1st round prospect grade (2011)

[OrangeAndBlackMetal]

His opinion is obviously more valuable than ours.

why even post this? you obviously didn't read anything that's been said.

 

[CanadianHockey]

What grade you guys put to 1st rounders?

1 1 Edmonton Ryan Nugent-Hopkins C Red Deer Rebels [WHL] 8.5C
1 2 Colorado Gabriel Landeskog R Kitchener Rangers [OHL] 8C
1 3 Florida Jonathan Huberdeau C Saint John Sea Dogs [QMJHL] 8C
1 4 New Jersey Adam Larsson D Skelleftea HC [SEL] 8.5C
1 5 NY Islanders Ryan Strome C Niagara IceDogs [OHL] 8C
1 6 Ottawa Mika Zibanejad Djurgardens IF Stockholm [SEL] 8C
1 7 Winnipeg Mark Scheifele C Barrie Colts [OHL] 7.5C
1 8 Philadelphia Sean Couturier C Drummondville Voltigeurs [QMJHL] 8D
1 9 Boston Dougie Hamilton D Niagara IceDogs [OHL] 8C
1 10 Minnesota Jonas Brodin D Farjestads BK Karlstad [SEL] 7.5B
1 11 Colorado Duncan Siemens D Saskatoon Blades [WHL] 7.5C
1 12 Carolina Ryan Murphy D Kitchener Rangers [OHL] 8.5D
1 13 Calgary Sven Bartschi L Portland Winterhawks [WHL] 8C
1 14 Dallas Jamie Oleksiak D Northeastern University [H-East] 7.5C
1 15 NY Rangers J.T. Miller F U.S. National Development Team [USHL] 7C
1 16 Buffalo Joel Armia F Assat Pori [SM-liiga] 7.5C
1 17 Mtl. Canadiens Nathan Beaulieu D Saint John Sea Dogs [QMJHL] 7.5C
1 18 Chicago Mark McNeill C Prince Albert Raiders [WHL] 7.5C
1 19 Edmonton Oscar Klefbom D Farjestads BK Karlstad [SEL] 7C
1 20 Phoenix Connor Murphy D U.S. National Development Team [USHL] 7C
1 21 Ottawa Stefan Noesen R Plymouth Whalers [OHL] 7.5D
1 22 Toronto Tyler Biggs R U.S. National Development Team [USHL] 7B
1 23 Pittsburgh Joe Morrow D Portland Winterhawks [WHL] 7C
1 24 Ottawa Matt Puempel L Peterborough Petes [OHL] 7.5C
1 25 Toronto Stuart Percy D Mississauga St. Michael's Majors [OHL] 7B
1 26 Chicago Phillip Danault L Victoriaville Tigres [QMJHL] 6.5B
1 27 Tampa Bay Vladislav Namestnikov C London Knights [OHL] 7.5D
1 28 Minnesota Zack Phillips C Saint John Sea Dogs [QMJHL] 7B
1 29 Vancouver Nicklas Jensen R Oshawa Generals [OHL] 7C
1 30 Anaheim Rickard Rakell C Plymouth Whalers [OHL] 7.5D


what you guys think of that?

Pretty awesome ranking I think. Just made a few changes (underlined).

 

[NUhockey]

why even post this? you obviously didn't read anything that's been said.

You're right, I sort of didn't. It's just your arguments come off as a bit pretentious/biased. Couturier becoming the best player out of this draft is a rogue opinion to have considering his drop off/okay at best playoff performance. I am simply trying to find the most accurate assessment of these players coming out of the draft. Your opinion isn't laughable though, it could very well become true.

