Salary Cap: 2014-15 Roster Building Thread - Part VIII

[Big McLargehuge]

Copying the first post from OilerPensfan's Part VII. Nothing in this post is from me, but the other thread was closed and the info here deserves re-posting.

All figures are cap numbers, not salaries, and are taken directly from www.capgeek.com.

Projected 2014-2015 salary ceiling: ...~71,100,000
Projected cap spending: .....................55,119,167
Projected cap space: ........................~15,980,833



PITTSBURGH PENGUINS

Forward.................​

|

Pos.​

|

Age​

|

2013-14​

|

2014-15​

|

2015-16​

Evgeni Malkin|

C​

|

27​

|

9,500,000​

|

9,500,000​

|

9,500,000​

Sidney Crosby|

C​

|

26​

|

8,700,000​

|

8,700,000​

|

8,700,000​

James Neal|

RW​

|

26​

|

5,000,000​

|

5,000,000​

|

5,000,000​

Chris Kunitz|

LW​

|

34​

|

3,850,000​

|

3,850,000​

|

3,850,000​

Pascal Dupuis|

RW​

|

34​

|

3,750,000​

|

3,750,000​

|

3,750,000​

Beau Bennett|

LW​

|

21​

|

900,000​

|

RFA​

Craig Adams|

RW​

|

36​

|

700,000​

|

UFA​

Defense.................​

|

Pos.​

|

Age​

|

2013-14​

|

2014-15​

|

.2015-16​

Kris Letang|

D​

|

26​

|

7,250,000​

|

7,250,000​

|

7,250,000​

Paul Martin|

D​

|

32​

|

5,000,000​

|

UFA​

Rob Scuderi|

D​

|

34​

|

3,375,000​

|

3,375,000​

|

3,375,000​

Olli Maatta|

D​

|

19​

|

894,167​

|

894,167​

|

RFA​

Robert Bortuzzo|

D​

|

24​

|

600,000​

|

RFA​

Goalie...................​

|

Pos.​

|

Age​

|

2013-14​

|

2014-15​

|

.2015-16​

Marc-Andre Fleury|

G​

|

28​

|

5,000,000​

|

UFA​

Jeff Zatkoff|

G​

|

26​

|

600,000​

|

600,000​

|

UFA​

WILKES-BARRE/SCRANTON PENGUINS

Forward...............​

|

Pos.​

|

Age​

|

2013-14​

|

2014-15​

|

2015-16​

Oskar Sundqvist|

C​

|

20​

|

708,333​

|

708,333​

|

708,333​

Josh Archibald|

RW​

|

21​

|

659,167​

|

659,167​

|

659,167​

Scott Wilson|

LW​

|

21​

|

655,000​

|

655,000​

|

RFA​

Bryan Rust|

RW​

|

22​

|

652,500​

|

652,500​

|

RFA​

Adam Payerl|

RW​

|

22​

|

626,667​

|

RFA​

Anton Zlobin|

LW​

|

20​

|

608,333​

|

608,333​

|

RFA​

Matia Marcantuoni|

C​

|

19​

|

608,333​

|

608,333​

|

608,333​

Dominik Uher|

C​

|

20​

|

601,667​

|

RFA​

Tom Kuhnhackl|

LW​

|

21​

|

598,333​

|

RFA​

Jean-Sebastien Dea|

C​

|

19​

|

598,333​

|

598,333​

|

598,333​

|

RFA​

Andrew Ebbett|

C​

|

30​

|

550,000​

|

UFA​

Pierre-Luc Letourneau-Leblond|

RW​

|

28​

|

550,000​

|

UFA​

Defense.............................​

|

Pos.​

|

Age​

|

2013-14​

|

2014-15​

|

2015-16​

Derrick Pouliot|

D​

|

19​

|

863,333​

|

863,333​

|

863,333​

Brian Dumoulin|

D​

|

22​

|

831,667​

|

RFA​

Harrison Ruopp|

D​

|

20​

|

650,833​

|

650,833​

|

RFA​

Nick D'Agostino|

D​

|

23​

|

625,000​

|

RFA​

Scott Harrington|

D​

|

20​

|

589,167​

|

589,167​

|

RFA​

Reid McNeill|

D​

|

21​

|

575,000​

|

RFA​

Goalie................................​

|

Pos.​

|

Age​

|

2013-14​

|

2014-15​

|

2015-16​

Matt Murray|

G​

|

19​

|

620,000​

|

620,000​

|

620,000​

Eric Hartzell|

G​

|

24​

|

550,000​

|

RFA​

UNRESTRICTED FREE AGENTS

Player........................​

