Value of: Trade Winners (10 years)

[WalterSobchak]

2008 St. Louis > Toronto - Steen + Coloaiacovo for Stempniak
2012 Ottawa > St. Louis - Bishop for 2013 2nd (Tommy Vannelli)
2013 Tampa > Ottawa - Bishop for Conacher + 2013 4th-traded to Edmonton (Jackson Houck)
2013 Edmonton > St. Louis - Perron for Paajarvi + 2014 2nd (Ivan Barbashev)
2014 Chicago > Calgary - Bollig for 2014 4th-later traded to St. Louis (Ville Husso)
2014 Nashville > Edmonton - Dubnyk for Hendricks
2015 Edmonton > Pittsburgh - Perron for Klinkhammer + 2015 1st-traded to NYI (Mathew Barzal)

 

[NJDevils17]

Devils>Vancouver --> Schneider for 9th Overall(Bo Horvat)

 

[McPhatty00]

I don't know, man. Chiarelli got quite the haul from Seguin and Hall. That HAS to be a win, right?

 

[Addison Rae]

Devils>Vancouver --> Schneider for 9th Overall(Bo Horvat)

even trade

 

[Caged Great]

Calgary has won most of the trades since Treliving came aboard.

Hamilton for 1st + 2 2nd's
Glencross for 2nd (incl in Hamilton trade) + 3rd (Included with our 3rd to get Kylington)
Hudler for 2nd (Tyler Parsons)
Russell for Jokipakka, Pollock, 2nd (Dillon Dube)
Even Jones going for a 6th and Backstrom seems to be decent as Phillips looks to be a skilled prospect and it opened a spot for other guys to play.

Moving further back, trades like Gauthier + Saprykin for Langkow was good, Huselius for a no-namer was good. Not a lot else there though.

 

[jason1919spezza]

For the Spezza deal, it looks bad for the sens yes. But we had no control over that, Spezza had complete control over where he went. Paul and Gagne (the pick we got from Dallas was the main thing we used to move up and get Gagne) both look like great prospects and both have a future in pre hockey, their effectiveness is still yet to be seen.

It's still a terrible trade nevertheless. The sens had to deal Spezza, but don't tell me that the front office couldn't do a better job in acquiring useable assets. Nill basically gave a player who was a borderline NHL regular with the potential to be a top 9 NHL player, and some scrubs who weren't liekly going to be a NHL player anyways.

And the fact that Hemsky stated that he won't sign with Ottawa if Spezza wasn't going to stay with the Senators...it was basically Spezza+Hemsky for absolutely nothing.

The media (and a lot of fans) ran him out of town, and well...the rest is history lol. As a sens fan, it sucks...but let's not try to act like this deal wasn't the organization's fault, because it was.

 

[jason1919spezza]

So weird how Michalek turned out to be the best of the Heatley trade...Heatley deserved it though.

 

[heilongjetsfan]

Winnipeg>Buffalo
Kane, Bogosian
For
Roslovic, Lemieux, Armia, Myers, Stafford.
Roslovic had a great season, Armia's finally cracked the NHL, Lemieux would make 25+ rosters this year, but maybe not ours. Myers has been as advertised and Stafford is one-dimensional but an effective scoring winger.
Bogo boges and Kane keeps kaning.
Jets Win!

 

[DaveG]

Just the Canes trades, going to leave out ones which were a wash either because neither team really gained anything of value or both teams got good value.

CAR - TOR: Liles, Robertson - Gleason - Carolina win
CAR - MTL: Spacek - Kaberle - Carolina win
CAR - WPG: 3rd (Filipe), 5th (Smallman) - Tlusty - too early to tell, no edge
CAR - VAN: 3rd (Levi) - Alberts - no edge
CAR - EDM: Reily Nash - 2nd (Marincin) - small Carolina edge
CAR - CGY: Ian White, Brett Sutter - Babchuk, Kostopoulos - edge Calgary
CAR - TOR: Tlusty - Paradis - huge Carolina win
CAR - EDM: Eric Cole, 5th (Kennedy) - O'Sullivan, 2nd (Blacker) - Carolina win
CAR - EDM: Pitkanen - Eric Cole - Carolina win
CAR - OTT: Stillman, Commodore - Eaves, Corvo - even

so 1 where Carolina lost for sure, another that is debatable (stillman trade), and 5 that the Canes clearly won.