 

[regehr]

Here's how I see it:

1 1 Edmonton Ryan Nugent-Hopkins C Red Deer Rebels [WHL] 9.0C
1 2 Colorado Gabriel Landeskog R Kitchener Rangers [OHL] 8.0B
1 3 Florida Jonathan Huberdeau C Saint John Sea Dogs [QMJHL] 8.5C
1 4 New Jersey Adam Larsson D Skelleftea HC [SEL] 8.0B
1 5 NY Islanders Ryan Strome C Niagara IceDogs [OHL] 8.0C
1 6 Ottawa Mika Zibanejad Djurgardens IF Stockholm [SEL] 7.5B
1 7 Winnipeg Mark Scheifele C Barrie Colts [OHL] 7.5C
1 8 Philadelphia Sean Couturier C Drummondville Voltigeurs [QMJHL] 8.0C
1 9 Boston Dougie Hamilton D Niagara IceDogs [OHL] 8.0C
1 10 Minnesota Jonas Brodin D Farjestads BK Karlstad [SEL] 7.5B
1 11 Colorado Duncan Siemens D Saskatoon Blades [WHL] 7.5C
1 12 Carolina Ryan Murphy D Kitchener Rangers [OHL] 8.5D
1 13 Calgary Sven Bartschi L Portland Winterhawks [WHL] 7.5C
1 14 Dallas Jamie Oleksiak D Northeastern University [H-East] 7.5C
1 15 NY Rangers J.T. Miller F U.S. National Development Team [USHL] 7.0B
1 16 Buffalo Joel Armia F Assat Pori [SM-liiga] 7.5C
1 17 Mtl. Canadiens Nathan Beaulieu D Saint John Sea Dogs [QMJHL] 7.5C
1 18 Chicago Mark McNeill C Prince Albert Raiders [WHL] 7.5C
1 19 Edmonton Oscar Klefbom D Farjestads BK Karlstad [SEL] 7.5C
1 20 Phoenix Connor Murphy D U.S. National Development Team [USHL] 7.5D
1 21 Ottawa Stefan Noesen R Plymouth Whalers [OHL] 7.5D
1 22 Toronto Tyler Biggs R U.S. National Development Team [USHL] 7.0B
1 23 Pittsburgh Joe Morrow D Portland Winterhawks [WHL] 7.5C
1 24 Ottawa Matt Puempel L Peterborough Petes [OHL] 7.5C
1 25 Toronto Stuart Percy D Mississauga St. Michael's Majors [OHL] 7.0B
1 26 Chicago Phillip Danault L Victoriaville Tigres [QMJHL] 7.0B
1 27 Tampa Bay Vladislav Namestnikov C London Knights [OHL] 7.5C
1 28 Minnesota Zack Phillips C Saint John Sea Dogs [QMJHL] 7.5D
1 29 Vancouver Nicklas Jensen R Oshawa Generals [OHL] 7.0C
1 30 Anaheim Rickard Rakell C Plymouth Whalers [OHL] 7.0C

 

[Rhaego]

if any player in this draft had a "8.0B" rating he would have went first overall.

He is either a 8.0C or a 7.5B imo.

He went second overall so... Big difference

 

[TheBradyBunch]

1 1 Edmonton Ryan Nugent-Hopkins C Red Deer Rebels [WHL] 9.0C
1 2 Colorado Gabriel Landeskog R Kitchener Rangers [OHL] 7.5B
1 3 Florida Jonathan Huberdeau C Saint John Sea Dogs [QMJHL] 8.0C
1 4 New Jersey Adam Larsson D Skelleftea HC [SEL] 8.0C
1 5 NY Islanders Ryan Strome C Niagara IceDogs [OHL] 8.5D
1 6 Ottawa Mika Zibanejad Djurgardens IF Stockholm [SEL] 7.5C
1 7 Winnipeg Mark Scheifele C Barrie Colts [OHL] 7.5C
1 8 Philadelphia Sean Couturier C Drummondville Voltigeurs [QMJHL] 7.5C
1 9 Boston Dougie Hamilton D Niagara IceDogs [OHL] 7.5C
1 10 Minnesota Jonas Brodin D Farjestads BK Karlstad [SEL] 7.0B
1 11 Colorado Duncan Siemens D Saskatoon Blades [WHL] 7.0B
1 12 Carolina Ryan Murphy D Kitchener Rangers [OHL] 8.5D
1 13 Calgary Sven Bartschi L Portland Winterhawks [WHL] 7.5C
1 14 Dallas Jamie Oleksiak D Northeastern University [H-East] 7.5C
1 15 NY Rangers J.T. Miller F U.S. National Development Team [USHL] 7.0C
1 16 Buffalo Joel Armia F Assat Pori [SM-liiga] 7.5C
1 17 Mtl. Canadiens Nathan Beaulieu D Saint John Sea Dogs [QMJHL] 7.5C
1 18 Chicago Mark McNeill C Prince Albert Raiders [WHL] 7.0C
1 19 Edmonton Oscar Klefbom D Farjestads BK Karlstad [SEL] 7.0C
1 20 Phoenix Connor Murphy D U.S. National Development Team [USHL] 7.0C
1 21 Ottawa Stefan Noesen R Plymouth Whalers [OHL] 7.0C
1 22 Toronto Tyler Biggs R U.S. National Development Team [USHL] 7.0C
1 23 Pittsburgh Joe Morrow D Portland Winterhawks [WHL] 7.0C
1 24 Ottawa Matt Puempel L Peterborough Petes [OHstemL] 8.0D
1 25 Toronto Stuart Percy D Mississauga St. Michael's Majors [OHL] 7.0C
1 26 Chicago Phillip Danault L Victoriaville Tigres [QMJHL] 7.5D
1 27 Tampa Bay Vladislav Namestnikov C London Knights [OHL] 7.5C
1 28 Minnesota Zack Phillips C Saint John Sea Dogs [QMJHL] 7.0C
1 29 Vancouver Nicklas Jensen R Oshawa Generals [OHL] 7.0C
1 30 Anaheim Rickard Rakell C Plymouth Whalers [OHL] 7.0C