|

Pos.​

|

Age​

|

2013-14​

|

News and notes​

Brooks Orpik|

D​

|

33​

|

3,750,000​

|Longest-tenured Penguin has lost a step or six. Free Candy now a Milk Dud

Jussi Jokinen|

LW​

|

30​

|

3,000,000​

|Only counted for $2.1M against Pens cap, can get a bigger raise elsewhere

Lee Stempniak|

RW​

|

31​

|

2,500,000​

|Surprisingly good stickhandler likely too pricey for a third-liner on this team

Matt Niskanen|

D​

|

26​

|

2,300,000​

|So that's what a contract year looks like. Unaffordable unless Letang is dealt?

Tomas Vokoun|

G​

|

37​

|

2,000,000​

|God bless the man if he's able to continue playing, but it won't be in Pittsburgh

Marcel Goc|

C​

|

30​

|

1,700,000​

|Need to figure out what they want to do with Sutter before deciding on him

Taylor Pyatt|

LW​

|

32​

|

1,550,000​

|At least they didn't have to give up anything to get him in the first place? Ugh

Tanner Glass|

LW​

|

29​

|

1,100,000​

|Inevitable “Glass re-signs” thread will surely be the board's most anticipated

Spencer Machacek|

RW​

|

25​

|

632,500​

|Group VI UFA provided much-needed scoring touch for WBS after trade

Deryk Engelland|

D​

|

31​

|

566,667​

|Dressing him over Bortuzzo makes Baby Jesus cry

Joe Vitale|

C​

|

28​

|

550,000​

|May want to test the market after getting limited minutes in Pittsburgh

Brian Gibbons|

C​

|

25​

|

550,000​

|Get legal to start drafting that Must Never Appear On Crosby Line clause

Zach Sill|

C​

|

25​

|

550,000​

|Nasty cut from a skate cost him shot at extended look with the big club

Chuck Kobasew|

RW​

|

31​

|

550,000​

|Was on 82-goal pace through two games before contracting polio

Chris Conner|

RW​

|

29​

|

550,000​

|C'mon, Habs – you know you need another 5-foot-9 perimeter winger

Harry Zolnierczyk|

LW​

|

26​

|

550,000​

|Group VI UFA was franchise's best convicted sex offender since Tibbetts

Nick Drazenovic|

C​

|

26​

|

550,000​

|Wilkes-Barre/Scranton's top scorer not named Kostopoulos

Brendan Mikkelson|

D​

|

26​

|

550,000​

|Top-10 scoring defenseman in the AHL this past season

RESTRICTED FREE AGENTS

Player......................​

|

Pos.​

|

Age​

|

2013-14​

|

News and notes​

Brandon Sutter|

C​

|

24​

|

2,066,667​

|Owners caught Shero sewing KESLER onto 16's jersey at night while sobbing

Jayson Megna|

RW​

|

23​

|

925,000​

|”Promising Pens Winger” label remarkably similar to “Office Hot” concept

Simon Despres|

D​

|

22​

|

840,000​

| http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=etZpup-GtLw

Philip Samuelsson|

D​

|

22​

|

627,500​

|New extension should be long enough for Jack Neely to be draft-eligible

Bobby Farnham|

LW​

|

24​

|

550,000​

|Remains one of the most aggravating players in the AHL

SIGNED PROSPECTS

Player​

|

Pos.​

|

Age​

|

Current Team​

|

Contract​

Tristan Jarry|

G​

|

18​

|

Edmonton (WHL)​

|

3 years/650,833 per​

UNSIGNED PROSPECTS

Player​

​

​

|

Pos.​

|

Age​

|

Current Team (League)​

Dane Birks|

D​

|

18​

|Merritt (BCHL)

Teddy Blueger|

F​

|

19​

|Minnesota State (WCHA)

Blaine Byron|

F​

|

18​

|Maine (HEA)

Jake Guentzel|

F​

|

18​

|Nebraska-Omaha (WCHA)

