OT: Which threads blow you away? The great jersey debate

[AD Skinner]

View attachment 575645

like this?

Yes, miles better. Can't really explain why it just doesn't work in red to me

 

[Svechhammer]

Yes, miles better. Can't really explain why it just doesn't work in red to me

I agree, it just works better in black.

Also, I missed it the first time around, but in the Icethetics concept, you can barely see it. but there is definitely a Pucky on the shoulder, so the black version would need to be updated as follows:

 

[Svechhammer]

I want to hate this..... but I don't

Christmas WhalerCanes

 

[MinJaBen]

I want to hate this..... but I don't

Christmas WhalerCanes


View attachment 575659

Try that one with red pants.

 

[AD Skinner]

I want to hate this..... but I don't

Christmas WhalerCanes


View attachment 575659

This looks great. I don't know that the combining of identities in a jersey in something they would ever really do or should do but this looks dope. I unironically love the devils in red and green though too so what do I know

 

[To Be Determined]

i'm too busy to read full thread titles, so i'll just quickly answer that the only thread that ever really blew me away was about estaalo's giroux-adjusted point production.

 

[Porvari]

I want to hate this..... but I don't

Christmas WhalerCanes


View attachment 575659

Since we're fantasizing about Turbo's threads, is this the right place to start a grassroots movement to add diacritics to player names on jerseys? I want Teräväinen, Nečas, Kaše et al. to stop pretending that their names are "Teravainen", "Necas," "Kase" etc. Looking at other major North American leagues, it seems that the NHL is the lone holdout on this issue, which is weird because out of all of them it probably has the most international player pool.

 

[Navin R Slavin]

Try that one with red pants.

That would be amazing.

 

[Navin R Slavin]

I want to hate this..... but I don't

Christmas WhalerCanes


View attachment 575659

Someone needs to write a plug-in to the NHL games to accept these mockups directly as in-game textures.

 

[Svechhammer]

Someone needs to write a plug-in to the NHL games to accept these mockups directly as in-game textures.

In a roundabout way you should be able to, but you'll have to go through the Creation tool in order to do so. They should have the templates from all the Canes and Whalers styles in it. For the logos, they have the current Canes main logo in NHL logos, and they have the old single flag alternate as well as the Whalers logo (one we currently use, not the 90s one with silver backing) in the Historical logos section. Only frustration is that we can't use the current 2 flag alternate and none of the jerseys would have the NHL shield on the neck. Also, I don't believe our current nameplate and number font is loaded in, but our original one is, as well as both the original and 90s Whalers fonts.

For a created team, you can create a home, away, and alternate look. Last week I played around a bit with it and created something that was basically this:

Won't lie, the white version looks pretty good on the ice.

 

[MinJaBen]

So at one point I had this....

View attachment 575491

I thought it looked a little too thin for my liking so I thickened up the C...

View attachment 575492

Still didn't quite turn out how I was hoping. Maybe turning it red to be more like the NWS logo?

View attachment 575493

I dunno. Just something about them that doesn't seem to work well. Maybe it could use a little polishing, but I am not sure you can do anything that would be particularly strong as a logo and doesn't come across as clipart.

Given the tweet below, I doubt the Canes would be able to ever use your design if they wanted:

 

[CandyCanes]

What if the Canes used this as a logo for a alt jersey.

 

[Svechhammer]

What if the Canes used this as a logo for a alt jersey.

That..... Could work for a Stadium Series look. Definitely a great fauxback logo for a pro team in a college market

 

[AD Skinner]

What if the Canes used this as a logo for a alt jersey.

I am all about this. Where do I order it?

 

[Navin R Slavin]

What if the Canes used this as a logo for a alt jersey.

OMG it's Tuffy! It's Stormy! It's... Stuffy???

 

[CandyCanes]

I am all about this. Where do I order it?

Supposedly the online pro shop is getting reworked. But can buy them today in person at The Eye

 

[HisIceness]

Given the tweet below, I doubt the Canes would be able to ever use your design if they wanted:

Montreal Canadiens, hatin' on North Carolina since 1988

 

[Svechhammer]

So......

 

[AD Skinner]

This dude is hilarious whoever he may be or know or whatever. I mean the writing has been on the wall for this change for a while, but I'll be sad if they really aren't using the swirl at all. The white canes jersey has just got to go though, especially if the full time dark jersey isn't red.

 

[tarheelhockey]

Given the tweet below, I doubt the Canes would be able to ever use your design if they wanted:

Tweet is a little misleading. The CH logo was never used at all, it was ditched before the inaugural season started.

Kind of ridiculous that Montreal feels they can sue a team whose actual initials are “CH” for using an interlocking CH.

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

Kind of ridiculous that Montreal feels they can sue a team whose actual initials are “CH” for using an interlocking CH.

I don't see it as ridiculous. Companies take branding and their logos (which are usually protected by trademarks) very seriously. If a company called International Boat Manufacturing decided to make a logo that was IBM with some sort of bars through the letters, I guarantee you that the company International Business Machines would sue and win in court.

I get that many sports logos are comparable though (The G for the Green Bay Packers and the G for Georgia Bulldogs for instance). The Packers hold the trademark and Georgia reached out to the Green Bay Packers and got permission from the Packers to use the similar logo with slight modifications. Same goes for Grambling.

The use of CH with the interlocking CH would certainly cause the Canadiens to either sue, or come to some sort of agreement as I suspect they hold the trademark on that.

