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me2 said:No harm in asking I suppose.
If it were me I would have opted to pocket the $1.3billion and let someone else ask the question.
me2 said:No harm in asking I suppose.
FLYLine4LIFE said:Does the garbage man say...I clean up the trash to make everyone happy there streets dont smell of crap" No he saids he cleans up the trash to get his paycheck. Does the deli worker say..I do my job because I love to see the happy faces on the customers faces when they walk out with some meat? No..they do there job for the paycheck(though im sure people do there jobs for reasons like that...example a Police officer). You people find any little thing and jump down the players throat...funny how you didnt mention this line: " "People are dying to see some hockey in Canada." Right there hes talking about the fans..but you left that out. If your going to post something post ALL the facts not just the ones you want people to read. And BTW..even if he didnt say we want to put money back into the players and said..."We are doing this just for the fans...you would have jumped down his throat and said..BS! BS!" What a liar!...but when he tells the truth you still yell and scream. So sad.
I think the lockout and the salary cap show the owner have accepted responsibility for their own spending.Weary said:Yes. They want to run the team, but not take responsibility for their own spending.
They offered a cap and floor. Players said no.Sure. They want a salary cap, but no salary floor.
What 30 team benefits? The owners could probably close 6 clubs and have more benefits. The 30 team benefits are all in the players favour.Indeed. They all want the benefits of a thirty team league, but they don't want to meaningful revenue sharing.
what guaranteed profits?Of course. They still want to run their own franchises and get those guaranteed profits.
X8oD said:Apples an oranges.
When i start buying tickets to support the garbage man, maybe he would say that. When im off to the store to buy my favorite deli server's 3rd Jersey, Then i bet he says that.
These players are paid by US. If we dont buy thier shat and goto thier games, they dont get paid. Hell, ill go off the deep end like you did, We as fans OWN the players. We pay thier salary. We do NOT goto games to watch people loaf around and then goto the media and say "we are just out here to collect a paycheck"
There is a difference between admitting a problem and accepting responsibility for it. The owners have admitted they have a problem. They want the responsbility for correcting it to fall upon the players.me2 said:I think the lockout and the salary cap show the owner have accepted responsibility for their own spending.
The moneymaking teams would benefit from a smaller league. Those on the low end, however, profit from those other teams.What 30 team benefits? The owners could probably close 6 clubs and have more benefits. The 30 team benefits are all in the players favour.
The whole idea of the cap is to keep player costs low enought that even the lowest revenue teams can make a profit.what guaranteed profits?
X8oD said:Apples an oranges.
When i start buying tickets to support the garbage man, maybe he would say that. When im off to the store to buy my favorite deli server's 3rd Jersey, Then i bet he says that.
These players are paid by US. If we dont buy thier shat and goto thier games, they dont get paid. Hell, ill go off the deep end like you did, We as fans OWN the players. We pay thier salary. We do NOT goto games to watch people loaf around and then goto the media and say "we are just out here to collect a paycheck"
txomisc said:Last time I checked, the garbage man doesn't spout off about how he is the product, either. I've never heard the guy at the deli refer to himself as the product. I have however heard it said that the players are the product (which is not my opinion)
For the LAST TIME, the WHA does NOT have a salary cap. Ricky Smith has been quoted several times on this.BLONG7 said:So in the WHA, was the proposed salary cap 10 or 15 million??? I mean it's not 40-42.5 M like the NHL offered, but it's right up there... I can see why the PA and their LEADERS are thinking WHA... :lol
Weary said:There is a difference between admitting a problem and accepting responsibility for it. The owners have admitted they have a problem.
They want the responsbility for correcting it to fall upon the players.
The whole idea of the cap is to keep player costs low enough that even the lowest revenue teams can make a profit.
The owners and the players are basically looking for the same things. Typical of negotiations. The real root of the problem is that the owners haven't solidified their own partnership. So Bettman is really negotiating with the players, the rich teams, the poor teams, and the in-between teams. Until those teams can have some sort of unified vision of what the league should be, I don't know how Bettman and Goodenow can reach an effective agreement.
I pay tickets to see hockey. Do you pay for tickets to watch these guys sit around and pick their noses?FLYLine4LIFE said:The players are the product...what do you pay tickets to see...the Zamboni?
If only the owners were going on a healthy diet and getting some exercise. But they aren't. As long as the McDonald's is open and selling the delicious food, they can't help themselves. They will go stuff their faces with no self control.me2 said:The players aren't doing anything but taking money. How are the players correcting it? They aren't.
The owners are a fat guy with an admitted overeating problem.
The players are a McDonalds restaurant who milk the fat guy for all of his money and don't care about his health in doing so.
The fat guy finally does something about being obese and goes on a healthy diet and gets some exercise and less of his money goes to McDonalds.
Saying the responsbility for correcting it to falls upon the players is like saying the responsbility for correcting the fat guys diet is falling upon the McDonalds. Its does not. The owners, just like the fat guy are correcting themselves.
Weary said:If only the owners were going on a healthy diet and getting some exercise. But they aren't. As long as the McDonald's is open and selling the delicious food, they can't help themselves. They will go stuff their faces with no self control.
In order to correct this, they get a law passed. The law states that McDonald's can't serve fattening food any longer. Why? Because the fat guys can't help themselves. So in the end, McDonald's has to take responsibility for correcting the failures of the fat guys.
That's exactly what imposing a salary cap on the players does. It allows the owners to force someone else to take responsibility.
A ban? Exactly. They didn't take responsibilty for their own actions. They implemented a ban so they don't have to.me2 said:Not quite. The fatties have just put a ban on themselves overeating, but McDonalds can still sell all the crap food they want to anyone who is prepared to buy. The players can still get their $10m salaries anywhere they want except from the NHL owners.
Scugs said:This is stupid... I want to ask every NHLPA member who is currently backing this league, one question.
What did you dream of as a kid?
Winning the Stanley Cup in the NHL?
Or..
Winning the WHA championship.
Weary said:A ban? Exactly. They didn't take responsibilty for their own actions. They implemented a ban so they don't have to.
Philosophy McNuggets.me2 said:A ban is taking responsibility for their own actions.
Bicycle Repairman said:Philosophy McNuggets.
How much is that in Big Macs? :lolme2 said:Anyone know what the current market value for players is? $50K-$500K. Goodenow is always going on about market value, yet he wouldn't accept current market value would he.
Bicycle Repairman said:How much is that in Big Macs? :lol
e-townchamps said:thanks JR, I knew it was always about money....
your willing to play in the WHA for less than you would in the NHL...hmm, no one said these players had to go to college!!
thanks, but no thanks.