A bit more conservetive.

Easily the best Ive seen. A couple are too conservative because when anyone makes a ranking they compare and rank the players against each other rather than as actual projection (the ranking system is pretty broad)... so that is very excusable. That massive run on sentence I just wrote is not, but whatever. Hopefully I got the point across.

 

[Dutch Dreams]

1 1 Edmonton Ryan Nugent-Hopkins C Red Deer Rebels [WHL] 8.0C
1 2 Colorado Gabriel Landeskog R Kitchener Rangers [OHL] 7.5B
1 3 Florida Jonathan Huberdeau C Saint John Sea Dogs [QMJHL] 8.0C
1 4 New Jersey Adam Larsson D Skelleftea HC [SEL] 8.0C
1 5 NY Islanders Ryan Strome C Niagara IceDogs [OHL] 8.0C
1 6 Ottawa Mika Zibanejad Djurgardens IF Stockholm [SEL] 7.5C
1 7 Winnipeg Mark Scheifele C Barrie Colts [OHL] 7.5C
1 8 Philadelphia Sean Couturier C Drummondville Voltigeurs [QMJHL] 7.5C
1 9 Boston Dougie Hamilton D Niagara IceDogs [OHL] 7.5C
1 10 Minnesota Jonas Brodin D Farjestads BK Karlstad [SEL] 7.5C
1 11 Colorado Duncan Siemens D Saskatoon Blades [WHL] 7.5C
1 12 Carolina Ryan Murphy D Kitchener Rangers [OHL] 8.0D
1 13 Calgary Sven Bartschi L Portland Winterhawks [WHL] 7.5C
1 14 Dallas Jamie Oleksiak D Northeastern University [H-East] 7.5C
1 15 NY Rangers J.T. Miller F U.S. National Development Team [USHL] 7.5C
1 16 Buffalo Joel Armia F Assat Pori [SM-liiga] 7.5C
1 17 Mtl. Canadiens Nathan Beaulieu D Saint John Sea Dogs [QMJHL] 7.5C
1 18 Chicago Mark McNeill C Prince Albert Raiders [WHL] 7.5C
1 19 Edmonton Oscar Klefbom D Farjestads BK Karlstad [SEL] 8.0C
1 20 Phoenix Connor Murphy D U.S. National Development Team [USHL] 7.5C
1 21 Ottawa Stefan Noesen R Plymouth Whalers [OHL] 7.5C
1 22 Toronto Tyler Biggs R U.S. National Development Team [USHL] 7.5C
1 23 Pittsburgh Joe Morrow D Portland Winterhawks [WHL] 7.5C
1 24 Ottawa Matt Puempel L Peterborough Petes [OHL] 8.0C
1 25 Toronto Stuart Percy D Mississauga St. Michael's Majors [OHL] 7.5C
1 26 Chicago Phillip Danault L Victoriaville Tigres [QMJHL] 7.0C
1 27 Tampa Bay Vladislav Namestnikov C London Knights [OHL] 7.5D
1 28 Minnesota Zack Phillips C Saint John Sea Dogs [QMJHL] 7.5D
1 29 Vancouver Nicklas Jensen R Oshawa Generals [OHL] 7.5C
1 30 Anaheim Rickard Rakell C Plymouth Whalers [OHL 7.0C

 

[The Wumpus]

HF has Jon Merrill as an 8.0C. That would make Adam Larsson at least an 8.5C or 8.0B, as he is easily the more highly-regarded prospect.