Troy Josephs|

F​

|

19​

|St. Michael's (OJHL)

Sean Maguire|

G​

|

20​

|Boston University (HEA)

Alexander Pechurskiy|

G​

|

23​

|Orsk (VHL)

Ryan Segalla|

D​

|

18​

|Dubuque (USHL)

Clark Seymour|

D​

|

20​

|Peterborough (OHL)

This offseason needs to begin the complete destruction and rebuild that the 2 stooges put into motion over 4 years ago. Obviously you can't rely on FA alone to rebuild a team and there are a handful of guys that we all agree should be traded, for anything really. However, we know who the 2014 FA crop will be and there are some intriguing names out there, that could help in key areas we are lacking.

The first order of business, would be to obviously fire Bylsma (his entire staff) and Shero. That should happen the moment we're eliminated, which i pray is this round. Everything beyond that is pointless until they are gone, which we all pray happens.

http://capgeek.com/free-agents/

There are the 2014 FA's. If the cap does increase into the 70-71M range, we would be sitting in the 15M range in terms of space available. That is without signing and RFA's/UFA's from our own team.

I want to break it down into groups.

Group 1:
Players that NEED TO WALK (IE. don't even offer them the time of day).

1. Glass
2. Engo
3. Kobasew
4. Orpik
5. Pyatt
6. Vokoun

Most of those guys are a major reason for the **** we're in. They are easily replaceable by guys already in the system or relatively cheap FA signings from other teams. Didn't include AHL level FA's.

Group 2:
Players that NEED TO RE-SIGN (IE. proved their worth and need to be brought back)

1. Niskanen
2. Vitale
3. Despres (RFA, possibly trade bait)
4. Gibbons (RFA)
5. Megna (RFA)

Nisky has blossomed into a legit #3 and while his price tag will jump north of 4M per, i think given his age and skill set, is worth it at 4.5M per, give or take a little. Vitale is the perfect 4th liner. Every team should have a guy like him. He'll be cheap. Couple of RFA's that obviously need to be kept.

Group 3:
Players that COULD BE KEPT (for the right price, length of term)

1. Sutter (RFA)
2. Goc
3. Jokinen
4. Stemp

Sutter may or may not be worth it, depending on what the trade market is like and whether or not we could lure a Bolland type in FA. Goc, Joki and Stemp could all be pieces but i'm not paying them more then they make now and they wouldn't be first choices.

Now we can look at FA's from other teams that would make sense, depending on what we do with our own players.

Forwards:

1. Bolland
2. Kulemin
3. Winnik

I like Bolland a lot as a #3C. Winnik would be a wonderful fit as a 3/4. Big body, can move people and chip in offensively.

Defenseman:

There really aren't any guys that pop out in the FA class, and quite frankly, if we bring back Nisky and use the plethora of depth we have within the system, we really don't need to dip into the FA pool.

Goaltenders:

1. Halak
2. Brian Elliott

Halak is my sleeper signing for this offseason. He's always been pretty good and flashed elite skills, namely against us a few years back in the postseason. He put up very good numbers this year and at 28 isn't as old as a guy like Miller and won't command near that much cash. IF we can get Fleury out of the mix, he's my #1 target. A 3 year contract would be about perfect as we develop our own young players in Jarry and Murray. Elliott would be a great backup.

Players that i'd absolutely explore trading:

1. Fleury (don't care if we literally give him away)
2. Letang
3. Scuderi (for anything really)
4. Neal
5. Sutter

Players that i'd listen to offers on or use in package for a top 6 winger/top 4 dman:

1. Despres (probably in package deal with one of the guys above)
2. Bennett (see Despres)


Ideally, we could target players like Blake Wheeler, Andrew Ladd, David Perron, Bobby Ryan, Clarke MacArthur, Ryan Kesler, 1st round picks etc. A goalie like Reimer could come into play.

Anyway, post your thoughts on the upcoming FA's and where we should go with our own players as well as guys from other teams.

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[AjaxTelamon]

In a move that will send shockwaves through the Pens HFBoards, JR doesn't extend an offer to Joey V., instead signs Manny Malhotra for 750k x 2yrs.

 

[SEALBound]

I want change. I want youth. I want a new look. I sick, sick, SICK of the status quo with the same old suspects.

