Speculation: 2013 Offseason Thread Part V: Trade Em All!

[LaffyTaffyNYR]

No. Can start talking to FA on the 3rd. Buyouts end the 4th. There's a day of overlap.

I can still see the Rangers signing Mason Raymond for AV's defensive line and add scoring depth and trading Del Zotto or Staal for another top 6 winger, which honestly I think is the way to go.

 

[Ola]

Actually, the league can challenge a doctor's ruling on fitness to play, period. Not just unfit. That was for the LTIR nonsense. However, paragraph 5 of the SPC covers the rules regarding a player under contract and both his and the team's rights in regards to player injuries. As you will see from the relevant pieces of the SPC below, the player is required to submit himself to a club physician, who will make a determination on whether the players can perform under contract. If the player disputes, he hires a physician that must make a determination on whether the player can perform under contract. If the club and player physicians disagree, and independent physician is brought in, and his findings are final.

I am sorry Tawnos, but the quoted paragraph just does not say that the league can come flying and challenge the health of a player that claims to be healthy.

It's ridiculous.

 

[Vitto79]

What happened to the rumblings about Cammalleri?

kinda no way now to fit that salary in. Sather is going to make a trade or two. Honestly yrs of saying dont overpay in free agency and having little cap space is a bad thing?

I think Raymond and Lapierre are on the list but they can still be signed with a move or two. I expect one of DZ, Staal dealt for a RD. Boyle and Pyatt wont be around either

 

[Vitto79]

http://www.ottawasun.com/2013/06/28...ightning-slows-things-down-on-nhl-trade-front

shopping Miller ? yea right Garrioch. I hope this guy is a moron and pretty sure he is

Miller, Fast, Lindberg are big parts of the future. Once Boyle, Asham, Powe , Pyatt are dealt or off the books these guys can step in. Need some time in the AHL though

 

[mike14]

http://www.ottawasun.com/2013/06/28...ightning-slows-things-down-on-nhl-trade-front

shopping Miller ? yea right Garrioch. I hope this guy is a moron and pretty sure he is

Miller, Fast, Lindberg are big parts of the future. Once Boyle, Asham, Powe , Pyatt are dealt or off the books these guys can step in. Need some time in the AHL though

If we were shopping Miller as part of a package for a young top 6 winger I wouldn't be too upset.

I'm a big fan of Miller, but we need some young skill on the wings

 

[LaffyTaffyNYR]

http://www.ottawasun.com/2013/06/28...ightning-slows-things-down-on-nhl-trade-front

shopping Miller ? yea right Garrioch. I hope this guy is a moron and pretty sure he is

Miller, Fast, Lindberg are big parts of the future. Once Boyle, Asham, Powe , Pyatt are dealt or off the books these guys can step in. Need some time in the AHL though

could just be trying to see whats out there, but Garrioch usually pulls stuff out of his ass, he's about as reliable as people claim Eklund is lol

 

[Boom Boom Geoffrion*]

could just be trying to see whats out there, but Garrioch usually pulls stuff out of his ass, he's about as reliable as people claim Eklund is lol

Agreed. If he's suggesting we're shopping Miller, then it's safe to say Miller isn't being discussed at all by our head office.

 

[LaffyTaffyNYR]

so with Richards now staying, Rangers have 14M of cap space to work with for their own RFAs and some depth.. What do you guys think the RFAs combined will make?

 

[SupersonicMonkey*]

so with Richards now staying, Rangers have 14M of cap space to work with for their own RFAs and some depth.. What do you guys think the RFAs combined will make?

Cap hits:

Stepan and McDonagh around 4 million each.

Hagelin between 2-3 million.

Lundqvist needs an extension as well. God knows what he will get. League max?

Approximately 11 million for the skaters. Lundqvist on his own 7+ million.

Richards not being bought out screwed us.

Edit: forgot Zuccarello. 2+ million?

Thats now about 14 million for the skaters.

 

[LaffyTaffyNYR]

Cap hits:

Stepan and McDonagh around 4 million each.

Hagelin between 2-3 million.

Lundqvist needs an extension as well. God knows what he will get. League max?

Approximately 11 million for the skaters. Lundqvist on his own 7+ million.

Richards not being bought out screwed us.

Hank is already signed this year, the extension does not count towards this year. so that would leave around 3M in cap space with the potential of trades of bottom 6 guys or a defensemen.. still wiggle room to make the team better.

 

[RangerBoy]

Miller isn't bringing back an established player by himself. Didn't live up to expectations? Just what were those expectations. Where Is the $ coming from to pay for this player. With Richards,the Rangers can pay their group IIs and not do much else. They need another D for depth. That's assuming Staal will be ready to go with no other issues. Leave $ to operate the team.

 

[SupersonicMonkey*]

Hank is already signed this year, the extension does not count towards this year. so that would leave around 3M in cap space with the potential of trades of bottom 6 guys or a defensemen.. still wiggle room to make the team better.

