Speculation: 2013-14 Trade rumors and proposals

[HoseEmDown]

Dunno, I know we've touched on this before... didn't we say something like Panik for Rundblad?

Before the season I would've said that's a fair but not so sure now. I wouldn't say it's cause Panik has proven more but the fact that he's still waiver exempt so he would hold more value that way. Both have struggled to hold down a full time NHL job but Panik has performed a bit better.

 

[rt]

Despite tremendous depth on the blue line, Phoenix has struggled defensively this season. Mightily so. Since Rusty Klesla was rendered ineffective at the hands of a Jordan Nolan cheap shot in the pre season, our general manger has publicly stated several times that a steady, stay at home defenseman was tops on his wish list, along with a scoring winger. Derek Morris started the season like gangbusters but his play has fallen off a cliff since he lost his mother. Michalek is always rock solid, but has a slight frame, plays a more cerebral, positional defensive game, and has suffered through injuries all season long. Michael Stone is big, capable of thunderous checks and has a howitzer shot that we haven't seen the likes of for years in Phoenix. He's also mistake prone, and is definitely experiencing growing pains with becoming positionally sound, and adjusting to the speed of play in the NHL. So Michalek has really only got half of what we are missing (size and shut down ability) and the same goes for Stone, but the attributes as flip flopped. Morris has the whole package, but he's mentally and/or emotionally checked out.

So, what should Tippett do? Give the opportunity to 6'4'' shut down monster Conor Murphy, and show patience as he learns on the job? Or should he give the minutes to the slight framed river boat gambler David Rundblad? I think the answer is pretty clear.

So it's not as though Rundblad has really failed. It's just he's not at all what our blue line needs this season. Our PP has been decent. Our PK has been a train wreck. Our GF has been passable. Our GA is not playoff calibre. Rundblad represents our existing strengths. Murphy represents our existing weaknesses. For a team in our position it's a no-brainer to give minutes to Murphy rather than Rundblad. That doesn't really take anything away for Rundblad.

Rundblad should be a godsend for a team in need of a creative puck mover with offensive flair. We aren't that team. Is Tampa?

 

[CarpeNoctem]

Rundblad could be a fit but I think a vet is the ideal fit. What might we have to pay for him?

 

[bov]

If the Lightning trade for a defenseman before the deadline, I think they go for someone who can log significant minutes alongside Hedman immediately.

 

[The Macho King]

If the Lightning trade for a defenseman before the deadline, I think they go for someone who can log significant minutes alongside Hedman immediately.

That's my thought too. The only possible exception may be a veteran, stud bottom pairing guy that can keep us from having to rely too heavily on Cote/Barberio in a playoff run (like a Ference type).

 

[HoseEmDown]

RT we have our own version of Rundblad in Barberio, I like that Rundblad is RH but Barberio can play the right so well so we have no true need.

I said it earlier in the thread but Gilbert would be a cheap option, guys like Ference/Bieksa/Edler/Giordano are going to cost way too much.

 

[LTIR Trickery]

RT we have our own version of Rundblad in Barberio, I like that Rundblad is RH but Barberio can play the right so well so we have no true need.

I said it earlier in the thread but Gilbert would be a cheap option, guys like Ference/Bieksa/Edler/Giordano are going to cost way too much.

There is a very large difference between Rundblad and Barberio, you keep saying this...

 

[HoseEmDown]

There is a very large difference between Rundblad and Barberio, you keep saying this...

And what's that? I admit I haven't seen a whole lot of Rundblad but from the little they aren't all too different.

If you're trying to say Barberio isn't as good in his own zone I'm not buying it. Barberio sucked for half the season in that regard but has been more then adequate lately. He needs work but all offensive oriented defenders usually do.

 

[zeykshade]

And what's that? I admit I haven't seen a whole lot of Rundblad but from the little they aren't all too different.

If you're trying to say Barberio isn't as good in his own zone I'm not buying it. Barberio sucked for half the season in that regard but has been more then adequate lately. He needs work but all offensive oriented defenders usually do.

Barbs has improved. Every game seems to be a bit better in the other 2 zones. Now if we can get Gudas and Salo to stop ****ing up incessantly.

