SirClintonPortis
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We got faster. Moar speed to stroke our "fast team" stereotype, amirite? Or must the player also be small?
I took a straw poll..decided to post this interesting strawman stat -
Since the start of 2014, when Murray became a regular as Diaz was finally being scratched...Murray is -1. Since Jan. 4, Subban is -9. Since Dec. 29 Emelin is -7 and Markov is -9. The team's goal differential in 2014 so far is -9..yet the guy who gets blamed more than anyone is Murray.
The Murray defenders..or MDs if you will...do not profess that he was good when he first returned from injury..in fact up until the New Year there weren't many complaining when he was scratched.
Now that he is playing better however...why is it that the MB's..or Murray Bashers...will not even concede that his play has improved?
Yes it DOES matter that he missed training camp. When you're 34, slow to begin with and 240 pounds, it takes awhile to get in game shape...quite awhile.
Yes it DOES matter that when he was in the lineup he was often paired with Bouillon, and also found himself playing, while still not in game shape, with Parros and AHLers.... for reasons only Therrien could explain.
Since he's started playing regularly and gotten into better condition...he really hasn't been the liability some are proclaiming. Not sure why some of you cannot acknowledge that. Merely stating that he's crap isn't an argument.
I took a straw poll..decided to post this interesting strawman stat -
Since the start of 2014, when Murray became a regular as Diaz was finally being scratched...Murray is -1. Since Jan. 4, Subban is -9. Since Dec. 29 Emelin is -7 and Markov is -9. The team's goal differential in 2014 so far is -9..yet the guy who gets blamed more than anyone is Murray.
The Murray defenders..or MDs if you will...do not profess that he was good when he first returned from injury..in fact up until the New Year there weren't many complaining when he was scratched.
Now that he is playing better however...why is it that the MB's..or Murray Bashers...will not even concede that his play has improved?
Yes it DOES matter that he missed training camp. When you're 34, slow to begin with and 240 pounds, it takes awhile to get in game shape...quite awhile.
Yes it DOES matter that when he was in the lineup he was often paired with Bouillon, and also found himself playing, while still not in game shape, with Parros and AHLers.... for reasons only Therrien could explain.
Since he's started playing regularly and gotten into better condition...he really hasn't been the liability some are proclaiming. Not sure why some of you cannot acknowledge that. Merely stating that he's crap isn't an argument.
It;s more about Murray bashing except they can't bash like Murray can.Wait are we really on the third thread for a Diaz-Weise trade?
Eklund saying the Pens might be interested in Briere now. That could be a 4 part topic if it ever happens, cause he'll be playing a hell of a lot better there
Confirms the Pens are not interested .
I took a straw poll..decided to post this interesting strawman stat -
Since the start of 2014, when Murray became a regular as Diaz was finally being scratched...Murray is -1. Since Jan. 4, Subban is -9. Since Dec. 29 Emelin is -7 and Markov is -9. The team's goal differential in 2014 so far is -9..yet the guy who gets blamed more than anyone is Murray
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Since he's started playing regularly and gotten into better condition...he really hasn't been the liability some are proclaiming. Not sure why some of you cannot acknowledge that. Merely stating that he's crap isn't an argument.
Eklund saying the Pens might be interested in Briere now. That could be a 4 part topic if it ever happens, cause he'll be playing a hell of a lot better there
Wait are we really on the third thread for a Diaz-Weise trade?
Murray's play has improved. It went from sucks to blows.
Reality is, even in shape and playing at his best, he is still a fringe #6.
Wait are we really on the third thread for a Diaz-Weise trade?
hem ehem, i like to refer to them as Swiss Bobby Orr and 21st century Brent Bilodeau, please post accordingly.
Brière had been declining for years and is providing exactly what ought to have been expected of him. There was a vague chance that he had more to offer, but it was a bad gamble. Expecting a 36-year-old to recapture his former skills fails pretty much 99.9% of the time.
Murray and Parros are liabilities on the ice. They don't "fill roles", they hurt the team. They're below replacement level; the team could replace them with AHL callups and do better.
It's of course probable that the org feels that it doesn't matter that they both are bad hockey players because Murray is large and Parros fights. More of that organizational philosophy problem I mentioned.
and paid like one.
So, just a general question here, is Murray the reason why we're not winning more games now? Just wondering because he seems to be mentioned in a lot of threads and discussions on this board.
So we change Murray with who, at the same salary, and win how many more games exactly?
You love whining and complaing about players who matter little in the grand scheme of things.
While Murray and Parros aren't the only problems facing the Habs, they're important for two reasons:
1- depth players do matter. If the bottom of opposing lineups is crushing yours, that's not any better than if the top of their lineup was crushing yours. You just end up being beat by third-liners. And when guys like Murray start in the offensive zone and end up being hemmed in in the defensive zone, it makes life harder for everyone else, too, even once he comes off the ice.
2- they're symptoms of the root problem: the organization's philosophy of team-building and hockey systems is broken. Murray is the rattling noise in the engine that tells you you have a crack in the engine block.
While Murray and Parros aren't the only problems facing the Habs, they're important for two reasons:
1- depth players do matter. If the bottom of opposing lineups is crushing yours, that's not any better than if the top of their lineup was crushing yours. You just end up being beat by third-liners. And when guys like Murray start in the offensive zone and end up being hemmed in in the defensive zone, it makes life harder for everyone else, too, even once he comes off the ice.
2- they're symptoms of the root problem: the organization's philosophy of team-building and hockey systems is broken. Murray is the rattling noise in the engine that tells you you have a crack in the engine block.
Hamhuis and H. Sedin out for tonight. Big pieces.