Who will win the Selke trophy?

[I am not exposed]

Just watched Bergeron in the last week completely shut down Tavares, Barkov and Stamkos. Let the players decide and they will tell you no one is harder to play against then Bergeron. I know Tavares has said that a few times Bergy is the hardest guy to play against and the last game he schooled him up and down the ice, looked like a pro playing a junior.

You must have been watching some old games, because Florida have not played Boston this season.

 

[b in vancouver]

Just watched Bergeron in the last week completely shut down Tavares, Barkov and Stamkos. Let the players decide and they will tell you no one is harder to play against then Bergeron. I know Tavares has said that a few times Bergy is the hardest guy to play against and the last game he schooled him up and down the ice, looked like a pro playing a junior.

Love Barkov and Kopitar - but Bergeron is on another level towards the Selke. 20 years before he entered the NHl it's like they thought - they're might be a player like Bergeron so we'll start this award.
There's a few amazing centres in this context but they'll always be compared to Bergeron. He's simply - That.

 

[Winger23]

Love Barkov and Kopitar - but Bergeron is on another level towards the Selke. 20 years before he entered the NHl it's like they thought - they're might be a player like Bergeron so we'll start this award.
There's a few amazing centres in this context but they'll always be compared to Bergeron. He's simply - That.

I have a phone number to a good doctor that can remove the bias from your posts. Last 6 in a row? You're outta your mind. There's homers, then there's you.

 

[YesCubed]

bergeron is incredible

 

[PB37]

I have a phone number to a good doctor that can remove the bias from your posts. Last 6 in a row? You're outta your mind. There's homers, then there's you.

Last 6 years: 1st, 2nd, 1st, 1st, 2nd, 1st

He's won 4 in the past 6 years and missed out on a 5th in the closest Selke race since votes were public. 15 voters left him off the ballot completely and one of them even saw fit to give Patrick Kane a 2nd place selke vote, which is ridiculous. Bergeron ended up 10 points out from 1st. It's not a stretch at all to say that he could very well have won the last 6 Selke's. Bergeron is the best defensive forward of his generation, whether or not you choose to believe it.

 

[Deficient Mode]

Still Patrice. Surprised there's no love for Couturier in this thread. I'd have him top 3.

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

Last 6 years: 1st, 2nd, 1st, 1st, 2nd, 1st

He's won 4 in the past 6 years and missed out on a 5th in the closest Selke race since votes were public. 15 voters left him off the ballot completely and one of them even saw fit to give Patrick Kane a 2nd place selke vote, which is ridiculous. Bergeron ended up 10 points out from 1st. It's not a stretch at all to say that he could very well have won the last 6 Selke's. Bergeron is the best defensive forward of his generation, whether or not you choose to believe it.

I think it's fine to say he's the best of this generation, I don't think it's fine to retroactively shittalk and rip an award from someone who had a fantastic claim just because you feel like it, especially given that guy is watched maybe twice a year by most east coast fans. I mean, thank God for Jere Lehtinen, otherwise Kopitar in 2016 and Kesler in 2011 are the only 'best defensive forwards' in any given year west of Chicago since 1990, what a strange coincidence I'm sure.

 

[SotasicA]

Brayden Schenn because he scores a lot.

 

[Little Psycho]

As of his moment Kopitar.

 

[FinlandPanther]

Matthews is just as good defensively if not better than Barkov, his defense often gets overlooked because he puts up so many points.

Hahahahaha.

 

[Chef de Cuisine]

Matthews AINEC

 

[PB37]

I think it's fine to say he's the best of this generation, I don't think it's fine to retroactively ****talk and rip an award from someone who had a fantastic claim just because you feel like it, especially given that guy is watched maybe twice a year by most east coast fans. I mean, thank God for Jere Lehtinen, otherwise Kopitar in 2016 and Kesler in 2011 are the only 'best defensive forwards' in any given year west of Chicago since 1990, what a strange coincidence I'm sure.

Who's shit talking Kopitar in this thread?

