Boston Bruins ‘22-‘23 Bruins roster and trade proposals discussions. IV

[UConn126]

I think you can get away at going TDL shopping with the Blues...my three targets:

Barbashev (2.25) UFA - Can play any position in the top nine. Led the team last year in hits and has skill to go along with it. Last years 60 point season was an anomaly due to a really high shooting percentage but he goes to all the dirty areas and has cup experience to go along with it.

Acciari (1.25) UFA - What more can I say about Noel than you already know...he would fit on the 4th line like a glove and can slide over to the middle for important center depth. An upgrade on Greer.

Bortuzzo (950k) - Expires in 2024 so you get an extra year with Bortuzzo. He has certainly declined a bit over the years but he is a right shot, physical, PK specialist. He would be the perfect fit as the teams 7th defenseman and could take over the Cliffy role next year if things work out. An ideal fit on the backend.

The contracts add up to 4.45 so that amount would need to be going out in any deal with the Blues. Let's say you add Smith and Reilly to make money work and use one of the 1st round picks in 2023 or 2024. Blues fans think Barbashev is worth a 2nd and Acciari a 3rd. Let's say Bortuzzo is somewhere around a 4th round pick, the value doesn't seem too far off.

I get moving a 1st round pick for someone outside of Patty Kane and Horvat doesn't get anyone excited but they really aren't what the Bruins need at all. I would much rather go to war with some tough SOB's

Marchand Bergeron Debrusk
Zacha Krejci Pastrnak
Hall Coyle Barbashev
Foligno Acciari Frederic
Greer/Nosek

Gryz McAvoy
Lindholm Carlo
Forbort Cliffy
Zboril/Bortuzzo

I proposed Zboril for Bortuzzo. Actually saves is cap and gives us a veteran to replace Cliffy next year, and the Blues get the younger player with upside if he can get in the lineup consistently. I like the idea of Acciari for depth, too. Knows most of the room and again, cheap cap hit. Could probably acquire for a mid prospect, and we don't give up depth for cap space. Don't think we need Barbashev, Freddy's having a career year and bringing it every night. Nosek's not lighting it up but he's 58% at the dot and valuable on the PK.

Playoff roster when there's no cap:

Your top 6
Hall-Coyle-Freddy
Foligno-Nosek-Acciari
Greer-Smith-Wagner-Lauko

Swap Zboril for Reilly as your reserve. That is a DEEP roster.

No offense man but I’m not putting any stock in a model that has Trent Frederic rated 25% higher than David Pastrnak.

It must really value dropping the gloves lol

 

[WhalerTurnedBruin55]

Sweeney has been very good at getting guys re-signed. Pastrnak wants to be here. I just don’t see him leaving.

I don't take any assumption either direction. I just know he hasn't re-signed.

Will he? Hope so. But I'm not penciling him in the lineup until it's official.

 

[WhalerTurnedBruin55]

I think you can get away at going TDL shopping with the Blues...my three targets:

Barbashev (2.25) UFA - Can play any position in the top nine. Led the team last year in hits and has skill to go along with it. Last years 60 point season was an anomaly due to a really high shooting percentage but he goes to all the dirty areas and has cup experience to go along with it.

Acciari (1.25) UFA - What more can I say about Noel than you already know...he would fit on the 4th line like a glove and can slide over to the middle for important center depth. An upgrade on Greer.

Bortuzzo (950k) - Expires in 2024 so you get an extra year with Bortuzzo. He has certainly declined a bit over the years but he is a right shot, physical, PK specialist. He would be the perfect fit as the teams 7th defenseman and could take over the Cliffy role next year if things work out. An ideal fit on the backend.

The contracts add up to 4.45 so that amount would need to be going out in any deal with the Blues. Let's say you add Smith and Reilly to make money work and use one of the 1st round picks in 2023 or 2024. Blues fans think Barbashev is worth a 2nd and Acciari a 3rd. Let's say Bortuzzo is somewhere around a 4th round pick, the value doesn't seem too far off.

