd love them to acquire Cam Talbot if you guys would be willing to trade him (and from reading a couple pages of this it sounds like most would. What's the likely asking price? Would 31st overall get it done? 51st and a B level prospect and a goalie prospect? (That's roughly the comp to the Bernier trade)

Buffalo can also take back a cap dump for a year or two. No three year plus dumps though.

I would throw a parade if we got the 31st overall.

 

[Ail]

I think getting rid of Yandle in the offseason is important. I don't want to get nothing for him when his contract is up after the 15-16 season and I certainly am not giving him anything close to 8M, which is what he'll probably be asking for.

Bern, can you find us one your creative trades that includes shipping off Yandle?

Lmfao trade one of the best contracts on the team because of a bad playoffs. I am sure you'd love to trade Nash as well.

Your golden boy Girardi though, they should have given him another 2 mil and 3 years, right?

Also, you have no right to talk about outlier opinions on Girardi because while some of us may not adore him as much as the rest of the fan base, you're a bigger Girardi homer than I am a Nash homer, and that's a lot.

 

[Filthy Dangles]

Anton Stralman. Moved from Toronto to Calgary to Columbus to New Jersey to NYR and now in Tampa.

I'd say Stralman is definitely an anomaly in terms of development/transformation as a player. How many undrafted offensive guys really blossom into solid top-pairing guys?

Funny he's being mentioned here now.

Stralman > Girardi >> Wisniewski

 

[Ail]

FWIW, I'm bearish on the WiZ. I like his game but his injury history is not impressive and I don't know if he fits here.

 

[BarbaraAlphanse]

If anyone on the defense is traded, it will be Klein.

You don't trade those type of guys, because their salaries are such great bargains, but he is the most expendable and he is the most movable.

McDonagh is the captain that will not be moved.
Girardi, Boyle, and Staal have NMC's so those are impossibilities that many on here tend to disregard for no reason whatsoever. What are those NMC's? Chopped liver?
Yandle was just acquired for a 1st and our best prospect.

Voila. You get your most expendable defenseman. The guy signed to (probably) the best bargain contract on the team. Kevin Klein.

Hurts, but that's the reality of the situation. That's what Sather gets for giving Dan Boyle that 2nd year.

 

[silverfish]

There will be plenty of time to figure out how much he wants, how well he adjust to AV's system, etc to determine if he's a long term fit or not.


really? I would think you do everything possible to move Boyle. It's not just his poor play, clearing his cap hit will desperately be needed to sign our RFA's. Having Yandle and Bolye makes them redundant especially since you're force Boyle back into top 4 with Staal. The best way to avoid Boyle and Yandle out there together is to not have them on the same team.

You're Sather. What's your pitch to getting Boyle to waive his FULL NMC?

Sabres fan here. I'd love them to acquire Cam Talbot if you guys would be willing to trade him (and from reading a couple pages of this it sounds like most would. What's the likely asking price? Would 31st overall get it done? 51st and a B level prospect and a goalie prospect? (That's roughly the comp to the Bernier trade)

Buffalo can also take back a cap dump for a year or two. No three year plus dumps though.

I think Talbot+Hagelin is a package Buffalo would seriously consider adding at the draft, and one I've pumped a bit here. It'd be ****ing awful to lose Hagelin, but I think Fast may be able to handle his 'duties' next year.

I'd think long and hard about...

Talbot + Hagelin

For

Buffalo's 2nd rounder, Grigorenko, McCabe.

I'm probably in the minority on that here. I think the absolute world of McCabe. Think he has McDonagh potential.

 

[BarbaraAlphanse]

I would throw a parade if we got the 31st overall.

I'd be very disappointed with that trade.

Very.

Schneider got the 9th overall pick. Sather is excellent with trades. Schneider and Talbot are VERY comparable. Schneider had an extra year of being a back up. And Luongo was ******** the bed so he got some very limited playoff experience. Those are the only two things that set these two apart. Their numbers and their level of play are very similar. Their trade value should be very similar as well.

Anything valued below 9th and i'm disappointed.