Player Discussion: Winnipeg Jets Defense

[Mortimer Snerd]

He needs to want to be here. I’m not sure he does.

Of course. The same applies to every player. I'm not sure DeMelo wants to be here either.

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

I wonder what cap looks like if they resign Dillion.

Depends on a lot of things.
But as our only big bodied, physical Dman I think we need him. Samberg has size but doesn't play a particularly physical game. The rest are all on the small size - unless we play Stan.

 

[WolfHouse]

Depends on a lot of things.
But as our only big bodied, physical Dman I think we need him. Samberg has size but doesn't play a particularly physical game. The rest are all on the small size - unless we play Stan.

Interesting - I think Samberg plays very physical... but him and Schmidt are still sheltered so maybe it's not as apparent

In the end I suspect it's redundant if Dillon wants to be here... I think he will get a raise that we cant afford

 

[Adam da bomb]

Depends on a lot of things.
But as our only big bodied, physical Dman I think we need him. Samberg has size but doesn't play a particularly physical game. The rest are all on the small size - unless we play Stan.

And we don't have anyone on the Moose? I mean we have an expensive goalie a very well paid 3rd line, you have to wonder at what point the cap becomes an issue. I mean they'll probably have to bridge Cole and hope Ehlers is cheap. Lafallo is probably a cap casualty.
People keep talking about how physicality is being phased out and small D like Heinola, Morrissey are the wave of the future.

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

And we don't have anyone on the Moose? I mean we have an expensive goalie a very well paid 3rd line, you have to wonder at what point the cap becomes an issue. I mean they'll probably have to bridge Cole and hope Ehlers is cheap. Lafallo is probably a cap casualty.
People keep talking about how physicality is being phased out and small D like Heinola, Morrissey are the wave of the future.

More offensive Dmen are the wave of the future. Not necessarily small though that often comes with the territory. They are smaller and more mobile. But I don't think anyone is pushing the idea of going with 6 of those. The ideal number is probably 3.

Personally, I would like the other 3 to not give up too much mobility and puck movement in exchange for size. I want to see 6'2 ish more so than 6'5 ish. I don't need much scoring but I do want them to be effective at moving the puck.

 

[nobody imp0rtant]

Of course. The same applies to every player. I'm not sure DeMelo wants to be here either.

Yeah well, supposedly neither Scheif or Helly wanted to be here either, so excuse me if I'm now going to take rumours of players wanting out with a bag of salt.

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

Interesting - I think Samberg plays very physical... but him and Schmidt are still sheltered so maybe it's not as apparent

In the end I suspect it's redundant if Dillon wants to be here... I think he will get a raise that we cant afford

Then so be it. But DeMelo is the guy who has been a key part of a 1st pair for the last several years. He is more likely the one to need a bigger raise.

Samberg has size. But he doesn't play a particularly physical style. Not that he doesn't use his size but he doesn't punish or intimidate anyone, IMO.

 

[DEANYOUNGBLOOD17]

I think Demello is a product of coach Bonus defensive system.

If another team pays up big for him thisUFA off season …. They will be disappointed … when they find out they just got some ordinary crackers and not the fancy type.

Is Heinola skating with the team …. When is he expected back..,

I would like to see more Chisholm and a trade of Stanley…

 

[10Ducky10]

I think Demello is a product of coach Bonus defensive system.

If another team pays up big for him thisUFA off season …. They will be disappointed … when they find out they just got some ordinary crackers and not the fancy type.

Is Heinola skating with the team …. When is he expected back..,

I would like to see more Chisholm and a trade of Stanley…

Bones said Kup will be back before Ville.

I'd offer DeMelo a 3 x 3.75m contract.
I'd offer Dillon a 2 x 4m contract.

 

[LucianoBorsato]

He needs to want to be here. I’m not sure he does.

He does

Dillon, DeMelo lovin’ life with Jets

CHICAGO — Mark Scheifele and Connor Hellebuyck got their lucrative, long-term extensions. Nino Niederreiter did, too. Notice a trend? The Winnipeg Jets are clearly trying to keep the core together whi...

www.winnipegfreepress.com

 

[Gabe Kupari]

Of course. The same applies to every player. I'm not sure DeMelo wants to be here either.

Demelo said he does on the video the jets did last time with Sarah.

Dillon was rumoured to not be happy about coming here.

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

Demelo said he does on the video the jets did last time with Sarah.

Dillon was rumoured to not be happy about coming here.

Maybe not happy to come here but a lot can have changed in the meantime. He is playing on a contender again and everything we can see during a game looks like he is happy here.

Why isn't DeMelo signed then? My guess is he wants to be paid to be here. His play and his role warrant a pretty big raise. This will be his last chance to cash in. I doubt he is asking for Norris candidate money but probably possibly more than Chevy wants to give him.

 

[10Ducky10]

He does

Dillon, DeMelo lovin’ life with Jets

CHICAGO — Mark Scheifele and Connor Hellebuyck got their lucrative, long-term extensions. Nino Niederreiter did, too. Notice a trend? The Winnipeg Jets are clearly trying to keep the core together whi...

www.winnipegfreepress.com

Thanks for the link.
Great read.
Dillon sure looked like he didn't want to be here when first traded here.

 

[jokesondee]

I think Chevy gets both guys signed. This is arguably the best defense weve ever had. Weve had flashier players on the back end but defensively this is the best weve ever played. Demelo and Dillon are a big part of that.

 

[Adam da bomb]

Bones said Kup will be back before Ville.

I'd offer DeMelo a 3 x 3.75m contract.
I'd offer Dillon a 2 x 4m contract.