I get moving a 1st round pick for someone outside of Patty Kane and Horvat doesn't get anyone excited but they really aren't what the Bruins need at all. I would much rather go to war with some tough SOB's

Marchand Bergeron Debrusk
Zacha Krejci Pastrnak
Hall Coyle Barbashev
Foligno Acciari Frederic
Greer/Nosek

Gryz McAvoy
Lindholm Carlo
Forbort Cliffy
Zboril/Bortuzzo

Honestly those targets are probably the most realistic ones I've seen mentioned.

Moving them gives us 1. Depth 2. Cap relief

2 overpaid players + a pick for 3 depth players

If they take Reilly's contract, and we get the players we need, works out.

Wonder if Monty has any feedback or requests from management.

 

[RussellmaniaKW]

Nope only for some. Pretty simple on the ice for more goals for/against. And yes I know sometimes it isn’t fair but over 82 games it works out. Case in point Bobby Orr. Stat shows he was the most dominant player ever. You think it’s a bad stat for a guy like Bergeron?

in 2007 Bergeron was a -28 and Chara was a -21

 

[DominicT]

I think you can get away at going TDL shopping with the Blues...my three targets:

Barbashev (2.25) UFA - Can play any position in the top nine. Led the team last year in hits and has skill to go along with it. Last years 60 point season was an anomaly due to a really high shooting percentage but he goes to all the dirty areas and has cup experience to go along with it.

Acciari (1.25) UFA - What more can I say about Noel than you already know...he would fit on the 4th line like a glove and can slide over to the middle for important center depth. An upgrade on Greer.

Bortuzzo (950k) - Expires in 2024 so you get an extra year with Bortuzzo. He has certainly declined a bit over the years but he is a right shot, physical, PK specialist. He would be the perfect fit as the teams 7th defenseman and could take over the Cliffy role next year if things work out. An ideal fit on the backend.

The contracts add up to 4.45 so that amount would need to be going out in any deal with the Blues. Let's say you add Smith and Reilly to make money work and use one of the 1st round picks in 2023 or 2024. Blues fans think Barbashev is worth a 2nd and Acciari a 3rd. Let's say Bortuzzo is somewhere around a 4th round pick, the value doesn't seem too far off.

I get moving a 1st round pick for someone outside of Patty Kane and Horvat doesn't get anyone excited but they really aren't what the Bruins need at all. I would much rather go to war with some tough SOB's

Marchand Bergeron Debrusk
Zacha Krejci Pastrnak
Hall Coyle Barbashev
Foligno Acciari Frederic
Greer/Nosek

Gryz McAvoy
Lindholm Carlo
Forbort Cliffy
Zboril/Bortuzzo

Could work. But if Scandella comes back, and he is expected too, the Blues don't have the cap space

 

[LouJersey]

you can't understand why people aren't suggesting we replace a guy who is 10th in the NHL and 1st on the team in SH TOI per game?

I think even people who recognize Forbort's limitations are realistic about the fact that he fills a role they simply can't afford to replace or upgrade.

I’m with you. I mean Gryz is great 5v5 but does nothing else. Forbort is a good PK, seems to do nothing else. When it’s all said and done he also gets more ice time total. I like that Monty has given some of these guys defined roles.

in 2007 Bergeron was a -28 and Chara was a -21

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+/- is not the best barometer, but what here is not like the others? Too drastic to totally discount IMO.

 

[Guelph Bruin]

I know they are banking cap space up until deadline for a reason but if all possible I would like to see them trade for an upgrade sooner than later for the sake of building chemistry with their new additions. This will undoubtedly include moving picks to get rid of Reilly and/or Smith. The current chemistry of this team is off the charts and I want it at the same level going into the playoffs.

 

[burstnbloom]

you can't understand why people aren't suggesting we replace a guy who is 10th in the NHL and 1st on the team in SH TOI per game?

