TSN reports proposal was made today (2.9.05) by the NHL and PA rejected .

[CarlRacki]

Arent these triggers worse than the deal that the NHL offered? What a crap deal.

How so? The league is saying we'll try it your way and if it works, great. If not, we'll try it our way.
The bottom line is that if the players were being genuine in saying that their plan works, they should have no fear.

 

[think-blue-]

I think they should at least try and negotiate off those "triggers"

I can see why the PA rejected it though.

 

[bleedgreen]

fischler - any room for compromise? bettman - no. weve gone as far as we can, and our owners think weve been generous enough.

 

[Motown Beatdown]

I think this is good news (yeah the eternal optimist)

We have a frame work from both side to get a deal. Move a little here or there on the numbers and this could get done. I bet the NHLPA problem was the triggers, not the whole deal.

 

[think-blue-]

28 game schedule was talked about.

 

[WrightOn]

I think they should at least try and negotiate off those "triggers"

That's what I was thinking they'll be looking at tonight and/or tomorrow....

 

[PecaFan]

From the looks of it, it seems as if the NHLPA wasn't going to have any say over whether or not their proposal was actually working.

And why should they? They still insist the *last* CBA worked. :lol

 

[shakes]

How so? The league is saying we'll try it your way and if it works, great. If not, we'll try it our way.
The bottom line is that if the players were being genuine in saying that their plan works, they should have no fear.

The league is saying we'll try it your way with triggers that are lower than the last deal the NHL presented. Doesn't seem logical to me. Also.. 4 teams? Wouldn't enacting this deal even with a 24% rollback trigger a new CBA considering no grandfather clause would put quite a few teams over the limit?

 

[bleedgreen]

28 game season - with regular playoff setup. 2 games with each team in conference only. this is what the season would be if it happens. from bettman

 

[FrenchKheldar]

What about the PA coming back with the same offer than the NHL just proposed with just slightly different numbers for the trigger? There's gotta be a common ground here don't you think?

Something like

1. More than 58 percent of league revenues goes to payroll
2. More than three teams spending more than $45 million
3. Average payroll exceeds $38.5 million
4. Disparity of payroll between the average of the top three teams is 40 percent greater than those of the bottom three.
Forgive my math if I'm wrong, but that would mean if the top three average $45 million, the bottom three can average no less than $27 million.

Now that the owners have accepted the fact that it would be difficult to implement the hard cap right away (it has always been a difficult point for me to understand how they would trim all the payrolls without using the PA's rollback), Goodenow just needs to make the numbers work a little more in favour of the players and we got ourselves a deal !!!

 

[bleedgreen]

no counter proposal from the triggers. bettman says we havent gotten any counters on any offer.

 

[CarlRacki]

"We've made three proposals in a row and, generally, we haven't gotten any counter proposals."

Sums up the PA's willingness to negotiate right there.

 

[snakepliskin]

after the 24% rollback these salary trigtgers should be relatively safe--somebody do the math

 

[davidwii]

That's what I was thinking they'll be looking at tonight and/or tomorrow....

Obsolutely....The players are being given the opportunity to get what they want. So use this as a basis and start negotiating the triggers....

I think if the season does happen...its gonna be based upon something like this...

 

[hockeytown9321]

What about the PA coming back with the same offer than the NHL just proposed with just slightly different numbers for the trigger? There's gotta be a common ground here don't you think?

Something like

1. More than 58 percent of league revenues goes to payroll
2. More than three teams spending more than $45 million
3. Average payroll exceeds $38.5 million
4. Disparity of payroll between the average of the top three teams is 40 percent greater than those of the bottom three.
Forgive my math if I'm wrong, but that would mean if the top three average $45 million, the bottom three can average no less than $27 million.

Now that the owners have accepted the fact that it would be difficult to implement the hard cap right away (it has always been a difficult point for me to understand how they would trim all the payrolls without using the PA's rollback), Goodenow just needs to make the numbers work a little more in favour of the players and we got ourselves a deal !!!

Or bump up the numbers a little and make it so that 2 of 4 have to happen for the cap to be triggered.

 

[chriss_co]

It is a PR stunt. Apparently the players have no say in whether or not its working and if the NHL deems in their own non specified terms that its not then they get the deal they've always wanted. No fuss no muss..

We are several days from the cancellation of a season... a little late for a PR stunt, I would think


and the players do have a say on how it works.. they said they guarantee that their deal would work.. so.. prove it

Gary gave the PA the deal they wanted... but he was rejected...

I think they are very close to a deal.. if the PA is smart, they will negotiate the triggers and perhaps some specifics in the fallout CBA

but i am disappointed in the NHLPA.. this was their chance to swoop in and 'save' the season.. instead, the league had to do it

 

[Charge_Seven]

after the 24% rollback these salary trigtgers should be relatively safe--somebody do the math

The Leafs would start over the salary trigger.

 

[chriss_co]

after the 24% rollback these salary trigtgers should be relatively safe--somebody do the math

Until the players start demanding outrageous salaries.. which they know they will do.. thats why they rejected it

 

[gobolt7]

There's gotta be a common ground here don't you think?

Search lights, maps, and a GPS system could not find common ground between these 2.

 

[bleedgreen]

bettman makes the standard arguement, and he has got it down. we will not pay more than we can afford, we will no longer have teams that cant afford to not play. he said it a lot better than i did, and it was well done.

cant afford

 

[kerrly]

The trigger number of 36.5 million can possibly be adjusted higher down the road according to revenue growth.

 

[FrenchKheldar]

The Leafs would start over the salary trigger.

But will more than 3 teams be over it?

 

[Motown Beatdown]

But will more than 3 teams be over it?

Easily, Detroit after the rollback payroll is around 43 million. Flyers are higher than that so there are three teams already.

 

[RangerBoy]

I heard John Davidson this evening on WFAN.Both sides want a deal.JD said 15 teams would vote to play right now and the low revenue teams can not expect the big revenue market teams to spend the same amount as Atlanta,Nashville and Pittsburgh.JD said Bettman will get his hard cap but it will not linked to revenue.It would be a soft cap which turns into a hard cap with a luxury tax in between triggered at a certain threshold.JD also said the players are pestering Goodenow about wanting to play this year.The luxury tax would be distributed to the low revenue teams to reach the salary floor

 

[Gary]

THEY REFUSED THEIR OWN PROPOSAL!! ...No, worse...They rejected their own GUARENTEED proposal...