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Time for JB to go for the facelift to match his "new" hair.Happy Halloween!
Ok no that was my bad lmao.
Time for JB to go for the facelift to match his "new" hair.Happy Halloween!
Ok no that was my bad lmao.
Wrong.
Gillis needed to be fired for doing a poor job from July 1, 2011 - April 2014.
But I did not ask for this. I asked for competent management that would take this team into a rebuild. That's not what we got.
Wrong.
Gillis needed to be fired for doing a poor job from July 1, 2011 - April 2014.
But I did not ask for this. I asked for competent management that would take this team into a rebuild. That's not what we got.
Wrong.
While Gillis deserved to be fired, I would not have fired him, he IMO deserved more rope.
On a side note, I also wonder what the ownership should be taking blame for... for both GM's although with Benning i don't think it changes my opinion of the job he has done... I can't see a way to judge him that could make him seem competent.
Weren't you one of the ones who asked for this the most vocally?
I think it is long past time that you and the rest of the "fire Gillis" brigade apologize for your role in getting us into this mess.
When baby whines that his KIA isn't good enough so his dad gives him an Oldsmobile, it's still his fault for whining even though he wanted an aston martin.
So if Benning is fired and we get an even worse GM (assume that’s actually possible), are we all to “blame” as well? Because we didn’t want to ride a rusty unicycle with a flat tire we deserve a stick with hotwheels tires glued to?
IMHO, yes. If I'm advocating for something, and in hindsight, it turned out to be a mistake in my mind, I have to own my original position. I have to think about how did I come to that conclusion at the time? What was I missing? And it's perfectly fine to make mistakes, and change thoughts and opinions based on new information... and say, geez, I was sure wrong about that at that time. That's how to get to higher levels of the game, IMO. Those that aren't able to own and rise above their mistakes stay "stuck" to repeat the same errors.
What you are missing is that the future is unknowable and so you can’t hold a future poor outcome against people because they want to change a currently poor situation. Just like you can’t blame a person for leaving an abusive partner should they happen to wind up with another one someday. You can only assess the present, not the unknowable possibilities of the future.
If the future were entirely knowable then sure, but it’s not so I don’t see why dealing with an untenable present should be viewed poorly using hindsight.
What you are missing is that the future is unknowable and so you can’t hold a future poor outcome against people because they want to change a currently poor situation. Just like you can’t blame a person for leaving an abusive partner should they happen to wind up with another one someday. You can only assess the present, not the unknowable possibilities of the future.
If the future were entirely knowable then sure, but it’s not so I don’t see why dealing with an untenable present should be viewed poorly using hindsight.
What you are missing is that “we” didn’t hire Benning and won’t hire the next GM. We have no role in the GM who replaces the current one, but that doesn’t mean we should want or expect something better than the current situation.
Gillis had his flaws and I think replacing him was justified. Just because the owner went out and hired someone far worse doesn’t change the original position being true.
Sure you can. If you're not prepared to identify and assess where you were wrong, you're destined to repeat the same mistakes.
Sure, but the mistake was in making a poor choice again in the future, not for making the initial change. The initial change is still warranted regardless of the future choice. One doesn’t retroactively negate the other.
And since we (fans) never got to make the choice for Benning, I don’t see what mistake we could be learning from. Aquilini yes, but the fans? They didn’t make the choice. Maybe they should have chanted “Fire Gillis, Hire Yzerman”?
None of this is very serious stuff... This is all for fun, when talking about "blame" in this context. It shouldn't be taken very much to heart by anyone here if a mistake was made here by a poster. Aquilini made a big error and deserves much blame. Those that supported his decision, were wrong. Something to learn: As armchair fans who follow the game closely, what variables should we be looking for in determining what makes a great, good, and bad GM... When should a GM be fired? Why was the initial change warranted? You are talking like that is a fact? Yes, Gillis made a mistake. Yes, Gillis has a history of adapting. Yes, Gillis could have adapted. Yes, Gillis deserved the benefit of the doubt, given what he was able to accomplish as a new GM, who didn't quite have a handle on the "timing" given the NHL environment. Nothing he did, was warranted of a firing. His main problem is that he misjudged the "timing" of certain decisions. Something that was easily correctable with experience, and recognition of the error. Benning's main problem is that he is an idiot. This is much more difficult to correct.
It doesn't matter how much of an ******* Gillis was... or how big of a mistake he made... He was good enough that finding better would have always been difficult... and if you are not looking to replace him with better, why is he being replaced?
So if Benning is fired and we get an even worse GM (assume that’s actually possible), are we all to “blame” as well? Because we didn’t want to ride a rusty unicycle with a flat tire we deserve a stick with hotwheels tires glued to?
Ya I’m not taking it seriously but this is an interesting line of debate so I’m just pushing back a bit.
You’re right, Gillis didn’t 100% deserve to be fired i.e. it’s factual but it certainly is debatable. But I don’t see how it really matters. The point I’m advocating is that the performance of the subsequent GM is not relevant to the argument of whether Gillis “deserved” to be fired or whether it was a “good” decision. At the time of the firing, fans knew there were worse GMs out there as well as better ones. Therefore the support for change was based on the hope that we would get one of the “better” ones, just as our desire to be rid of Benning is based on an assumption that our next GM will be one of the “better” ones and not Chiarelli or Dorion. But we don’t know who the owner will hire and we don’t have input into that decision. For that reason it really doesn’t have any connection to the argument for change. They are separate processes and therefore the outcome of one does not change the argument for the other.
Canucks need to hire Gillis as President of hockey ops. That interview he had was incredible, any team would be lucky to have him.
1. Are you being ironic.
2. If not, which interview?
Do you live in a bubble? He just had an epic interview on tsn 1040.
Lol, I don't think not listening to the radio puts me in a bubble.
Is there a thread where this is being discussed?