Thats right on Henrik.

IMO the best options to improve the roster, a combination of trading the bottom six guys and allowing kids to play there (Lindberg, Fast, Miller) and trading Del Zotto.

 

[LaffyTaffyNYR]

Thats right on Henrik.

IMO the best options to improve the roster, a combination of trading the bottom six guys and allowing kids to play there (Lindberg, Fast, Miller) and trading Del Zotto.

Yep I agree with this.. we have 2 (maybe 3) bottom 6 guys at the moment in Boyle and Dorsett. though if we traded Del Zotto for another top 6 guy, someone else gets pushed down to make (3) bottom 6 guys. does anyone think Miller should be a bottom 6 guy this year? not really sure he fits on the defense or checking line however.

 

[LaffyTaffyNYR]

Puckrush, why the hell would the Rangers pay Hagelin and Zuccarrelo the same when Hagelin has clearly put up better #s? If Zucc gets 2M, they are stupid.

 

[Fitzy]

Puckrush, why the hell would the Rangers pay Hagelin and Zuccarrelo the same when Hagelin has clearly put up better #s? If Zucc gets 2M, they are stupid.

The reason might be as an anticipatory contract. The Bruins gave Lucic a 4 year, 16 million dollar extension long before he was an offensive player on the hope that he would develop into one.

But 2m per is a bit steep.

 

[Riche16]

This is the biggest problem with keeping BR...

We have no moves... Or very, very few... And none seem all that appealing... To fans or possible trade partners unfortunately.

 

[Fitzy]

If Sather thinks that one more year of Richards is better than any free agent options, it's not the worst plan. Injury concerns are, quite frankly, a bit overblown.

 

[Vitto79]

If Sather thinks that one more year of Richards is better than any free agent options, it's not the worst plan. Injury concerns are, quite frankly, a bit overblown.

this list is poop. Richards is a Ranger, let it be and support our favorite team already

Ribeiro, Mike » C 33 WAS 48 13 36 49 53 -4 17.83
Dupuis, Pascal » R 34 PIT 48 20 18 38 26 31 17.51
Elias, Patrik » C 37 NJD 48 14 22 36 22 5 18.72
Jagr, Jaromir » R 41 BOS 45 16 19 35 22 -2 18.33
Ryder, Michael » R 33 MTL 46 16 19 35 16 2 16.05
Boyes, Brad » R 31 NYI 48 10 25 35 16 -6 18.21
Iginla, Jarome » R 35 PIT 44 14 19 33 31 -5 18.81
Lecavalier, V. » C 33 TBL 39 10 22 32 29 -5 17.88
Prospal, Vinny » L 38 CLB 48 12 18 30 32 3 16.53
Bozak, Tyler » C 27 TOR 46 12 16 28 6 -1 20.31
Roy, Derek » C 30 VAN 42 7 21 28 6 4 18.59
Koivu, Saku » C 38 ANA 47 8 19 27 18 4 17.60
Cullen, Matt » C 36 MIN 42 7 20 27 10 9 15.89
Brunner, Damien » R 27 DET 44 12 14 26 12 -6 15.59
Alfredsson, D. » R 40 OTT 47 10 16 26 33 1 19.35
Morrow, Brenden » L 34 PIT 44 12 13 25 37 -3 14.86
Clarkson, David » R 29 NJD 48 15 9 24 78 -6 17.59
Selanne, Teemu » R 42 ANA 46 12 12 24 28 -10 15.69
Stalberg, Viktor » L 27 CHI 47 9 14 23 25 16 14.12
Bickell, Bryan » L 27 CHI 48 9 14 23 25 12 12.81
Horton, Nathan » R 28 BOS 43 13 9 22 22 1 16.86
Raymond, Mason » L 27 VAN 46 10 12 22 16 2 15.82
Cooke, Matt » L 34 PIT 48 8 13 21 36 -2 14.71
MacArthur, Clarke » L 28 TOR 40 8 12 20 26 3 14.91
Bouchard, P. » R 29 MIN 43 8 12 20 8 3 13.94
Zidlicky, Marek » D 36 NJD 48 4 15 19 38 -12 20.99
Clowe, Ryane » L 30 NYR 40 3 16 19 93 1 16.63
Antropov, Nik » C 33 WPG 40 6 12 18 16 6 15.96
Filppula, V. » L 29 DET 41 9 8 17 6 -4 17.78
Sullivan, Steve » L 38 NJD 42 7 10 17 24 -12 14.55

 

[LaffyTaffyNYR]

this list is poop. Richards is a Ranger, let it be and support our favorite team already