 

[Haute Couturier]

1 1 Edmonton Ryan Nugent-Hopkins C Red Deer Rebels [WHL] 8.5C
1 2 Colorado Gabriel Landeskog R Kitchener Rangers [OHL] 7.5B
1 3 Florida Jonathan Huberdeau C Saint John Sea Dogs [QMJHL] 8C
1 4 New Jersey Adam Larsson D Skelleftea HC [SEL] 8.5B
1 5 NY Islanders Ryan Strome C Niagara IceDogs [OHL] 8C
1 6 Ottawa Mika Zibanejad Djurgardens IF Stockholm [SEL] 8C
1 7 Winnipeg Mark Scheifele C Barrie Colts [OHL] 7C
1 8 Philadelphia Sean Couturier C Drummondville Voltigeurs [QMJHL] 8.5C
1 9 Boston Dougie Hamilton D Niagara IceDogs [OHL] 8B
1 10 Minnesota Jonas Brodin D Farjestads BK Karlstad [SEL] 7B
1 11 Colorado Duncan Siemens D Saskatoon Blades [WHL] 7C
1 12 Carolina Ryan Murphy D Kitchener Rangers [OHL] 8.5D
1 13 Calgary Sven Bartschi L Portland Winterhawks [WHL] 7.5C
1 14 Dallas Jamie Oleksiak D Northeastern University [H-East] 7C
1 15 NY Rangers J.T. Miller F U.S. National Development Team [USHL] 7.5 C
1 16 Buffalo Joel Armia F Assat Pori [SM-liiga] 7.5B
1 17 Mtl. Canadiens Nathan Beaulieu D Saint John Sea Dogs [QMJHL] 7.5C
1 18 Chicago Mark McNeill C Prince Albert Raiders [WHL] 7.5B
1 19 Edmonton Oscar Klefbom D Farjestads BK Karlstad [SEL] 7.5C
1 20 Phoenix Connor Murphy D U.S. National Development Team [USHL] 7D
1 21 Ottawa Stefan Noesen R Plymouth Whalers [OHL] 7C
1 22 Toronto Tyler Biggs R U.S. National Development Team [USHL] 7C
1 23 Pittsburgh Joe Morrow D Portland Winterhawks [WHL] 7.5C
1 24 Ottawa Matt Puempel L Peterborough Petes [OHL] 7.5C
1 25 Toronto Stuart Percy D Mississauga St. Michael's Majors [OHL] 7C
1 26 Chicago Phillip Danault L Victoriaville Tigres [QMJHL] 6.5B
1 27 Tampa Bay Vladislav Namestnikov C London Knights [OHL] 7C
1 28 Minnesota Zack Phillips C Saint John Sea Dogs [QMJHL] 7.5C
1 29 Vancouver Nicklas Jensen R Oshawa Generals [OHL] 6C
1 30 Anaheim Rickard Rakell C Plymouth Whalers [OHL] 6C

 

[GetThePuckOut]

Strome's upside is as high as anyone in the draft.

You know, I think there's a good chance Colorado comes to regret their pick, if Huberdeau and Strome are both offensive juggernauts, and Landeskog is a 60 point player.

Landeskog is sure to be good, but if there are a couple superstars getting drafted after him it might look real bad down the road for Colorado.

 

[firstimekeeperpoolie]

Looks like a few of the teams have been updated, Oil, Jets, Flames.

RNH 8.5c
Klefbom 8.0c
Scheifle 7.5c
Baertschi 8.0c

Congrats to JuicyRebound for almost being bang on his predictions.

Anyone know when the rest come up?