EDIT: I may be coming from a different POV since I spent 2 years of my career negotiating licensing and joint development deals in the tech industry. I spent almost every day of those 2 years with IP/patent attorneys so got to see the kind of stuff they go through on patents, trademarks, copyrights, etc....

 

[tarheelhockey]

I don't see it as ridiculous. Companies take branding and their logos (which are usually protected by trademarks) very seriously. If a company called International Boat Manufacturing decided to make a logo that was IBM with some sort of bars through the letters, I guarantee you that the company International Business Machines would sue and win in court.

I get that many sports logos are comparable though (The G for the Green Bay Packers and the G for Georgia Bulldogs for instance). The Packers hold the trademark and Georgia reached out to the Green Bay Packers and got permission from the Packers to use the similar logo with slight modifications. Same goes for Grambling.

The use of CH with the interlocking CH would certainly cause the Canadiens to either sue, or come to some sort of agreement as I suspect they hold the trademark on that.

EDIT: I may be coming from a different POV since I spent 2 years of my career negotiating licensing and joint development deals in the tech industry. I spent almost every day of those 2 years with IP/patent attorneys so got to see the kind of stuff they go through on patents, trademarks, copyrights, etc....

Nothing about the two logos is even comparable other than the the letters in a broadly similar arrangement. The font and colors are so different as to be non-comparable, and the Hornets logo is broken up by a bee in the middle of it. Not to mention a picture of an actual basketball and the huge word CHARLOTTE across the bottom, making it impossible that anyone could be confused as to which logo is which.

I get that there would still be a lawsuit because there’s always a lawsuit, but it’s just ludicrous that no other sports team should ever again be able to use “CH” in their logo because one team is calling it their intellectual property. It’s like the University of Michigan declaring that yellow Ms are their intellectual property and suing McDonald’s.

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

Nothing about the two logos is even comparable other than the the letters in a broadly similar arrangement. The font and colors are so different as to be non-comparable, and the Hornets logo is broken up by a bee in the middle of it. Not to mention a picture of an actual basketball and the huge word CHARLOTTE across the bottom, making it impossible that anyone could be confused as to which logo is which.

I get that there would still be a lawsuit because there’s always a lawsuit, but it’s just ludicrous that no other sports team should ever again be able to use “CH” in their logo because one team is calling it their intellectual property. It’s like the University of Michigan declaring that yellow Ms are their intellectual property and suing McDonald’s.

That (in bold) is the key though. Same letters in a similar arrangement.

University of Michigan does have a Trademark for the Block Yellow M. If someone else were to do a "block" M, even if not the same color, I bet they'd sue (or require permission) and on good grounds. McDonalds has a trademark on the arches M. It's yellow, but not similar to the Michigan M at all other than the color. If someone tried to use a similar arches M logo, even if not exact or a different color, I guarantee you they'd sue.

It's the "interlocking" CH which is a likely an infringement on the Canadiens trademark that they were upset about. I don't see that as ridiculous as I'd expect it.

Like I said, Georgia and Grambling needed approval from the Green Bay Packers to use their logos. If international boat manufacturing had an IBM logo with a few bars through the logo but it was a different font and red instead of blue, IBM, the computer company would sue.

The interlocking CH is trademarked and part of the Habs brand. If someone tries to emulate it, but modifies it to their own colors, etc... they need to get approval or legal action will be taken.

Trust me, these teams/companies view their brands and logos very seriously and do whatever it takes to protect them.

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

As a side note, and maybe @MinJaBen knows more about it, I distinctly remember a legal battle maybe 10 years ago between Duke University and John Wayne's estate about using the name "Duke" in selling alcoholic beverages. No idea how it ended up.

EDIT: A quick google search doesn't show much from 2014 other than the Wayne Family was unsuccessful in their first court decision, but that's all I see.

la-me-ln-john-wayne-duke-trademark-20141002-story.html

 

[Lempo]

Trust me, these teams/companies view their brands and logos very seriously and do whatever it takes to protect them.

To springboard: it falls on the trademark holder to themselves take care that their TM protection remains effective. Once you have determined what is the Thing in your trademarked logo, you have to protect it yealously to ridiculous ends.

It's not necessary to take everything to court, but you do have to underline it by your actions and give the optics that you view any potential infringement as a courtable offense, so that one day if need be you can argue and show in the court of law that in no way you have let your trademark lapse due to allowing others by inactivity to assume certain kind of logos and make them think it's okay with you.

If MTL let any professional sports team get away with a CH element in their logo and establish their usage of it, and then that team some years later goes and repurposes the logo to really be CH, MTL will have hard time arguing back when the team says that "CH" has been promimently a part of our logo for years now and we had a number of fan merch with prominent CH and quite frankly we don't get what issue the Canadiens Hontreal even have here.

Any suspected silly over-doing of today by the MTL legal team is only done in preparation to such a potential future trademark trial. Cease and Desist letters are cheap enoug to send and effective against any feigned ignorance that a trademark troll* might throw at you in some future day.


* Do note, not all the people infringing your trademark are actually planning to make themselves a business out of selling cheap poor quality Chinese college pants with HARTFORD WHALE wordmark on them. Some of them just want you to pay them money to go away with their silly trademark registration attempt.

MTL don't want a trademark troll claiming that they felt that "CH" branding in sports gear was a free for all, seeing that MTL did nothing when Hornets for example opted for a CH branding, and this court must now find this case against Montreal Canadiens who just try to unlawfully block my client Calvin&Hobbes Sportsgear from entering the sporting equipment markets with their completely unfounded claims of an infringement of intellectual property by my client.