 

[Blitzkrug]

Right now it's Kopitar by a pretty significant margin

Kopitar's deployment (49.2 offensive zone starts/50.8 percent defensive zone starts 5 v 5) and the fact he's probably LA's best penalty killer has him ahead of Bergeron (who strangely enough is seeing a 57/41 split in favor of offensive zone starts despite still being a monster in the defensive zone)

As long as Kopitar doesn't do his usual disappearing act like he seems to at the halfway point, it's his to lose.

 

[Future GOAT]

Matthews is just as good defensively if not better than Barkov, his defense often gets overlooked because he puts up so many points.

No, actually his defense often gets highly over-rated because Leaf fans...

 

[Nizdizzle]

Really shows the level of intelligence of some around here when the same posters consistently get baited by the same trolls.

 

[1865]

Surely Couturier is in the hunt now?

 

[King Weber]

Corsi %
Bergeron: 59%
Toews: 56%
Barkov: 53%
Johansen: 53%
Couturier: 53%
J. Staal: 53%
Crosby: 53%
Giroux: 52%
Point: 52%
Matthews: 51%
Kopitar: 51%

CA/60
Bergeron: 48
Barkov: 51
Couturier: 52
Giroux: 54
Point: 55
Johansen: 56
J. Staal: 56
Toews: 57
Kopitar: 57
Crosby: 59
Matthews: 60


Goals Allowed/60
Bergeron: 1.15
Matthews: 1.39
Point: 1.76
Couturier: 1.83
Kopitar: 1.88
Giroux: 1.97
Toews: 2.45
J. Staal: 2.47
Johansen: 2.69
Barkov: 2.69
Crosby: 2.76

Expected Goals Allowed/60
Barkov: 2.1
Point: 2.13
Bergeron: 2.22
Couturier: 2.23
Giroux: 2.28
J. Staal: 2.33
Kopitar: 2.46
Johansen: 2.5
Toews: 2.64
Matthews: 2.65
Crosby: 2.73

Edited in some players who should/could be in the conversation for the Selke this year.

 

[al secord]

Coin flip, Kopitar or Bergeron.

 

[b in vancouver]

Still Patrice. Surprised there's no love for Couturier in this thread. I'd have him top 3.

Couturier is having a phenomenal year - No fault of his - but unless Philly can climb into the playoff picture, he most likely wouldn't get a nomination. If they can ... ?

 

[McDavidCrushedLarkin]

Matthews without a shadow of a doubt. How many other players can put up a 100 points and still be one of the best centers defensively?

Don't you have to get past 69 points in a single season to be considered a 100 point center or can we combine a few seasons?

 

[b in vancouver]

I think it's fine to say he's the best of this generation, I don't think it's fine to retroactively ****talk and rip an award from someone who had a fantastic claim just because you feel like it, especially given that guy is watched maybe twice a year by most east coast fans. I mean, thank God for Jere Lehtinen, otherwise Kopitar in 2016 and Kesler in 2011 are the only 'best defensive forwards' in any given year west of Chicago since 1990, what a strange coincidence I'm sure.

Keeler's win in 2011 wasn't really deserved that year. No problem if he had won it in 2010 - but 2011 Maholtra did most of the defensive heavy lifting for Vancouver while Kesler racked up goals on the the P.P. with the Sedins.
Thought 2016 was a coin-flip between Kopitar and Bergeron. Kopitar probably got the edge because the Bruins missed the playoffs for the second straight year. But I think we can all agree it's a bit strange that some voters left Bergeron off their list altogether.

 

[MikeBabcock]

Don't you have to get past 69 points in a single season to be considered a 100 point center or can we combine a few seasons?

Don't you have to win a cup before start calling your team the best in the NHL?

 

[McDavidCrushedLarkin]

Don't you have to win a cup before start calling your team the best in the NHL?

Link to post?

 

[Raging Bull]

Don't you have to get past 69 points in a single season to be considered a 100 point center or can we combine a few seasons?

Jeeze, at least most Leaf fans know when they're being baited.

 

[GeeoffBrown]

I may be biased because I watch more Western Conference than East but Kopitar definitely has my vote.