 

[Whileee]

Wpg>Chi. Ladd...Dano and 1st
Wpg>Buf. Kane, Bogo...Myers, Stafford, Armia, Lemieux, Roslovic

 

[ginner classic]

even trade

Nope. As of right now that's a devils win.

 

[BoldNewLettuce]

If American teams seem more "entertaining" then you might get leverage for billions of dollars more in a TV deal. This means more money for players in the long-run. Not to mention taxes, weather and the fact that 5/6 of the trade partners are American.

But yeah I'd be surprised if there wasn't league pressure behind certain deals.

 

[ginner classic]

Canadian teams have been poorly managed in the last decade. That seems obvious as they all missed the playoffs this year and none have won a cup since 1993. Bad trades are a symptom of bad management. It is not clear to me what the causes of the management problems really are. Are Candian owners to blame for impatience and over involvement? In Vancouver that is currently a problem. It was a huge issue in Edmonton.

 

[slappipappi]

Kessel trade. I think this is one of the few that both teams lost. Kessel was good in TOR for a while but became the whipping boy. BOS could be considered the winner based on their cup win but neither Seguin or Hamilton stuck around and they really didn't get good returns for either.

Boston got 3 high draft picks for Hamilton, so it's inaccurate to say they got little for him.

 

[slappipappi]

Wpg>Chi. Ladd...Dano and 1st

It's a trade deadline deal, really hard to put that in prospective.

In fact, you might argue that Dano and a first isn't good value for Ladd, expect he had an expiring contract.

The Jets certainly aren't a better team without Ladd.

 

[PetterssonSimp]

Nope. As of right now that's a devils win.

How so? The Devils have rather gotten worse than when first acquiring Schneids to also never sniffing the playoffs the whole tenure of his time in the crease.
Bo Horvat has come in and played 12 mins a night as a 19year old with a 25 point season, only to follow it up with a 16 mins a night 40 point season as a 20 year being heavily relied upon to be a shutdown centre as the guy who was acquired to be that missed 60 games last year.

Right now this is quite fair when you compare the success of each player since being traded. You wanna throw intangible stuff like team direction and positional depth you can possibly sway the trade one way or the other. Sure the Canucks had to spend 6 million for 3 seasons on a 33 year old goaltender, but were able to remove themselves from the biggest albatross contract in the league for a goaltender of similar age whole only spending 700K more in cap space. We got 2 servicable season from Matthias and have developed Markstrom into our stop gap starter after leading our AHL team to a Calder final appearance and then being a steady backup who just earned himself nearly 11 million more to continue as our starter.
Whereas the Devils have drafted players who are quite similar in a lot of play style ways to Bo Horvat in the top15 of the NHL draft since not drafting Bo Horvat.

 

[Juxtaposer]

a little early no? we turned Kessel into Andersen and Kapanen. strong playoffs aside, Kessel wasnt a fit in the top 6 and only had 59pts....

Kessel almost (and should have) won the Conn Smythe the first year after he left the Leafs. That trade is a CLEAR win for Pittsburgh. The only reason you could "argue" it was good for the Leafs is because it actively made the Leafs worse and so helped their tank, but that's stupid troll logic and plain not how it works.

How so? The Devils have rather gotten worse than when first acquiring Schneids to also never sniffing the playoffs the whole tenure of his time in the crease.
Bo Horvat has come in and played 12 mins a night as a 19year old with a 25 point season, only to follow it up with a 16 mins a night 40 point season as a 20 year being heavily relied upon to be a shutdown centre as the guy who was acquired to be that missed 60 games last year.