Ribeiro, Mike » C 33 WAS 48 13 36 49 53 -4 17.83
Dupuis, Pascal » R 34 PIT 48 20 18 38 26 31 17.51
Elias, Patrik » C 37 NJD 48 14 22 36 22 5 18.72
Jagr, Jaromir » R 41 BOS 45 16 19 35 22 -2 18.33
Ryder, Michael » R 33 MTL 46 16 19 35 16 2 16.05
Boyes, Brad » R 31 NYI 48 10 25 35 16 -6 18.21
Iginla, Jarome » R 35 PIT 44 14 19 33 31 -5 18.81
Lecavalier, V. » C 33 TBL 39 10 22 32 29 -5 17.88
Prospal, Vinny » L 38 CLB 48 12 18 30 32 3 16.53
Bozak, Tyler » C 27 TOR 46 12 16 28 6 -1 20.31
Roy, Derek » C 30 VAN 42 7 21 28 6 4 18.59
Koivu, Saku » C 38 ANA 47 8 19 27 18 4 17.60
Cullen, Matt » C 36 MIN 42 7 20 27 10 9 15.89
Brunner, Damien » R 27 DET 44 12 14 26 12 -6 15.59
Alfredsson, D. » R 40 OTT 47 10 16 26 33 1 19.35
Morrow, Brenden » L 34 PIT 44 12 13 25 37 -3 14.86
Clarkson, David » R 29 NJD 48 15 9 24 78 -6 17.59
Selanne, Teemu » R 42 ANA 46 12 12 24 28 -10 15.69
Stalberg, Viktor » L 27 CHI 47 9 14 23 25 16 14.12
Bickell, Bryan » L 27 CHI 48 9 14 23 25 12 12.81
Horton, Nathan » R 28 BOS 43 13 9 22 22 1 16.86
Raymond, Mason » L 27 VAN 46 10 12 22 16 2 15.82
Cooke, Matt » L 34 PIT 48 8 13 21 36 -2 14.71
MacArthur, Clarke » L 28 TOR 40 8 12 20 26 3 14.91
Bouchard, P. » R 29 MIN 43 8 12 20 8 3 13.94
Zidlicky, Marek » D 36 NJD 48 4 15 19 38 -12 20.99
Clowe, Ryane » L 30 NYR 40 3 16 19 93 1 16.63
Antropov, Nik » C 33 WPG 40 6 12 18 16 6 15.96
Filppula, V. » L 29 DET 41 9 8 17 6 -4 17.78
Sullivan, Steve » L 38 NJD 42 7 10 17 24 -12 14.55

I would still look at Mason Raymond for a 3rd line role.. I think he could be afforded and will give us alot more than Clowe did or would.

 

[Tawnos]

I am sorry Tawnos, but the quoted paragraph just does not say that the league can come flying and challenge the health of a player that claims to be healthy.

It's ridiculous.

OK, that's a pointless argument. Players aren't allowed to claim to be anything, because they MUST be evaluated by a club physician. It's a requirement of the SPC.

Besides which, a situation similar the one you're talking about is given as an example of circumvention in the CBA itself. I'm on my phone, so I'm not going to find it right now.

Drury independently decided not to file for a medical exception, that he might not have gotten in any case, to his buy out. If Richards does that, fine. But there isn't a handshake agreement between him and the team. All interactions of that type are governed by the CBA. Do you really see the NHL or NHLPA allowing something like that? Saying "they'd never have to know" is simply delusional.

 

[cacchioli22]

Mac- 5
Stepan- 4
Hagelin- 2
Zucc- 1.75
We would have 2.25 in cap space we can move guys like pyatt nd powe for an extra million each

 

[Vitto79]

I would still look at Mason Raymond for a 3rd line role.. I think he could be afforded and will give us alot more than Clowe did or would.

Agreed, I don't think its crazy to think they could sign say Raymond and Lapierre while dealing Boyle and Pyatt off the books. Sign RFA's. Likely deal a LD for a RD since they have 4 LD right now

Nash, Stepan, Callahan
Hagelin, Richards, Kreider
Raymond, Brassard, Zuccarello
Asham/Powe, Lapierre, Dorsett

not perfect but not bad. Have to remember the CLB F are still real new to the team. I dont think they should change over the team that much anyway. New coach is important and build chemistry

 

[LaffyTaffyNYR]

Mac- 5
Stepan- 4
Hagelin- 2
Zucc- 1.75
We would have 2.25 in cap space we can move guys like pyatt nd powe for an extra million each

I just dont know if Zucc only gets 250K less than Hagelin.. What did guys like Josi and Voynov get again? could be a barometer of what Mcdonagh ultimately gets.

 

[Chief]

Mac- 5
Stepan- 4
Hagelin- 2
Zucc- 1.75
We would have 2.25 in cap space we can move guys like pyatt nd powe for an extra million each

Why would MacD get $1M more than Staal?

 

[LaffyTaffyNYR]

Why would MacD get $1M more than Staal?

exactly.. I just dont think Mcdonagh will get more than Staal, if he does I see 4M and not much more. people throwing out these 5-6 M numbers are nuts imo