I think Letang and Neal are our most valuable assets. I don't buy that Letang's value is THAT much lower. He should still be able to bring in a Top 5 pick + Top 6 player. Neal should bring back a Top 6 player, prospect and a 1st. Scuds for a 2nd.

Example:

Letang+ to EDM for Perron+3rd OV
Neal to ANA for Silferberg/DSP+Etem+1st
Scuds to NYI for 2nd

Draft Reinhart/Bennett with the 3rdOV, Ritchie with the other 1st, Barbashev/HoSang/etc with ours, and ideally Lemieux with the 2nd.

Resign Niskanen, Despres, and a couple of the youngins for depth.

Sign Kulemin and Grabo (if the price is right) and a stop gap dman. Even room for a goalie...

CAPGEEK.COM ARMCHAIR GM ROSTER
CapGeek Armchair GM Roster
FORWARDS
Chris Kunitz ($3.850m) / Sidney Crosby ($8.700m) / David Perron ($3.813m)
Nikolai Kulemin ($3.250m) / Evgeni Malkin ($9.500m) / Jakob Silfverberg ($1.500m)
Beau Bennett ($0.900m) / Mikhail Grabovski ($3.250m) / Pascal Dupuis ($3.750m)
Emerson Etem ($0.870m) / S Rein/Bennett ($0.900m) / N Ritchie ($0.900m) / B Lemieux ($0.900m)
DEFENSEMEN
Matt Niskanen ($4.500m) / Olli Maatta ($0.894m)
Simon Despres ($1.200m) / Paul Martin ($5.000m)
Robert Bortuzzo ($0.600m) / Anton Stralman ($2.000m)
Brian Dumoulin ($0.832m) /
GOALTENDERS
Marc-Andre Fleury ($5.000m)
Ilya Bryzgalov ($2.500m)
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CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
(estimations for 2014-15)
SALARY CAP: $71,100,000; CAP PAYROLL: $63,708,333; BONUSES: $68,333
CAP SPACE (21-man roster): $7,391,667

We don't HAVE to spend to the cap to get good. Get young and let the youth battle it out. No more given roster spots. Can even send a couple of them back to the minors if needed and bring up or sign a couple 4th liners.

 

[Klifton]

I want change. I want youth. I want a new look. I sick, sick, SICK of the status quo with the same old suspects.

I think Letang and Neal are our most valuable assets. I don't buy that Letang's value is THAT much lower. He should still be able to bring in a Top 5 pick + Top 6 player. Neal should bring back a Top 6 player, prospect and a 1st. Scuds for a 2nd.

Example:

Letang+ to EDM for Perron+3rd OV
Neal to ANA for Silferberg/DSP+Etem+1st
Scuds to NYI for 2nd

Draft Reinhart/Bennett with the 3rdOV, Ritchie with the other 1st, Barbashev/HoSang/etc with ours, and ideally Lemieux with the 2nd.

Resign Niskanen, Despres, and a couple of the youngins for depth.

Sign Kulemin and Grabo (if the price is right) and a stop gap dman. Even room for a goalie...

CAPGEEK.COM ARMCHAIR GM ROSTER
CapGeek Armchair GM Roster
FORWARDS
Chris Kunitz ($3.850m) / Sidney Crosby ($8.700m) / David Perron ($3.813m)
Nikolai Kulemin ($3.250m) / Evgeni Malkin ($9.500m) / Jakob Silfverberg ($1.500m)
Beau Bennett ($0.900m) / Mikhail Grabovski ($3.250m) / Pascal Dupuis ($3.750m)
Emerson Etem ($0.870m) / S Rein/Bennett ($0.900m) / N Ritchie ($0.900m) / B Lemieux ($0.900m)
DEFENSEMEN
Matt Niskanen ($4.500m) / Olli Maatta ($0.894m)
Simon Despres ($1.200m) / Paul Martin ($5.000m)
Robert Bortuzzo ($0.600m) / Anton Stralman ($2.000m)
Brian Dumoulin ($0.832m) /
GOALTENDERS
Marc-Andre Fleury ($5.000m)
Ilya Bryzgalov ($2.500m)
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CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
(estimations for 2014-15)
SALARY CAP: $71,100,000; CAP PAYROLL: $63,708,333; BONUSES: $68,333
CAP SPACE (21-man roster): $7,391,667

We don't HAVE to spend to the cap to get good. Get young and let the youth battle it out. No more given roster spots. Can even send a couple of them back to the minors if needed and bring up or sign a couple 4th liners.