Right now this is quite fair when you compare the success of each player since being traded. You wanna throw intangible stuff like team direction and positional depth you can possibly sway the trade one way or the other. Sure the Canucks had to spend 6 million for 3 seasons on a 33 year old goaltender, but were able to remove themselves from the biggest albatross contract in the league for a goaltender of similar age whole only spending 700K more in cap space. We got 2 servicable season from Matthias and have developed Markstrom into our stop gap starter after leading our AHL team to a Calder final appearance and then being a steady backup who just earned himself nearly 11 million more to continue as our starter.
Whereas the Devils have drafted players who are quite similar in a lot of play style ways to Bo Horvat in the top15 of the NHL draft since not drafting Bo Horvat.

Corey Schneider >>>>>>>>>> Bo Horvat.

Funny how you mention that the Devils have gotten worse since trading for Schneider (as if that had nothing to do with Parise/Kovelchuk/Zajac/Elias), but fail to mention how Vancouver went from perennial Cup contender to arguably worst team in the league. Almost like you have an agenda or something.

Boston got 3 high draft picks for Hamilton, so it's inaccurate to say they got little for him.

13th overall and two mid-2nds are not "high draft picks". It's horrible return for Hamilton, no two ways about it.

 

[NJDevils17]

How so? The Devils have rather gotten worse than when first acquiring Schneids to also never sniffing the playoffs the whole tenure of his time in the crease.
Bo Horvat has come in and played 12 mins a night as a 19year old with a 25 point season, only to follow it up with a 16 mins a night 40 point season as a 20 year being heavily relied upon to be a shutdown centre as the guy who was acquired to be that missed 60 games last year.

Right now this is quite fair when you compare the success of each player since being traded. You wanna throw intangible stuff like team direction and positional depth you can possibly sway the trade one way or the other. Sure the Canucks had to spend 6 million for 3 seasons on a 33 year old goaltender, but were able to remove themselves from the biggest albatross contract in the league for a goaltender of similar age whole only spending 700K more in cap space. We got 2 servicable season from Matthias and have developed Markstrom into our stop gap starter after leading our AHL team to a Calder final appearance and then being a steady backup who just earned himself nearly 11 million more to continue as our starter.
Whereas the Devils have drafted players who are quite similar in a lot of play style ways to Bo Horvat in the top15 of the NHL draft since not drafting Bo Horvat.

Schneider is a top 3/5 goalie in the NHL. I'd rather have him than Horvat 10/10 times every day of the week.

And that's not a knock against Bo either, I think he's a very good player. Schneider is just elite at his position.

The Devils getting worse with Schneider has nothing to do with him. Losing three 30 goal scorers is the reason why. I love that he's part of our future right now. He doesn't have a lot of work for a goalie his age and there's nothing to suggest he'll slow down anytime soon.

 

[Mal Reynolds]

Schneider is a top 3/5 goalie in the NHL. I'd rather have him than Horvat 10/10 times every day of the week.

And that's not a knock against Bo either, I think he's a very good player. Schneider is just elite at his position.

The Devils getting worse with Schneider has nothing to do with him. Losing three 30 goal scorers is the reason why. I love that he's part of our future right now. He doesn't have a lot of work for a goalie his age and there's nothing to suggest he'll slow down anytime soon.

As a Canuck fan, I'd have to agree with this. That said, we got a pretty good return (top ten pick that turned into a guy who is tracking very well as a #2 center; some would argue he's there already and they'd have a good case)

Goalies almost always tend to fetch less in a trade than the fanbase expects (i.e. some Ducks fans were hoping for a higher first than they got for Andersen)

Pretty hard to argue that the Devs didn't get the better player but given the circumstances and market, the Canucks did OK too. Bo is still young & progressing too. If he *really* busts out, we could maybe break even here

 

[BertCorbeau]

Kessel almost (and should have) won the Conn Smythe the first year after he left the Leafs. That trade is a CLEAR win for Pittsburgh. The only reason you could "argue" it was good for the Leafs is because it actively made the Leafs worse and so helped their tank, but that's stupid troll logic and plain not how it works.

From the Leafs POV moving Kessel last summer was more about the long-term impacts vs the Pens wanting to win now. It worked perfectly for the Pens so far but it remains to be seen for the Leafs. And I'm not talking about simply getting worse to land Matthews. If Kapanen, Andersen, or Greenway (taken with the 3rd rounder the Leafs got in the Kessel trade) are major contributors in the Leafs winning a cup in the future, it's more even. But it's still a long shot at this point for sure.

