2014-15 Training Camp Discussion PT.2

[Cole Caulifield]

The Habs ARE in big trouble offensively........unless we get better production from our wings.

The arguments constantly revert back to DD. And he is the least of our worries.

We only had 3 wingers with more than 15 goals and one of them is now gone.

Hopefully Parenteau has a healthy season and is able to pot goals. And hopefully Galchenyuk will come into his own and become the goal scorer that he is destined to be.

The Habs paid a premium to PK Subban to get him signed long term. We still need an impact winger and this season will reveal a lot.

Haha this has nothing to do with the rest of your post. Jesus.

 

[Cole Caulifield]

Moen is appreciate by his teammates. He's a leader in the room.
Gorges and Gionta said recently that he could be a good captain for the Habs...
But the main problem with Moen is that we are stuck with his contract. That's it, that's all.

Hehe, Gorges and Gionta.. never cease to amaze me..This is why you see this trend where teams don't want to let the players pick their captain anymore..

Moen is barely a NHL player now, and he would make a good captain ? Personally, I'd at least want my captain not to be a bubble player that could be a candidate for being healthy scratched, traded or even buried in the minors at any moment. I can't speak for his character, leadership and maturity but you just can't give a bubble player the C.

 

[Nedved]

fucale! fucale!! fucale!!!

the legend continues

 

[Runner77]

Power isn't everything but this type of stuff still garners attention:

Nygren table sur un puissant tir pour générer de l'attaque. Lors d'un tournoi amical qui a confronté Färjestad aux Étoiles de la Ligue américaine, l'an dernier, Nygren a décoché 3 tirs de plus de 100 milles à l'heure, le dernier atteignant 104,6 mi/h.

I don't know if in an NHL setting, he might be able to unload with the same type of abandon. Beyond its brute output, anyone know how accurate his shot is? How quickly does he set up and how adept is he at creating time and space to fully take advantage of it?

 

[Wats]

Power isn't everything but this type of stuff still garners attention:



I don't know if in an NHL setting, he might be able to unload with the same type of abandon. Beyond its brute output, anyone know how accurate his shot is? How quickly does he set up and how creatively adept is he at creating time and space to fully take advantage of it?

 

[Hoople]

Again, saying stuffs like this is like provoking us to talk about DD. How is having a the first offensive center playing at an average of 50pts a season in the past 2 years not worrisome?

I get that you like him but what you claim is simply not true. It's not normal the center that plays with a 39 goals scorer only manages to get 50 pts a season. That's the production of a center in Nashville or any low scoring team. If we want to be a cup contender team, our player centering the first line/best wingers has to have a production way higher than that. How can you even deny that.

DD had a weak production last year, regular season AND playoffs. He did have a pretty good last 60 games though but he forgot to play the first 25% of the season and wasn't effective in the playoffs like a first center should have, even if he compete hard but it was overwhelming for him. He had UPS but let's not pretend he doesn't have any lows and say he's the least of our worries.

I read Part 1 of the Training Camp thread. There were some obvious begrudging comments that appeared to be painful when talking about a good play he made. And I did not post anything about him in that thread.

As far as "liking" DD, that does not compute. He is too small just like Gallagher is too small, just the same as Thomas, Andirghetto, Reway, Weaver etc. I prefer a roster like the Kings have. Built with size. So throw away the notion that I "like" DD.

I did not see the scrimmage but the comments were that Galchenyuk did not overly impress at center. That leaves us right where we were last season. Pleks is the best two-way center. DD is the best offensive center. And then there is Eller and Malhotra.

That is not liking a player. That is recognizing the reality the Habs will face this season. Hopefully Sekac and Parenteau will bring offense for the Habs since Bourque will be Bourque, Gionta is gone and Chucky still has a way to go.

No emotional attachment for DD or any other Habs player for me. I simply want all of them to succeed in the roles they earn or are given.

 

[Runner77]

Thanks for that. Wicked drive, although he did have lots of time to set up on that sequence, aptly described by Pierre Houde.

Houde"s pronunciation of his name, "Magnussss Nigraine", is one of those things you just want to get out of your mind.

 

[Hoople]

Haha this has nothing to do with the rest of your post. Jesus.

We need another scoring forward added to this team.

The salary cap does not exist in a vacuum. Contracts signed by players do have impact on the team.

 

[Habs Icing]

What players are you looking forward to seeing dressed against Bos.

All of them. And I'm not just looking forward to it. I expect all of them to be dressed. It's not like the Habs are the women national team. Now some of those players I'd like to see not dressed.

 

[Runner77]

Desharnais Art Ross

Pronounced atroce.

 

[Rapala]

All of them. And I'm not just looking forward to it. I expect all of them to be dressed. It's not like the Habs are the women national team. Now some of those players I'd like to see not dressed.

It's gonna be a loooong year.

 

[Runner77]

Ditto
The player was basically gifted to us.

Cap space is an asset, especially with so many teams against it.

That 2nd year of Parenteau's contract, may turn this into more of a burnt offering than a gift. We would have been free of Brière's contract next year. Roy is no fool, even if he could be wrong just like everyone else.

Could it be the "gift" Roy made to us, was first passed around the league several times (as it had been rumored) and we only inherited it because ... well, let's face it, we now have a tradition of a player who has never been a Hab before having to hoist that embarassing torch on the first home game.

 

[WeThreeKings]

Galchenyuk impressed me at center. He displayed good vision and positioning in the offensive zone. His hands were a big plus at entering the zone and making passes in traffic.

Kids gonna be great there, just needs the reps at this point.

 

[Rapala]

Cap space is an asset, especially with so many teams against it.

That 2nd year of Parenteau's contract, may turn this into more of a burnt offering than a gift. We would have been free of Brière's contract next year. Roy is no fool, even if he could be wrong just like everyone else.

