Starting with our lackluster 1st line center and our tiny defense.Our problems are on the ice, not in the locker room.
And the overall inability for the team to show up in the playoffs. I mean, isn't that where the intangibles(i.e. locker room) are supposed to make the difference?Starting with our lackluster 1st line center and our tiny defense.
Well, the only constants since 2016-17 are Spurgeon, Brodin, Eriksson Ek, and Dumba. Dumba is likely gone and usually he boosted his game for the playoffs. Eriksson Ek is a playoff gamer as well. That leaves… well, you know.And the overall inability for the team to show up in the playoffs. I mean, isn't that where the intangibles(i.e. locker room) are supposed to make the difference?
Instead, we see teams, year after year, that fold ,and show no signs of being able to overcome adversity.
Give me a toxic room that wins, any day. Pro hockey is about winning. If you want to get along and love one another go on a Yoga retreat.
None of the players have shown up in the playoffs who should be. I've been pointing out the defense for years. I can't remember a team winning without a top 5 defenseman on the team.Well, the only constants since 2016-17 are Spurgeon, Brodin, Eriksson Ek, and Dumba. Dumba is likely gone and usually he boosted his game for the playoffs. Eriksson Ek is a playoff gamer as well. That leaves… well, you know.
I mean it easy for us fans to say "give me a toxic locker room" when we arent in that said locker room isnt it? Its a bit different when we are on the outside looking in. It so easy for me to say do this or do that when im not the one actually doing it. I mean who wants to work with toxic bozos? I sure as hell didnt.And the overall inability for the team to show up in the playoffs. I mean, isn't that where the intangibles(i.e. locker room) are supposed to make the difference?
Instead, we see teams, year after year, that fold ,and show no signs of being able to overcome adversity.
Give me a toxic room that wins, any day. Pro hockey is about winning. If you want to get along and love one another go on a Yoga retreat.
I think what everyone is getting at is how good our locker room supposedly has become, yet we aren't seeing any difference what so ever on the ice.I mean it easy for us fans to say "give me a toxic locker room" when we arent in that said locker room isnt it? Its a bit different when we are on the outside looking in. It so easy for me to say do this or do that when im not the one actually doing it. I mean who wants to work with toxic bozos? I sure as hell didnt.
And i might be miss understanding your first point but changing the locker room isnt just for the playoffs its about the entire season as a whole not 1 singular point during the season.
I think what everyone is getting at is how good our locker room supposedly has become, yet we aren't seeing any difference what so ever on the ice.
There was a reason fans loved Theo Fleury so much, despite his myriad amount of off ice issues.Don't want a toxic locker room, just don't care about having the best locker room if we're still a mediocre product on the ice.
Would rather have a 9/10 on ice product and 5/10 locker room than a 5/10 on ice product and a 9/10 locker room.
I was about to suggest they start recording the locker room for our viewing pleasure, and then I realized how boring a 9/10 locker room would actually be. Too harmonious. Need the 5/10 locker room for that, if not lower.Don't want a toxic locker room, just don't care about having the best locker room if we're still a mediocre product on the ice.
Would rather have a 9/10 on ice product and 5/10 locker room than a 5/10 on ice product and a 9/10 locker room.
I've named my cat Theo after him. He has just as many issues.There was a reason fans loved Theo Fleury so much, despite his myriad amount of off ice issues.
I was about to suggest they start recording the locker room for our viewing pleasure, and then I realized how boring a 9/10 locker room would actually be. Too harmonious. Need the 5/10 locker room for that, if not lower.
I've named my cat Theo after him. He has just as many issues.
When i think of a toxic winning team I think of the Steinbrenner/ Bill Martin/Reggie Jackson Yankees.
It feels like this board is drawing some weird conclusion that a worse locker room = better team.Don't want a toxic locker room, just don't care about having the best locker room if we're still a mediocre product on the ice.
Would rather have a 9/10 on ice product and 5/10 locker room than a 5/10 on ice product and a 9/10 locker room.
Nobody is saying that at all. They're just saying if they had a choice of a bad locker room that had success on the ice, they'd prefer that over a good locker room that doesn't get it done on the ice.It feels like this board is drawing some weird conclusion that a worse locker room = better team.
Maybe. Just maybe. It will entice some free agents to sign here. High end free agents. Unfortunately, we haven’t been able to test that theory due to the cap concerns we have at the moment.Nobody is saying that at all. They're just saying if they had a choice of a bad locker room that had success on the ice, they'd prefer that over a good locker room that doesn't get it done on the ice.
We've apparently had a bad locker room, we were told improving that was essential. What we've gotten is a better locker room with no real difference on the ice.
Thus, from a fan perspective, what did we really gain?
It feels like this board is drawing some weird conclusion that a worse locker room = better team.
To me it sounds like fans started getting false hope or some expectations that an improved locker room would equate to a better on the ice product when it shouldnt. Why all of the sudden should we do better when the organization is at an extreme disadvantage with the cap the way it is? Maybe a year or 2 coming out of the buyouts and were still getting the same results then yes be upset. The owner and GM thought the situation was bad enough to pay people to NOT be here and severely hinder the organization for years. Thats pretty telling in of itself.I think what everyone is getting at is how good our locker room supposedly has become, yet we aren't seeing any difference what so ever on the ice.
Our locker room is supposed to be great now by all accounts... and Maroon supposedly has a big impact in the locker room... but ultimately our team's problem is on the ice, not in the locker room.
I don't think many people actually expected the locker room issues being resolved to actually turn them into contenders or anything, but this is still a great point. I'm not sure how much evidence there is about this in the hockey world specifically, but having a toxic workplace can hurt productivity. Making the workplace more harmonious can improve productivity vs. a toxic environment, but there are going to be diminishing returns on that, dependent on the skill level of the workers. That doesn't mean it's not important to have a healthy workplace, just that a healthy workplace only does so much good.To me it sounds like fans started getting false hope or some expectations that an improved locker room would equate to a better on the ice product when it shouldnt. Why all of the sudden should we do better when the organization is at an extreme disadvantage with the cap the way it is? Maybe a year or 2 coming out of the buyouts and were still getting the same results then yes be upset. The owner and GM thought the situation was bad enough to pay people to NOT be here and severely hinder the organization for years. Thats pretty telling in of itself.
You have toxic or crappy employees or co workers at work you do something about it (i.e the buyouts) not just sit on your hands and let it be.
Just getting to the playoffs alone with the cap the way it is is extremely impressive and is all icing on the cake for me. I personally didnt have any expectations or even truly believe we will make a deep run during the buyouts.
On the Wild on 7th podcast, Guerin basically said that they value character but if you are insanely skilled then you can get away with more. If you are not skilled and you pull crap, then you are out.
It is heavily implied, especially with the rose colored glasses view on Suter from posters around here.Nobody is saying that at all. They're just saying if they had a choice of a bad locker room that had success on the ice, they'd prefer that over a good locker room that doesn't get it done on the ice.
We've apparently had a bad locker room, we were told improving that was essential. What we've gotten is a better locker room with no real difference on the ice.
Thus, from a fan perspective, what did we really gain?
Wasn’t talking about you, but others.Nope, just care about a good team on the ice 1,000,000x more than a good locker room