 

[DarthProbert]

The Isles got significantly more value in that deal. You're counting on a miracle from Reinhart just to even it up. Even if none of the 3 make the NHL, the Oilers lose because they could have done more with those assets.

No they couldn't. The Oilers never get anything to show for 2nd round(or later) picks.

 

[Volica]

Calgary has won most of the trades since Treliving came aboard.

Hamilton for 1st + 2 2nd's
Glencross for 2nd (incl in Hamilton trade) + 3rd (Included with our 3rd to get Kylington)
Hudler for 2nd (Tyler Parsons)
Russell for Jokipakka, Pollock, 2nd (Dillon Dube)
Even Jones going for a 6th and Backstrom seems to be decent as Phillips looks to be a skilled prospect and it opened a spot for other guys to play.

Moving further back, trades like Gauthier + Saprykin for Langkow was good, Huselius for a no-namer was good. Not a lot else there though.

I thought of the Tre regime too. He's done well, turning UFA's every year into good currency.

The fact he traded Glenny while in a playoff race, got into the playoffs then parlayed those picks in a package for Dougie Hamilton is absolute genius.

 

[JT Kreider]

How so? The Devils have rather gotten worse than when first acquiring Schneids to also never sniffing the playoffs the whole tenure of his time in the crease.
Bo Horvat has come in and played 12 mins a night as a 19year old with a 25 point season, only to follow it up with a 16 mins a night 40 point season as a 20 year being heavily relied upon to be a shutdown centre as the guy who was acquired to be that missed 60 games last year.

Right now this is quite fair when you compare the success of each player since being traded. You wanna throw intangible stuff like team direction and positional depth you can possibly sway the trade one way or the other. Sure the Canucks had to spend 6 million for 3 seasons on a 33 year old goaltender, but were able to remove themselves from the biggest albatross contract in the league for a goaltender of similar age whole only spending 700K more in cap space. We got 2 servicable season from Matthias and have developed Markstrom into our stop gap starter after leading our AHL team to a Calder final appearance and then being a steady backup who just earned himself nearly 11 million more to continue as our starter.
Whereas the Devils have drafted players who are quite similar in a lot of play style ways to Bo Horvat in the top15 of the NHL draft since not drafting Bo Horvat.

TL,DR (beyond the first sentence at least) Schneider is a top 5 if not top 3 goalie in the league.

Horvat is a dime a dozen good young player.

Devils have a good shot at making the playoffs this season. Canucks do not, for a very long time. If we're talking about the state of both franchises.

 

[Juxtaposer]

From the Leafs POV moving Kessel last summer was more about the long-term impacts vs the Pens wanting to win now. It worked perfectly for the Pens so far but it remains to be seen for the Leafs. And I'm not talking about simply getting worse to land Matthews. If Kapanen, Andersen, or Greenway (taken with the 3rd rounder the Leafs got in the Kessel trade) are major contributors in the Leafs winning a cup in the future, it's more even. But it's still a long shot at this point for sure.

The Leafs could have landed Andersen with their own 2nd, so you don't get to credit the Kessel deal for him. Kapanen is a meh prospect and I will be beyond shocked if he's ever a major contributor to a Cup win, never mind with the Leafs, and never mind that the Leafs have so much young forward depth that he's pretty redundant; for example, the Leafs acquired Kerby Rychel for a song and I like him more than Kapanen. Greenway is a nothing. The Kessel trade was bad for the Leafs on value. They lost the trade in value. That isn't arguable. Whether or not the trade actualy ends up benefiting the Leafs is up in their air. But that the Leafs lost the trade is not debatable. You cannot say you won a trade that you lost in terms of value because you wanted to get worse. And in terms of value the Leafs didn't get nearly enough for Kessel. End of story.

 

[BeastoftheEast85]

^+1 amazing how 2 teams turned what ended up being Kessel for Seguin and Hamilton into a some mid picks and average prospects