Could it be the "gift" Roy made to us, was first passed around the league several times (as it had been rumored) and we only inherited it because ... well, let's face it, we now have a tradition of a player who has never been a Hab before having to hoist that embarassing torch on the first home game.

I guess we can all take solace in the fact that once upon a time you couldn't get anything done with out a decent burnt offering...

 

[Frank JT]

Goes back to my initial point. I'M not going to keep a guy who, from your own admission, might not be able to play in the NHL anymore...no matter the contract he has. Send him to waivers....try to accomodate him etc. Frankly, I would not even go to that extent. He could play in this league. There's 30 teams. There are a few Moen's in there who are fine defensively and can bring some physical play. 1,8 is surely too much for a type of player you can find at 800k$. Yet, quite a few teams have tons of room. And they might need a vet on their team.

Sorry. I get your point a little late. I agree.

 

[Runner77]

I guess we can all take solace in the fact that once upon a time you couldn't get anything done with out a decent burnt offering...

Sam Pollock made a career out of them -- except that he somehow always managed to sell them off in a trade and not the other way around.

 

[Frank JT]

Hehe, Gorges and Gionta.. never cease to amaze me..This is why you see this trend where teams don't want to let the players pick their captain anymore..

Moen is barely a NHL player now, and he would make a good captain ? Personally, I'd at least want my captain not to be a bubble player that could be a candidate for being healthy scratched, traded or even buried in the minors at any moment. I can't speak for his character, leadership and maturity but you just can't give a bubble player the C.

I agree. That's probably one of the reason why he is not captain or even a assistant.
He's probably not in the plans for long...

 

[Rapala]

Galchenyuk impressed me at center. He displayed good vision and positioning in the offensive zone. His hands were a big plus at entering the zone and making passes in traffic.

Kids gonna be great there, just needs the reps at this point.

Getting him meaningful reps will be a challenge with this coach.
I bet he is ticketed to start on Plecky's left with either Sekac or Gallagher.
Personally i would prefer Sekac only because I'd like to see Brendan matched with a couple of bigger bodies. A little more skill and a little less grit may help him long term.

The good news is Chucky can take away a lot from Plecky in terms of positioning/instinct/hockey sense.

 

[Tyson]

I can see a player like Moen not on the opening night roster. Don't get me wrong I like him, I simply think he is damaged goods and can be replaced. The only concern is losing the leadership he brings.

 

[Rapala]

I can see a player like Moen not on the opening night roster. Don't get me wrong I like him, I simply think he is damaged goods and can be replaced. The only concern is losing the leadership he brings.

If you think about it he is one of the only forwards we have left who truly knows how to give and take a heavy check. Prust usually dislocates something and Weise often seems unbalanced. We can't use the term heavy with any of the others. The fact that he has absolutely zero left in the fisticuffs department may be his death knoll with this club.

 

[Tyson]

If you think about it he is one of the only forwards we have left who truly knows how to give and take a heavy check. Prust usually dislocates something and Weise often seems unbalanced. We can't use the term heavy with any of the others. The fact that he has absolutely zero left in the fisticuffs department may be his death knoll with this club.

Letting an insurance policy like Ryan White go could prove costly

 

[calder candidate]

If you think about it he is one of the only forwards we have left who truly knows how to give and take a heavy check. Prust usually dislocates something and Weise often seems unbalanced. We can't use the term heavy with any of the others. The fact that he has absolutely zero left in the fisticuffs department may be his death knoll with this club.

Moen can take a heavy hit but he doesn't dish them out anymore...

 

[Rapala]

Moen can take a heavy hit but he doesn't dish them out anymore...

Ask Iggy how he felt after game 6 Bell Center...

 

[Rapala]

Letting an insurance policy like Ryan White go could prove costly

Never really got in MT's good graces...
The coach never let him forget a couple of stupid penalties like three years ago typical MT.
That's what Tinordi is up against the RyJo give away last year.

 

[habfaninvictoria]

The Habs ARE in big trouble offensively........unless we get better production from our wings.

The arguments constantly revert back to DD. And he is the least of our worries.

We only had 3 wingers with more than 15 goals and one of them is now gone.

Hopefully Parenteau has a healthy season and is able to pot goals. And hopefully Galchenyuk will come into his own and become the goal scorer that he is destined to be.

The Habs paid a premium to PK Subban to get him signed long term. We still need an impact winger and this season will reveal a lot.

Yes captain obvious we need more output from the wings. We also need to put people in their proper roles.

The arguments constantly go back to DD because we do need wingers more output from the wings but he creates a block at centre. He can only be used in one role which limits what we can do with the rest of the lines. He can't be used in a checking role, or a physical one. Apparently he cannot play wing. Therefore he holds a tight grasp on the one line that he shouldn't be on and limits any flexibility in the lineup. 1st line centres should not only be effective when their coach can get them the right matchups. Plex and Eller can play dual roles with both being excellent 2 way centremen. Malhotra is a faceoff specialist and can play a physical game. Galchenyuk is best suited, but will not be given the chance to play centre so long a DD is there. Galchenyuk will take up a wing position that would be better suited to someone like Bournival or Sekac. With DD

Patches DD Gally
Galch Plex Parenteau
Bourque Eller Weisse
Moen Malhotra Prust
Sekac Bournival

Not a bad lineup, but each too many concessions have to be made to keep that one guy where he is. Patches, Parenteau Gally and even Bourque could be put on the first line but not with DD there, so it limits the line juggling options.

Without

Patches Galch Parenteau
Bournival Plex Gally
Bourque Eller Weisse
Moen Malhotra Prust
Sekac

It's a much more balanced lineup without him there, you could mix and match the top 9 without worrying about size and speed mismatches.