Wow, I don't know that we need to blow things up that much, but I can see the appeal. The only thing I don't like is Bryzgalov. I say keep with the getting younger plan, keep Zatkoff.

 

[penguins2946*]

A. There's no chance in hell we would get the 3rd overall and Perron for Letang, maybe Yak and the 3rd overall
B. There's no chance in hell we would get both Etem and Silfverberg along with the 10th overall for Neal, maybe 1 of those 2, Rakell and the #10 pick
C. All your FA predictions minus Kulemin are extremely low
D. That tandem would have competitions on who could be worse in the playoffs
E. Etem, Reinhart/Bennett and Ritchie on the 4th line is extremely stupid to put it gently
F. It's just IMO, but I have absolutely no desire in re-signing Niskanen. I feel like he's nothing more than a 1 hit wonder and will just revert back to his former self
G. Just noticed this one, there's no chance in hell Scuderi brings back a high 2nd round pick

 

[SEALBound]

A. There's no chance in hell we would get the 3rd overall and Perron for Letang, maybe Yak and the 3rd overall
B. There's no chance in hell we would get both Etem and Silfverberg along with the 10th overall for Neal, maybe 1 of those 2, Rakell and the #10 pick
C. All your FA predictions minus Kulemin are extremely low
D. That tandem would have competitions on who could be worse in the playoffs
E. Etem, Reinhart/Bennett and Ritchie on the 4th line is extremely stupid to put it gently
F. It's just IMO, but I have absolutely no desire in re-signing Niskanen. I feel like he's nothing more than a 1 hit wonder and will just revert back to his former self
G. Just noticed this one, there's no chance in hell Scuderi brings back a high 2nd round pick

A. I guess you missed the "+"
B. I disagree. Its a return on par with the Ryan/Carter/Richards trades. Neal is worth that.
C. Note the $7mil+ in cap space. Adjust as needed
D. Bryz was a joke but represents what we could afford for 1B.
E. Guess you missed the part about "or get other 4th liners"...
F. I guess we disagree.
G. I guess we disagree again.

 

[KIRK]

A. There's no chance in hell we would get the 3rd overall and Perron for Letang, maybe Yak and the 3rd overall
B. There's no chance in hell we would get both Etem and Silfverberg along with the 10th overall for Neal, maybe 1 of those 2, Rakell and the #10 pick
C. All your FA predictions minus Kulemin are extremely low
D. That tandem would have competitions on who could be worse in the playoffs
E. Etem, Reinhart/Bennett and Ritchie on the 4th line is extremely stupid to put it gently
F. It's just IMO, but I have absolutely no desire in re-signing Niskanen. I feel like he's nothing more than a 1 hit wonder and will just revert back to his former self
G. Just noticed this one, there's no chance in hell Scuderi brings back a high 2nd round pick

A. A Letang and Sutter package would be interesting.
B. Bobby Ryan, bigger cap hit, lower numbers, only two years left until UFA, got Silverberg, a nice defensive prospect comparable in value to Etem, and the 10th overall, but Neal is worth nowhere near that. And, better still, the Pens will get nowhere near that. Respectfully, I disagree.

 

[mpp9]

I think Neal can bring back a Carter level return easily. High pick and a player who'd flourish given a bigger role. I'd look to add to him and bring in a better player.

 

[Darth Vitale]

I think Letang could easily fetch the 3rd and Perron. Maybe we through in a middle pick or something but it wouldn't be much more, if more at all.

Don't think Neal would get Silfverberg, Etem and 10th (pick two).

I also don't know that I'd WANT to trade Letang for that. Would be tempted to move Neal for Silfverberg and Etem (not as interested in Pick 10 in this particular draft, if it means losing an 80 point guy). I don't think there are too many "sure bet to play in the NHL next year" prospects in this year's Top 10 other than Reinhart and the other, other Bennett. That's based on some limited reading. If we're trading either of those guys for a pick, I want a pick that will turn into an NHL player next year or by mid-year.

Not sure how next year's draft is shaping up other than what's-his-name but if it's supposed to be an uber-strong draft I might err on the side of getting more 1st rounders next year, than 1 early one this year.