I think even people who recognize Forbort's limitations are realistic about the fact that he fills a role they simply can't afford to replace or upgrade.

In the last 30 days, Forbort has the 15th worst xG% in the NHL. He's given up the 41st most 5v5 goals. Monty has clearly realized how poorly he's playing as he's starting in the ozone 52% of the time vs the easiest possible competition. The Bruins are 3rd in the NHL as a team in xG% at 5v5 and have given up the fewest 5v5 goals in the NHL over that time. To have the numbers that he has over that time period with the larger team performance takes a lot of effort.

On the PK over that time period, he's giving up 4 GA/60 more than Lindholm and 2 GA/60 more than Carlo, who he starts the PK with most of the time. If you look at what the bruins are giving up (GA/60, CF/60, HDCA/60) on average, Forborts numbers are worse than the teams across the board.

I don't think it would be very hard to replace his performance. I'm sure Zboril could be the 15th worst D in the NHL. This guy has become a folk hero for some reason but his performance is starting to scream "im going to give up a backbreaker in the playoffs." I mean when you have a guy who can't defend zone entries, can't retrieve pucks, can't exit the zone and has below average (for your team) PK performance, you gotta throw your hands up and say "we can't possibly upgrade THIS." That's bananas.

 

[MarchysNoseKnows]

you can't understand why people aren't suggesting we replace a guy who is 10th in the NHL and 1st on the team in SH TOI per game?

I think even people who recognize Forbort's limitations are realistic about the fact that he fills a role they simply can't afford to replace or upgrade.

1) What Burst said above and
2) Why can’t they afford to replace or upgrade? My point was that people want to replace or upgrade Carlo and Grizz all over these threads. We really couldn’t find a bottom pair D who plays on the PK? A lot easier - and cheaper - to find that than a top-4 defenseman.

I really don’t want a repeat of the horror show that was Forbort against Carolina last year, but as I said before, I’d like another depth option versus an outright replacement.

 

[DKH]

Florida Colorado and Edmonton all out of playoffs

Are they sellers ?

Do we look at their rosters to add ?

Florida last season traded very good prospect Owen Tippett who’s looking good and a 2024 first for Giroux, a a 2023 first and 2023 third for Ben Chariot (not protected could end up Bedard)

Florida needs draft picks - any interest in any of their guys

 

[AngryMilkcrates]

This the same measurement that had Matt Grzelcyk as a 9.5M player?

And by the way, I don’t disagree that Forbort is overpaid. I just think it’s unfair to say his market value is league minimum.

I think there are quite a few teams out there that would love to give Forbort above league min to play for them. Bostons D is tops in the NHL and Forbort has been key at times already this season. Yeah, he is not perfect. But the weakest link in the strongest chain is still pretty solid. We will need his shot blocking here in a few months. If we replace him I have a funny feeling we would miss him.

 

[PB37]

in 2007 Bergeron was a -28 and Chara was a -21

Pretty reflective of the team and their play. Neither were good in 07 and the team also was dysfunctional. I remember reading an interview with Bergeron after the season and even he admitted he wasn't proud of his play and had to be better.

 

[kdog82]

Florida Colorado and Edmonton all out of playoffs

Are they sellers ?

Do we look at their rosters to add ?

Florida last season traded very good prospect Owen Tippett who’s looking good and a 2024 first for Giroux, a a 2023 first and 2023 third for Ben Chariot (not protected could end up Bedard)

Florida needs draft picks - any interest in any of their guys

Radko Gudas.

 

[DKH]

Radko Gudas.

Yeh was exactly same guy thinking

Gudas for me

He’s friends with pasta & Krejci - saw a zoom they did together during covid

 

[MarchysNoseKnows]

Florida Colorado and Edmonton all out of playoffs

Are they sellers ?

Do we look at their rosters to add ?

Florida last season traded very good prospect Owen Tippett who’s looking good and a 2024 first for Giroux, a a 2023 first and 2023 third for Ben Chariot (not protected could end up Bedard)

Florida needs draft picks - any interest in any of their guys

Problem with Florida is there’s not much for them to sell either. They really porked themselves.