 

[HowSweeeedeItIs]

It is more the other way around, I have watched Runblad for several years in the Swedish elite league and the guy is a beast in the offensive end, but a complete mess in his own zone. He has a lot of problems with positioning and tends to make a lot of wrong decisions under pressure; like going for a deke as the last man. I would say he is a worse version of Karlsson, with a good offensive upside (although not at Karlssons level), but with the same problems in his own end. He would guarantee a few turnovers a game and I doubt Cooper would want anything like that. Unless his game has changed significantly in the last couple of years. I haven't seen much of him since he left Sweden.

 

[Lord Stan 2020]

the last three four games barbs has pinched too far and caused major issues with forwards having to stop rushes. He needs to choose more wisely as he pinches or leads a charge etc.

 

[zeykshade]

the last three four games barbs has pinched too far and caused major issues with forwards having to stop rushes. He needs to choose more wisely as he pinches or leads a charge etc.

I remember the latest one where Barbs pinched and got caught, Killorn was supposed to cover high but wasn't back skating, got wtf burned hard by Mason Raymond. That's not necessarily on Barbs. The High Forward had to get back, but Killorn was loafing and had zero awareness of who was where.

 

[LTIR Trickery]

And what's that? I admit I haven't seen a whole lot of Rundblad but from the little they aren't all too different.

If you're trying to say Barberio isn't as good in his own zone I'm not buying it. Barberio sucked for half the season in that regard but has been more then adequate lately. He needs work but all offensive oriented defenders usually do.

I'm not discussing the part about Barbs improvement, he has for sure, but I think Rundblad is a little more stable in his own end, where Barbs is looking like hes maybe a #5, possible PP specialist. I see more in the tank for Rundblad, but thats me.

 

[Steve Yzerman]

I'm actually seeing Barbeiro make smarter and smarter plays each game. I think Barbs will be an amazing defenceman for us (top 4 at the least), and I'm really happy this organization did not give up on him. A lot of us were ready to close the door on him.

 

[Lord Stan 2020]

I'm not discussing the part about Barbs improvement, he has for sure, but I think Rundblad is a little more stable in his own end, where Barbs is looking like hes maybe a #5, possible PP specialist. I see more in the tank for Rundblad, but thats me.

Agree and disagree.

I do see him being our 5-6 guy. Yet that is cause of others koekkoek probably carle hedman and gudas being our top four of future.

Besides bishop barbs has the best BY FAR first pass on this team and we are going to have a lot of speedy shifty guys who can go for those long stretch break aways. So his worth one day might be truly a lot more than you think. I also see barbs as very smart hockey IQ is size and being able to pick spots to puck battle board work that he needs work on and that will all come in time.

He barberio is going to be a very very valuable guy for us if he remains here long term.

 

[zeykshade]

Barbs does not have the best first pass on the team. They typically go for icings. Hedman and Gudas have incredibly solid first passes. Ask Kucherov what he thinks of his 1-2 breakaways per game triggered by those two.

Barbs was scrappier tonight imo. He was still a major liability once the Wings tipped possession of the puck in their favor though. My god was some of that D-Zone play in the first period with 23/65/86 and Brewer + Barbs awful as ****. 4 rookies + a Pylon is a recipe for a ***** show though.

 

[The Macho King]

Yeah I don't get how anyone can say someone other than Hedman has the best first pass.

 

[2016cupwinners]

What do you guys think about Dustin Byfuglien of Winnipeg? Big guy at 6'5 260lbs, but skates well, 28 years old, plays both wing and RD. We need a large winger and a solid experienced RD, so it could help two problems for us. He makes a lot of money though, at almost 6m, so Purcell's 4.5m would definitely have to be part of the package going back. Winnipeg needs wingers, so maybe Purcell + Connolly. His weight may be an issue, and no idea what his personality is like. I don't follow Winnipeg much, but this seemed interesting to me. Thoughts welcome.

 

[Fred89]

What do you guys think about Dustin Byfuglien of Winnipeg? Big guy at 6'5 260lbs, but skates well, 28 years old, plays both wing and RD. We need a large winger and a solid experienced RD, so it could help two problems for us. He makes a lot of money though, at almost 6m, so Purcell's 4.5m would definitely have to be part of the package going back. Winnipeg needs wingers, so maybe Purcell + Connolly. His weight may be an issue, and no idea what his personality is like. I don't follow Winnipeg much, but this seemed interesting to me. Thoughts welcome.

