I love arguments like this. It's not one isolated incident. I've seen the same stupid mistakes for 5+ years. Saying that if he scored the same logic should be applied is laughable. If scoring a goal like that was something he did on a consistent basis then sure it would make sense but that's not reality.It is useless cause the comment is off one random play which is always silly and pointless. I think he's inconsistent and constantly put in over his head (like most people on the team), and it would be nice to see if he could produce/develop on a real team but his opportunity here is clearly running on a short fuse.
Now if he had scored on the slap shot 30 secs earlier would he now be a top 2 defenseman? Hey look a silly judgement comment base on one play, hence my point.
My bigger concern with him is simply his commitment level, he never seems to have the stamina to hold up on longer shifts. Whether that's a training level thing or just as good as he can get at his size, who knows.
Sigh.
Do you realize the kid is 24 years old? In theory at least that means it's still possible for him to work on something and actually improve results.
Where it goes to face-offs, Hodgson has been working on it and thus far this season has seen improvement.
Not saying he came into this season some sorta face-off expert, or even solid. Not saying there won't/wouldn't be diminishing returns over a season. Not saying anything more than what the numbers say -
Thus far this season, Hodgson is the only regular face-off guy over 50%. 53.5% coming into this game. Good for ~10% more than the next guy (Girgensons).
Sheesh, is it possible to point out a single positive about a player without getting leaped on?
Shh... that never happened.
I love arguments like this. It's not one isolated incident. I've seen the same stupid mistakes for 5+ years. Saying that if he scored the same logic should be applied is laughable. If scoring a goal like that was something he did on a consistent basis then sure it would make sense but that's not reality.
Stop acting like it's based on one play. If you had a kid who spilled his milk every few dinners are you saying it's not okay to tell them to stop it because for that night it's an isolated dinner? Or would you say "Hey ******* you've been spilling your milk for the last 5 years I think you might be Pejorative Slured."?
Anyway, the goal was a product of the team not being able to get the puck out of there own zone on an extremely long shift, rather than a single individual breakdown. But whatever, let the agendas flow.
Anyway, the goal was a product of the team not being able to get the puck out of there own zone on an extremely long shift, rather than a single individual breakdown. But whatever, let the agendas flow.
Did a bolt of lightning hit you when you made the agenda comment?
I hope this was said with some sense of irony.
Sigh.
Do you realize the kid is 24 years old? In theory at least that means it's still possible for him to work on something and actually improve results.
Where it goes to face-offs, Hodgson has been working on it and thus far this season has seen improvement.
Not saying he came into this season some sorta face-off expert, or even solid. Not saying there won't/wouldn't be diminishing returns over a season. Not saying anything more than what the numbers say -
Thus far this season, Hodgson is the only regular face-off guy over 50%. 53.5% coming into this game. Good for ~10% more than the next guy (Girgensons).
Sheesh, is it possible to point out a single positive about a player without getting leaped on?
How 'bout give him the Hodgson treatment?
Using your description, don't see how they're any different? Well except for Hodgson being younger and regularly reliable to take face-offs.
What a bunch of losers, doing loser stuff for the ten millionth time.
There is going to be a huge Stalinesque purge coming soon!
You think a born loser like Drew Stafford will be on this team when the tank is over?
COHO will be gone too; ditto Ennis.
These guys are serving their purpose now, while the object is to lose.
No big deal.
I don't get it...
You -do- realize that you're one of the main/most vocal posters on the board that posts "agenda" stuff about certain players on the team, right?
No, I didnt realize that. What's my agenda?
I love arguments like this. It's not one isolated incident. I've seen the same stupid mistakes for 5+ years. Saying that if he scored the same logic should be applied is laughable. If scoring a goal like that was something he did on a consistent basis then sure it would make sense but that's not reality.
Stop acting like it's based on one play. If you had a kid who spilled his milk every few dinners are you saying it's not okay to tell them to stop it because for that night it's an isolated dinner? Or would you say "Hey ******* you've been spilling your milk for the last 5 years I think you might be Pejorative Slured."?
Did I say it was an isolated incident? No.
Random bad plays/mistakes can be found on literally every player in the NHL. That was my main point on the original comment. Picking one play and saying "THIS IS WAY HE'S NEVER GOING TO BE BLAH BLAH BLAH" is stupid. You picked up the torch and ran with it, and that's equally stupid regardless of the realities of Myer's play/development. One play doesn't indicate anything, end of story.
You have your own agenda, and that's fine, mine is I hate hyperbolic stupidity, nobody said Myers was a #1 outside of peoples own projections of what they want him to become. I don't think he'll ever get to that #1, but even projecting him to that speaks of delusion, because there's at best 10 or so players in the entire league who I'd consider "#1" defenseman. So apparently a few other teams are in the same situation.
If Myers had scored on that slapshot, he'd be the hero and many would hold, "on his way to #1" which is equally stupid. He's still young for a defenseman, and clearly asked to do too much, and any single play doesn't signify much of anything, which was my point which you've been able to elude so well.
He dumped the puck while trying not to lose a game after the crap about the Toronto failure (a whole other issue), and it resulted in an icing. HE WILL NEVER BE A #1. Good logic on that, hence why my comparison is equally valid.
The bolded is what started this back and forth. Its a complete crock. He is not a reliable face-off man thats taking face-offs on a regular basis. The last two seasons, when he led the team in face-offs taken with 802 and 969 respectively, he averaged 46.8% both years. He is no longer taking face-offs on regular basis. Its great that him getting removed from being a regular at face-offs has led to a nice uptick. But no longer having to take many draws nor many tough ones is why there is an uptick. Not because he has become a face-off master.
And 24 years old for a forward is not young.
Why do you think that 24 is so young for a forward former 1st round pick, who is on year 5 in the nhl? He's at least a third of his way thru his career.
Everytime I see Marchand, I hear "always after me lucky charms!"
And that's why Myers will never be a #1, just doesn't have the head for the game