 

[themethod7]

A. I guess you missed the "+"
B. I disagree. Its a return on par with the Ryan/Carter/Richards trades. Neal is worth that.
C. Note the $7mil+ in cap space. Adjust as needed
D. Bryz was a joke but represents what we could afford for 1B.
E. Guess you missed the part about "or get other 4th liners"...
F. I guess we disagree.
G. I guess we disagree again.

I'm sorry, but you're way way off on a few of these, Scuderi for a high 2nd for one, it's not gonna happen. Neal one is also sketchy, he's valuable but not Etem/Silfverberg/10th overall valuable. Maybe try this on NHL14 cuz that's the only place these moves are even remotely possible.

 

[penguins2946*]

A. I guess you missed the "+"
B. I disagree. Its a return on par with the Ryan/Carter/Richards trades. Neal is worth that.
C. Note the $7mil+ in cap space. Adjust as needed
D. What tandem?
E. Guess you missed the part about "or get other 4th liners"...
F. I guess we disagree.
G. I guess we disagree again.

I didn't notice the +, my bad. Edmonton loves Perron, so I really can't see them moving him. I think Yakupov and the #3 pick is a lot more likely. Letang has big question marks, you can't deny that. We'll be getting players with question marks back for him. Yakupov putting in 30 a year consistently and one of Draisaitl, Reinhart or Bennett would be damn appealing for our top-6 in the long run. I know it is an unpopular opinion, but I wouldn't rule out trying to trade up to draft Ekblad. We have no elite RHD or RD prospects in the system, and Pouliot looked great with Ekblad at the WJC. Something to consider.

No, that trade is above those returns. I'll compare it the Carter and Ryan trades, because those are much more relevant. Ryan was traded for a young NHL winger with a high ceiling, a good prospect and what was presumed to be a mid to late 1st. Carter was traded for a young NHL winger with a high ceiling and a high draft pick. That deal has 2 young wingers with high ceilings and a high 1st coming back for Neal. That's just too much. I think Neal would bring back either Palmieri/Silfverberg and the #10 or Palmieri/Silfverberg, Rakell and the #24 pick.

Bryz-Fleury would have competitions to out-suck each other in the playoffs. No thanks.

 

[NeedleInTheHay]

Everyone talks about getting younger but a lot of people wanna trade Letang and Neal which makes no sense to me. Why not move out the old players like Scuderi, Dupuis, Kunitz, or Martin for cap space insead?

 

[Klifton]

You know, I did come up with something on another thread that gets us upgrades to the top six AND lets us keep Letang and resign Niskanen. And all it took was offloading 2 players and completing one trade.

 

[penguins2946*]

A. A Letang and Sutter package would be interesting.

I think we could get back Perron and the #3 pick with that.

B. Bobby Ryan, bigger cap hit, lower numbers, only two years left until UFA, got Silverberg, a nice defensive prospect comparable in value to Etem, and the 10th overall, but Neal is worth nowhere near that. And, better still, the Pens will get nowhere near that. Respectfully, I disagree.

Ryan brought back Silfverberg, Noesen (who is a wing prospect, I have no idea where you got a defensive prospect from) and a projected mid to late 1st. Silfverberg, Etem and the #10 pick is significantly higher than that. Carter brought back Voracek (young winger with a high ceiling) and a high 1st. Neal won't be getting more than Carter, but he'll probably get more than Ryan. Palmieri, Rakell and the #24 pick is more than what Ryan brought back.

You know, I did come up with something on another thread that gets us upgrades to the top six AND lets us keep Letang and resign Niskanen. And all it took was offloading 2 players and completing one trade.

We could sign 2 top-6 wingers for $8 million dollars and still be under the cap with Scuderi and Dupuis on the roster.

I think Neal can bring back a Carter level return easily. High pick and a player who'd flourish given a bigger role. I'd look to add to him and bring in a better player.

I think Palmieri and the #10 pick is both a good and realistic return for Neal.

 

[Klifton]

We could, but that would leave us with $2M to spend on 6 roster spots.

 

[SEALBound]

I think we could get back Perron and the #3 pick with that.