No way I offer dillion more. Demelo has been on top pairing. Don’t want to rock the boat.

 

[Flair Hay]

No way I offer dillion more. Demelo has been on top pairing. Don’t want to rock the boat.

Yeah agreed. Both have been valuable but DeMelo to me has more valuable in more mins. Maybe Chevy can get them both on board for the same price as Nino like Scheif and Helle signing

 

[10Ducky10]

No way I offer dillion more. Demelo has been on top pairing. Don’t want to rock the boat.

That's a 100k raise for Dillon and 750k raise for DD.
That's enough.

 

[DRW204]

i love dillon's game & would like to re-sign him..... but if not, i think he's someone who i think you can get some cap saving if needed (i haven't looked into the cap for next year to much tbh). Samberg has been a great 3rd pair defender, he'd have to get promoted to 2nd pair where I THINK he can flourish. and then can you find a cheap solid 3rd pair LD somewhere? probably.

ultimately depends what he wants on a new deal. Schmidt would be the ideal guy to move however idk how likely that will be. again, if cap savings is required.

 

[trebendan]

I’m afraid Dillon’s going to be a cap casualty.
Only way to get rid of Schmidt would be for another bad contract (e.g. Kuznetsov) or wait for the buyout window.

 

[LowLefty]

I think Chevy gets both guys signed. This is arguably the best defense weve ever had. Weve had flashier players on the back end but defensively this is the best weve ever played. Demelo and Dillon are a big part of that.

A big (huge) part of that solid play is how our team 5v5 is structured and playing -
IMO, our D remains our weakness - and Chevy will likely be looking to add at the deadline.
When you can get everyone playing a defensive style - responsible in both ends, working hard, everyone looks pretty good (forwards, d and goal).

 

[ghyrti]

Came across an article from last week by Travis Yost saying how Morrissey/DeMelo and were one of the best defensive pairs in the league for GF% at even strength. Pulled up the data after yesterdays game as he used 300 minutes for a cutoff and wanted to see how many minutes Schmidt/Samberg had. Here's the top 11 pairings as of January 5th for 5v5 GF% with a minimum of 300 minutes.

Pairing			GP	Minutes	GF%
Erik Karlsson	Marcus Pettersson	PIT	37​	418:52​	69.44​
Nate Schmidt	Dylan Samberg	WPG	31​	302:28​	69.23​
Dylan DeMelo	Josh Morrissey	WPG	37​	572:23​	68.75​
Noah Dobson	Alexander Romanov	NYI	38​	333:15​	66.67​
Vladislav Gavrikov	Matt Roy	L.A	30​	419:02​	64.86​
Filip Hronek	Quintin Hughes	VAN	38​	527:18​	63.33​
Hampus Lindholm	Brandon Carlo	BOS	37​	382:01​	62.5​
Jonas Brodin	Brock Faber	MIN	25​	378:45​	61.29​
Brent Burns	Jaccob Slavin	CAR	38​	546:27​	60​
Jacob Trouba	K'Andre Miller	NYR	35​	546:50​	59.57​
Brenden Dillon	Neal Pionk	WPG	37​	440:44​	58.97​

 

[WolfHouse]

Bones said Kup will be back before Ville.

I'd offer DeMelo a 3 x 3.75m contract.
I'd offer Dillon a 2 x 4m contract.

Demelo is the ehlers of our D - he does everything we ask and more plus he's scoring plus he mentors young D... and our contracts for him are always lower than Dillon who is likely past prime and playing a lesser role

 

[DRW204]

Came across an article from last week by Travis Yost saying how Morrissey/DeMelo and were one of the best defensive pairs in the league for GF% at even strength. Pulled up the data after yesterdays game as he used 300 minutes for a cutoff and wanted to see how many minutes Schmidt/Samberg had. Here's the top 11 pairings as of January 5th for 5v5 GF% with a minimum of 300 minutes.

Pairing			GP	Minutes	GF%
Erik Karlsson	Marcus Pettersson	PIT	37​	418:52​	69.44​
Nate Schmidt	Dylan Samberg	WPG	31​	302:28​	69.23​
Dylan DeMelo	Josh Morrissey	WPG	37​	572:23​	68.75​
Noah Dobson	Alexander Romanov	NYI	38​	333:15​	66.67​
Vladislav Gavrikov	Matt Roy	L.A	30​	419:02​	64.86​
Filip Hronek	Quintin Hughes	VAN	38​	527:18​	63.33​
Hampus Lindholm	Brandon Carlo	BOS	37​	382:01​	62.5​
Jonas Brodin	Brock Faber	MIN	25​	378:45​	61.29​
Brent Burns	Jaccob Slavin	CAR	38​	546:27​	60​
Jacob Trouba	K'Andre Miller	NYR	35​	546:50​	59.57​
Brenden Dillon	Neal Pionk	WPG	37​	440:44​	58.97​

Yeah with the way Helle has been playing, the Jets will probably rate real well all-around on the GA side. but defensively the team has been v good imo.

Schmidt was getting shit on a bit earlier in the year but he's been fine since then.

 

[gojetsgo]

Yeah with the way Helle has been playing, the Jets will probably rate real well all-around on the GA side. but defensively the team has been v good imo.

Schmidt was getting shit on a bit earlier in the year but he's been fine since then.

biggest problem with schmidt is that he can't hit the net

 

[10Ducky10]

The only problem I have with Schmidt is his salary.
Nobody would be dumping on him if he were making 3m a year.
He is playing well with Sammy.
We have the cap room for him this season, so keep him.