 

[Devilspuppet666]

Strome's upside is as high as anyone in the draft.

not more than RHN, Larsson, or Landskog

 

[Minnewildsota]

1 1 Edmonton Ryan Nugent-Hopkins C Red Deer Rebels [WHL] 8.5C
1 2 Colorado Gabriel Landeskog R Kitchener Rangers [OHL] 7.5B
1 3 Florida Jonathan Huberdeau C Saint John Sea Dogs [QMJHL] 8C
1 4 New Jersey Adam Larsson D Skelleftea HC [SEL] 8.5B
1 5 NY Islanders Ryan Strome C Niagara IceDogs [OHL] 8C
1 6 Ottawa Mika Zibanejad Djurgardens IF Stockholm [SEL] 8C
1 7 Winnipeg Mark Scheifele C Barrie Colts [OHL] 7C
1 8 Philadelphia Sean Couturier C Drummondville Voltigeurs [QMJHL] 8.5C
1 9 Boston Dougie Hamilton D Niagara IceDogs [OHL] 8B
1 10 Minnesota Jonas Brodin D Farjestads BK Karlstad [SEL] ∞A
1 11 Colorado Duncan Siemens D Saskatoon Blades [WHL] 7C
1 12 Carolina Ryan Murphy D Kitchener Rangers [OHL] 8.5D
1 13 Calgary Sven Bartschi L Portland Winterhawks [WHL] 7.5C
1 14 Dallas Jamie Oleksiak D Northeastern University [H-East] 7C
1 15 NY Rangers J.T. Miller F U.S. National Development Team [USHL] 7.5 C
1 16 Buffalo Joel Armia F Assat Pori [SM-liiga] 7.5B
1 17 Mtl. Canadiens Nathan Beaulieu D Saint John Sea Dogs [QMJHL] 7.5C
1 18 Chicago Mark McNeill C Prince Albert Raiders [WHL] 7.5B
1 19 Edmonton Oscar Klefbom D Farjestads BK Karlstad [SEL] 7.5C
1 20 Phoenix Connor Murphy D U.S. National Development Team [USHL] 7D
1 21 Ottawa Stefan Noesen R Plymouth Whalers [OHL] 7C
1 22 Toronto Tyler Biggs R U.S. National Development Team [USHL] 7C
1 23 Pittsburgh Joe Morrow D Portland Winterhawks [WHL] 7.5C
1 24 Ottawa Matt Puempel L Peterborough Petes [OHL] 7.5C
1 25 Toronto Stuart Percy D Mississauga St. Michael's Majors [OHL] 7C
1 26 Chicago Phillip Danault L Victoriaville Tigres [QMJHL] 6.5B
1 27 Tampa Bay Vladislav Namestnikov C London Knights [OHL] 7C
1 28 Minnesota Zack Phillips C Saint John Sea Dogs [QMJHL] 7.5C
1 29 Vancouver Nicklas Jensen R Oshawa Generals [OHL] 6C
1 30 Anaheim Rickard Rakell C Plymouth Whalers [OHL] 6C

Updated for realistic measures.

 

[hskates21*]

not more than RHN, Larsson, or Landskog

Strome is currently improving more than any of those players

 

[Toydarian]

Strome is currently improving more than any of those players

It is the off-season, how the heck are you able to make that statement.

 

[Lehner]

Strome is currently improving more than any of those players

One fancy shoot-out goal doesnt = improving.

He wasnt even noticeable in the red vs white camp.

 

[ESH]