Ryan brought back Silfverberg, Noesen (who is a wing prospect, I have no idea where you got a defensive prospect from) and a projected mid to late 1st. Silfverberg, Etem and the #10 pick is significantly higher than that. Carter brought back Voracek (young winger with a high ceiling) and a high 1st. Neal won't be getting more than Carter, but he'll probably get more than Ryan. Palmieri, Rakell and the #24 pick is more than what Ryan brought back.



We could sign 2 top-6 wingers for $8 million dollars and still be under the cap with Scuderi and Dupuis on the roster.



I think Palmieri and the #10 pick is both a good and realistic return for Neal.

You are selling Neal very short.

 

[Darth Vitale]

Everyone talks about getting younger but a lot of people wanna trade Letang and Neal which makes no sense to me. Why not move out the old players like Scuderi, Dupuis, Kunitz, or Martin for cap space insead?

You're absolutely right that it makes no sense (unless the offer is really good / makes us deeper immediately). As for Scuds and Dupuis, what can you do with those guys right now, really? Nothing. They're not going to fetch much. Kunitz remains our 2nd best winger by far, like it or not. Let's not go trading him until we've got something better to take his spot. His age makes him a better candidate than Neal but that's about it -- not a good candidate in general. Martin? Why? He's not the problem.

I think people are (shortsightedly) talking about Neal and Letang because they're the guys the media people float rumors about because they draw readers. No other reason. Not a single one of those rumors is substantiated in anything resembling facts. It's just Full Rossi Media + HFB in summer. People get bored and come up with stupid ideas, more or less.

 

[penguins2946*]

We could, but that would leave us with $2M to spend on 6 roster spots.

What? Where did you get $2 million to fill 6 roster spots? Niskanen is not coming back next year in that situation.

You are selling Neal very short.

Not really. He's not going to get a significantly better return than Carter. Palmieri/Etem/Silfverberg and the #10 pick is likely what we're looking at.

 

[NeedleInTheHay]

You're absolutely right that it makes no sense (unless the offer is really good / makes us deeper immediately). As for Scuds and Dupuis, what can you do with those guys right now, really? Nothing. They're not going to fetch much. Kunitz remains our 2nd best winger by far, like it or not. Let's not go trading him until we've got something better to take his spot. His age makes him a better candidate than Neal but that's about it -- not a good candidate in general. Martin? Why? He's not the problem.

I think people are (shortsightedly) talking about Neal and Letang because they're the guys the media people float rumors about because they draw readers. No other reason. Not a single one of those rumors is substantiated in anything resembling facts. It's just Full Rossi Media + HFB in summer. People get bored and come up with stupid ideas, more or less.

For the record I don't wanna move Martin or Kunitz either. But if management feels they need to shake up the locker room, I'd rather deal the players in their 30's over Letang and Neal any day.

Trading Neal is one of the more idiotic ideas on this board lately.

 

[Klifton]

What? Where did you get $2 million to fill 6 roster spots? Niskanen is not coming back next year in that situation.QUOTE]

I'm sorry, I thought you had seen the earlier post I was referring to, based on knowing that I was referring to Dupuis and Scuderi.

Yes, Niskanen was on the post I'm referring to. The defense looked like this:

Martin - Letang
Maatta - Niskanen
Despres - Bortuzzo

I think the team would be better off with Niskanen than with Dupuis and Scuderi. Not to mention, we get younger. Which a lot of people on this site seem to really want.

 

[Darth Vitale]

For the record I don't wanna move Martin or Kunitz either. But if management feels they need to shake up the locker room, I'd rather deal the players in their 30's over Letang and Neal any day.

Trading Neal is one of the more idiotic ideas on this board lately.

Agreed on all points. Especially the last one.

 

[Honour Over Glory]

I don't know if I want to keep Adams around to be the 13-14th forward, it's that idea that's the problem with this team. 13/14th forwards for this team should be guys like Sill, Payerl, etc. These guys work their rears off for what? So Craig Adams can get undeserved ice time over them, even if it's 10mins, that's 10mins of him flailing at people to make hits, flubbing passes and shots and occasionally doing a few decent things on a PK.

I am curious to see Rutherford make his first roster move and what it will be. He needs to cut the fat, I just want to see who he deems the "unnecessary fat."

