flapanthersfan
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i think my response in the context of the "blame the coach again" discussion was justified and perfectly fine.
you bring up deboer in every friggen thread. enough already. he's gone.
i don't really see this team or dineen in the same category as any of those. i don't think we've even really established an identity, either. we were certainly never hard to play against under dineen.
for the record, i never compared dineen or our team to those coaches. just that the systems they run are comparable/identical and have had success in the NHL.
i'm sure dineen is trying. unfortunately for him, that's not a valid defense of his job. other coaches are trying and are fielding teams that play with more structure and compete harder.
he's the same coach he was last year who took a very average roster to the playoffs and within one game (goal) of the second round.
to sit here and question his coaching ability after a bad 15 game stretch and try to put the blame solely on his shoulders is silly.
and i'm with you regarding accountability. however, this is not a team of kovalevs and parroses; the team has some decent (at worst) 2 way forwards who right now are not doing what they need to do. maybe what you are talking about is a culture problem? i think it's possible, and that would be as much on tallon as dineen (not to mention jovo... but that goes back to tallon).
trust me - i'm not absolving tallon of his mistakes. he's made plenty.
but this roster is not filled with "good two way forwards" anymore and thats my point.
huberdeau was hilariously terrible defensively. he's gotten better lately. that's a product of coaching. but he's still not good by any means.
mueller is not a two way forward
fleishmann is not a two-way forward
versteeg is not a two way forward
they are all strictly offensive. that's fine, if you have your bottom-2 lines filled with responsible players or players who you can pair the liabilities with. but we don't
kovalev is TERRIBLE defensively. Parros is just as bad. that's obvious
Skille is not very good either (and after watching the replay, is who was responsible for the game tying goal today).
Kopecky, Goc, Weiss and Shore (a rookie) are the only guys i see as legitimate two-way players. and Weiss isn't playing like it for whatever reason.
that leaves 3 out of our 12 forwards who dineen can rely on. that's not enough. not close to being enough.
John Madden is gone. Sturm is gone. Samuelsson's gone. Bergenheim's gone. all very good defensive forwards.
this isn't the same personnel and it's showing.
the players we do have need to start paying attention to detail or we need to get rid of them. especially kovalev and parros. i can live with the others blowing some coverages if at least they're trying and/or producing offensively.
if you want to talk coaching mistakes; i'll give you this. what the **** is Alex Kovalev doing playing the point with 10 minutes left and a 2-goal lead?
what the hell are Huberdeau and Skille doing on the ice with 10 seconds left of a one-goal game?
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