Inconsistent player to me.
I liked him in Chicago while playing forward in the year of the cup, but not liked him after the trade to Atlanta/Winnipeg.. Pretty much out of shape, not so fast and terrible behaviour off the ice

 

[DFC]

Inconsistent player to me.
I liked him in Chicago while playing forward in the year of the cup, but not liked him after the trade to Atlanta/Winnipeg.. Pretty much out of shape, not so fast and terrible behaviour off the ice

I wouldn't mind him, despite all this, but he'd cost half the team to acquire.

 

[LTIR Trickery]

What do you guys think about Dustin Byfuglien of Winnipeg? Big guy at 6'5 260lbs, but skates well, 28 years old, plays both wing and RD. We need a large winger and a solid experienced RD, so it could help two problems for us. He makes a lot of money though, at almost 6m, so Purcell's 4.5m would definitely have to be part of the package going back. Winnipeg needs wingers, so maybe Purcell + Connolly. His weight may be an issue, and no idea what his personality is like. I don't follow Winnipeg much, but this seemed interesting to me. Thoughts welcome.

Pass. Just... meh.

 

[JFleegs]

What do you guys think about Dustin Byfuglien of Winnipeg? Big guy at 6'5 260lbs, but skates well, 28 years old, plays both wing and RD. We need a large winger and a solid experienced RD, so it could help two problems for us. He makes a lot of money though, at almost 6m, so Purcell's 4.5m would definitely have to be part of the package going back. Winnipeg needs wingers, so maybe Purcell + Connolly. His weight may be an issue, and no idea what his personality is like. I don't follow Winnipeg much, but this seemed interesting to me. Thoughts welcome.

funny you ask his personality, I met him at the Ahl allstar classic ended up on the same elevator haha. He was actually a really cool down to earth funny dude. I've met some other hockey players and a lot are ver entitled. Although most that are seem to not have what it takes to make the nhl, and usually float around in the Ahl team to team.

Anyway that price tag is quite a bit but the cap is raising, so maybe? Yeah purcell and that contract need to go asap.

 

[jayslightning79]

Agree and disagree.

I do see him being our 5-6 guy. Yet that is cause of others koekkoek probably carle hedman and gudas being our top four of future.

Besides bishop barbs has the best BY FAR first pass on this team and we are going to have a lot of speedy shifty guys who can go for those long stretch break aways. So his worth one day might be truly a lot more than you think. I also see barbs as very smart hockey IQ is size and being able to pick spots to puck battle board work that he needs work on and that will all come in time.

He barberio is going to be a very very valuable guy for us if he remains here long term.

You forgot to mention he's the only Gdamn Dmen (except for Hedman) who can find a way to shoot the puck at the net, instead of hitting the opposite player's shin.

 

[Sky04]

You forgot to mention he's the only Gdamn Dmen (except for Hedman) who can find a way to shoot the puck at the net, instead of hitting the opposite player's shin.

Funny you mention that because Barbs has done nothing but hit opposing players with his shot as of late, I don't get him sometimes, everyone's so high on his offensive ability, but he has terrible decision making on the point, he opts to pass instead of shooting with a clear lane, he slows the play down when the puck needs to be moved asap, and shoots at the worst possible times.

His best chances have been when he has made smart pinches to go in a little deep, but he's extremely shaky on the point and has a bad habit of watching the puck for a second or 2 before reacting to the play there's a reason why the Hedman/Barbs pairing gives up so many god damn breakaways. Teams with an aggressive forecheck absolutely destroy this pairing, I shutter to think what they'd look like against Boston together.

 

[Jacko95]

The top core under 25 thread on the main board made me think (again) about our future roster once MSL is retired:

Palat-Stamkos-Killorn/Erne
Drouin-Namestnikov-Kucherov
Killorn/Erne-T.Johnson-Panik/Brown
Thompson-Paquette-???

I don't see a place for both Namestnikov and Filppula

Hedman-Koekkoek
Carle-Gudas/Sustr
Barberio-Gudas/Sustr
Witkowski, Nesterov

Bishop
Vasilevskiy

This roster lacks almost nothing IMO, but I am not quit happy with the first line right wing.
I don't want to give it to Kucherov, because it doesn't make sense to have two snipers on one line. So we are either able to convert Filppula or Namestnikov to that spot or have to go for a Free Agent, draft somebody or trade for one.

I don't belief Connolly will have any future in Tampa and IMO he walks closer to bust every day.

What are your thoughts?