I will never understand the notion that Neal needs to be moved, majority of his faults are coach related issues, things that are fixable, the rest would then be on him, but it would take a coach to call him on it and work with him, then the rest is on him to make it happen and if he doesn't want to, then fine, he's not a hard guy to move, a ton of teams would love to have a 20-40 goal scorer that is signed at a good term for 5m/yr, I mean even if he doesn't score 40, he's a 20+ guy his entire freaking career.

Kunitz is a guy I wouldn't be mad if he was moved, I think his style of play is starting to wear him down, he looked a little gassed in the playoffs.

But I do want to see what a new coach can do, I think we can all agree that a lot of players on this team were misused.

 

[Patrick Swayze]

I want change. I want youth. I want a new look. I sick, sick, SICK of the status quo with the same old suspects.

I think Letang and Neal are our most valuable assets. I don't buy that Letang's value is THAT much lower. He should still be able to bring in a Top 5 pick + Top 6 player. Neal should bring back a Top 6 player, prospect and a 1st. Scuds for a 2nd.

Example:

Letang+ to EDM for Perron+3rd OV
Neal to ANA for Silferberg/DSP+Etem+1st
Scuds to NYI for 2nd

Draft Reinhart/Bennett with the 3rdOV, Ritchie with the other 1st, Barbashev/HoSang/etc with ours, and ideally Lemieux with the 2nd.

Resign Niskanen, Despres, and a couple of the youngins for depth.

Sign Kulemin and Grabo (if the price is right) and a stop gap dman. Even room for a goalie...

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FORWARDS
Chris Kunitz ($3.850m) / Sidney Crosby ($8.700m) / David Perron ($3.813m)
Nikolai Kulemin ($3.250m) / Evgeni Malkin ($9.500m) / Jakob Silfverberg ($1.500m)
Beau Bennett ($0.900m) / Mikhail Grabovski ($3.250m) / Pascal Dupuis ($3.750m)
Emerson Etem ($0.870m) / S Rein/Bennett ($0.900m) / N Ritchie ($0.900m) / B Lemieux ($0.900m)
DEFENSEMEN
Matt Niskanen ($4.500m) / Olli Maatta ($0.894m)
Simon Despres ($1.200m) / Paul Martin ($5.000m)
Robert Bortuzzo ($0.600m) / Anton Stralman ($2.000m)
Brian Dumoulin ($0.832m) /
GOALTENDERS
Marc-Andre Fleury ($5.000m)
Ilya Bryzgalov ($2.500m)
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SALARY CAP: $71,100,000; CAP PAYROLL: $63,708,333; BONUSES: $68,333
CAP SPACE (21-man roster): $7,391,667

We don't HAVE to spend to the cap to get good. Get young and let the youth battle it out. No more given roster spots. Can even send a couple of them back to the minors if needed and bring up or sign a couple 4th liners.

Wow what a pipe dream... I don't have time to argue with every mistake you made there but once I saw that you somehow think Stralman is going to be making 2 million per next season I couldn't take it anymore.. He along with Niskanen are going to be two of the more highly touted defenseman try 5 million per for him, I'm not a rags fan in the least but if you've watched them at all this post season he's due for a huge pay day, 2M per is laughable

 

[canadianguy77]

I don't know if I want to keep Adams around to be the 13-14th forward, it's that idea that's the problem with this team. 13/14th forwards for this team should be guys like Sill, Payerl, etc. These guys work their rears off for what? So Craig Adams can get undeserved ice time over them, even if it's 10mins, that's 10mins of him flailing at people to make hits, flubbing passes and shots and occasionally doing a few decent things on a PK.

I am curious to see Rutherford make his first roster move and what it will be. He needs to cut the fat, I just want to see who he deems the "unnecessary fat."

People actually want to keep Craig ****ing Adams around? That guy couldn't crack any roster in this league. The only reason he's still employed is because of Bylsma. He hasn't been an NHL player for years.

 

[Honour Over Glory]

People actually want to keep Craig ****ing Adams around? That guy couldn't crack any roster in this league. The only reason he's still employed is because of Bylsma. He hasn't been an NHL player for years.

From what I can remember of the 24/7 series, I got the impression that Shero was a bigger fan, I mean didn't he say he'd fight Bylsma to keep him in the line-up?

As annoying as Bylsma was with some of his coaching decisions, I think out of the two, Bylsma will rebound and go on to have a very good coaching career, where as Shero, he'll need to take a different role with a team to work his way back up to GM.