 

[Blowfish]

Horvat is my target, especially with the real possibility bruins could be without a Bergeron (doubt it) next season.

Going to cost to get him...Vancouver will target and Boston may consider ...

Possible roster players.
Frederic, Swayman (unlikely), Zboril, Clifton, Forbert

Possible futures.
1st round draft pick, Lysell, Beecher, Poitras

Plus the obvious throw ins.

 

[DKH]

Problem with Florida is there’s not much for them to sell either. They really porked themselves.

Gudas
UFA
Right shot
2.5 M
Knows some guys
Looks like Bluto (most important)

 

[MarchysNoseKnows]

Gudas
UFA
Right shot
2.5 M
Knows some guys

Right. And not much else unless you want the corpse of Eric Staal

 

[Blowfish]

Gudas
UFA
Right shot
2.5 M
Knows some guys
Looks like Bluto (most important)

Gudas...Good call. Always makes it difficult for Boston.

 

[NeelyDan]

Can we trade Gryz for Gudas?

 

[Over the volcano]

Can we trade Gryz for Gudas?

 

[DKH]

Right. And not much else unless you want the corpse of Eric Staal

Not much Colorado has for UFA that could help

 

[Hookslide]

I think you can get away at going TDL shopping with the Blues...my three targets:

Barbashev (2.25) UFA - Can play any position in the top nine. Led the team last year in hits and has skill to go along with it. Last years 60 point season was an anomaly due to a really high shooting percentage but he goes to all the dirty areas and has cup experience to go along with it.

Acciari (1.25) UFA - What more can I say about Noel than you already know...he would fit on the 4th line like a glove and can slide over to the middle for important center depth. An upgrade on Greer.

Bortuzzo (950k) - Expires in 2024 so you get an extra year with Bortuzzo. He has certainly declined a bit over the years but he is a right shot, physical, PK specialist. He would be the perfect fit as the teams 7th defenseman and could take over the Cliffy role next year if things work out. An ideal fit on the backend.

The contracts add up to 4.45 so that amount would need to be going out in any deal with the Blues. Let's say you add Smith and Reilly to make money work and use one of the 1st round picks in 2023 or 2024. Blues fans think Barbashev is worth a 2nd and Acciari a 3rd. Let's say Bortuzzo is somewhere around a 4th round pick, the value doesn't seem too far off.

I get moving a 1st round pick for someone outside of Patty Kane and Horvat doesn't get anyone excited but they really aren't what the Bruins need at all. I would much rather go to war with some tough SOB's

Marchand Bergeron Debrusk
Zacha Krejci Pastrnak
Hall Coyle Barbashev
Foligno Acciari Frederic
Greer/Nosek

Gryz McAvoy
Lindholm Carlo
Forbort Cliffy
Zboril/Bortuzzo

This does not work for me you are going to give up 3 picks for that group just does not work , also you cannot trade a 2 that you don't have for two years ..............

 

[mar2kbos]

I still cant see the Bruins doing much at the deadline if anything. They have Zobril, Reilly, Smith, Lauko, Greer, all depth in case of injuries. They also are coming up on at least a slight rebuild soon and dealing away any prospects or picks probably isnt the greatest idea either. I get the all in for this season, but honestly if they stood pat (barring any type of collapse or major injury between now and the deadline) they are pretty covered. The only thing I would give up future for is an over the top like major piece (Toews, Kane, Karlsson, etc.) but even that is likely a pipe dream because of the cap. I just hope Sweeney doesnt give up too much for a minimal player just say we did something. Sometimes nothing is the best choice.

 

[DKH]

As of today you probably are looking at one add assuming status quo

We know Stralman is around, Reilly in AHL can add solid depth, and Zboril with team

That’s 9 D

Accari fits so many ways he’s basically a Bruins already

With no changes and getting DeBrusk back healthy this would be my add