1 1 Edmonton Ryan Nugent-Hopkins C Red Deer Rebels [WHL] 8.5C
1 2 Colorado Gabriel Landeskog R Kitchener Rangers [OHL] 7.5B
1 3 Florida Jonathan Huberdeau C Saint John Sea Dogs [QMJHL] 8C
1 4 New Jersey Adam Larsson D Skelleftea HC [SEL] 8.5B
1 5 NY Islanders Ryan Strome C Niagara IceDogs [OHL] 8C
1 6 Ottawa Mika Zibanejad Djurgardens IF Stockholm [SEL] 8C
1 7 Winnipeg Mark Scheifele C Barrie Colts [OHL] 7C
1 8 Philadelphia Sean Couturier C Drummondville Voltigeurs [QMJHL] 8.5C
1 9 Boston Dougie Hamilton D Niagara IceDogs [OHL] 8B
1 10 Minnesota Jonas Brodin D Farjestads BK Karlstad [SEL] ∞A
1 11 Colorado Duncan Siemens D Saskatoon Blades [WHL] 7C
1 12 Carolina Ryan Murphy D Kitchener Rangers [OHL] 8.5D
1 13 Calgary Sven Bartschi L Portland Winterhawks [WHL] 7.5C
1 14 Dallas Jamie Oleksiak D Northeastern University [H-East] 7C
1 15 NY Rangers J.T. Miller F U.S. National Development Team [USHL] 7.5 C
1 16 Buffalo Joel Armia F Assat Pori [SM-liiga] 7.5B
1 17 Mtl. Canadiens Nathan Beaulieu D Saint John Sea Dogs [QMJHL] 7.5C
1 18 Chicago Mark McNeill C Prince Albert Raiders [WHL] 7.5B
1 19 Edmonton Oscar Klefbom D Farjestads BK Karlstad [SEL] 7.5C
1 20 Phoenix Connor Murphy D U.S. National Development Team [USHL] 7D
1 21 Ottawa Stefan Noesen R Plymouth Whalers [OHL] 7C
1 22 Toronto Tyler Biggs R U.S. National Development Team [USHL] 7C
1 23 Pittsburgh Joe Morrow D Portland Winterhawks [WHL] 7.5C
1 24 Ottawa Matt Puempel L Peterborough Petes [OHL] 7.5C
1 25 Toronto Stuart Percy D Mississauga St. Michael's Majors [OHL] 7C
1 26 Chicago Phillip Danault L Victoriaville Tigres [QMJHL] 6.5B
1 27 Tampa Bay Vladislav Namestnikov C London Knights [OHL] 7C
1 28 Minnesota Zack Phillips C Saint John Sea Dogs [QMJHL] 7.5C
1 29 Vancouver Nicklas Jensen R Oshawa Generals [OHL] 6C
1 30 Anaheim Rickard Rakell C Plymouth Whalers [OHL] 6C

Updated for realistic measures.

They wouldn't have gone in the first round if those were their projections. According to HockeysFuture, that would mean they have an 80% chance of being a third-liner.

 

[jfb392]

Landeskog and Siemens both get 8.0C's.

 

[Rekker922]

Looks like a few of the teams have been updated, Oil, Jets, Flames.

RNH 8.5c
Klefbom 8.0c
Scheifle 7.5c
Baertschi 8.0c

Congrats to JuicyRebound for almost being bang on his predictions.

Anyone know when the rest come up?

Colorado's rankings came out today.

Landeskog 8.0C
Siemens 8.0C

 

[thestonedkoala]

Siemens = Klefblom? Really?

 

[Jabba11]

Jonathan Huberdeau - 8.5C or 8.0C would be logical.

 

[hskates21*]

It is the off-season, how the heck are you able to make that statement.

I worded that wrong I meant he's improved the most from season 1 of juniors to season 2 of juniors and that trend could continue

 

[Rhaego]

Siemens = Klefblom? Really?

What should it be?

 

[R S]

I worded that wrong I meant he's improved the most from season 1 of juniors to season 2 of juniors and that trend could continue

Key word being could

Colorado's rankings came out today.

Landeskog 8.0C
Siemens 8.0C

Would like to see Landy as an 8.5C instead, but nothing to complain about I guess. The rankings truly mean absolutely nothing anyway.

Siemens = Klefblom? Really?

I would say they're pretty damn close. I know for a fact there were some teams that valued Klefbom more than Siemens.

 

[jmelm]

Siemens = Klefblom? Really?

In some rankings, Klefbom was rated more highly than Siemens. Klefbom has higher upside, but the risk with him is higher than Siemens.

Would like to see Landy as an 8.5C instead, but nothing to complain about I guess. The rankings truly mean absolutely nothing anyway.

I agree. I think Landeskog has better than 8.0 upside or he wouldn't have been the #2 pick.

As for the rankings, they are indeed irrelevant and only offer an extremely narrow view. That's why I've proposed to change them.