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Get out of here Philli fan! We can't be making up random facts and rumours if you guys are coming in here to debunk them!
Haha that was the best. Chris Hansen-like moment of fact-debunking.
Get out of here Philli fan! We can't be making up random facts and rumours if you guys are coming in here to debunk them!
Not like we have a #1C or anything...because that's an easy asset to acquire...
Chicago is looking for a number two center and doesn't seem too impressed with Bolland and Seabrook. How about this blockbuster:
To Chicago:
7th Overall Pick
Sam Gagner
Martin Marincin
To Edmonton:
Brent Seabrook
Dave Bolland
Andrew Shaw
MDZ>7th overall
JT Miller>Harti+2nd (He's a 15th overall pick and projects to be a top-6 F once he finishes development).
For the life of me I can't understand the Oilers fanbase. This is the group of fans that for years cried for a rebuild because the foundation was absent and the team was going nowhere.
Now the team is experiencing the growing pains of rebuilding has a tremendous group of top line forwards and a group of young defensemen that look very promising one who not only just played his first pro season but his first full season and not the college length.
So what do these fans do? They turn around and want to fire and trade anyone and everyone on the team for some sort of rebuild shortcut and a sniff at the playoffs regardless of what it does to the looks of the team going forward. It's just puzzling, I have no idea how it seems that this large group of people lost their patience and their sense of perspective on any gains the team has made over the last year.
Or any of the kids for that matter, seriously these kids need a better Fitness instructor or Nutritionist, whatever it is they need besides steroids please get it oilers management, they still look like junior players out there.Anyone know why Schultz is so skinny? Really hampers his ability to break up a cycle. I'm not expecting him to be Byfuglien, but being a 6'2 185lb 22 year old NHL defenseman is very skinny. Once his body isn't a detriment to him, he'll be much better defensively because of his hockey IQ and stickwork.
this right here , wow. I'm sure you would say the same thing if Karlsson was on our team lol, ur crazy dude. Schultz is gonna put up Karlsson numbers or close to. Shattenkirk? u gotta be kidding me Carlson? FAULK ! jeez man, seriously what u smoking?Schultz is about the same level of Dougie right now, the reason I'd do that deal 1-for-1 is because of the potential of Hamilton.
As for Voynov, to me he's clearly on another level when compared to Schultz - and both players were taken in the same draft. He's already a #2 defenseman for LAK, playing + hockey and leading their D in ESP. At 22, he's anchoring the 2nd pairing for a contender (as some #2 Dmen are entrusted to do, like Shattenkirk). He also averaged more than a minute more of PP time per game than Schultz. To me, at his age he's a slightly inferior PP player than Schultz, while being a MUCH better ES/PK player. In my mind he's not only the better player now, but projects to be better down the road as well.
John Carlson is already a #2 defenseman for the Capitals - arguably their best 2-way defenseman (ahead of Green and Alzner). He is far and away better than Justin Schultz, and ahead of Voynov as well. Big body, and a great ES player. This a no-brainer 1-for-1 deal in my mind, for a guy that again, was picked in the same draft year as Schutlz
Justin Faulk is nowhere near the PP threat that Justin Schultz is, but again is one of those guys that is a great even-strength player. In my mind his injury was one of the bigger reasons for CAR's late-season meltdown, along with Ward's injuries. He's 2 years younger than Schultz - part of his allure is the potential factor.
I'm going to be honest, I value even-strength efficacy over PP production. The Oilers PP was 3rd in the NHL with Jeff Petry/Cory Potter/Tom Gilbert as their main triggermen. They put Justin Schultz there and feed him heavy, heavy minutes (3:12 for Schultz vs 2:28 for Potter, 2:05 for Gilbert, and 1:15 for Petry) so he can accumulate PP points, and they slip to 8th place with Schultz. This is with essentially the same group of players on the top unit to play with. Schultz's contribution to our PP's success is minimal compared to lesser-heralded players in the same position/role.
To have a complete player like Voynov/Carlson manning the point at ES coming at the expense of a bit of PP efficacy is well worth it for me.
Fixed, in my book everyone is available for the right price but the three I keep over everyone are Yak, Hall, and Eb's.
Why, because he got walked by Nyqvist on one play?
I don't see any reason for them to move Seabrook on that dream contract.
CHI can't afford to trade Seabrook. They might as well just go after Weiss.Chicago is looking for a number two center and doesn't seem too impressed with Bolland and Seabrook. How about this blockbuster:
To Chicago:
7th Overall Pick
Sam Gagner
Martin Marincin
To Edmonton:
Brent Seabrook
Dave Bolland
Andrew Shaw
I don't see why we'd target Johansen unless it was for dirt cheap. Guy has a lot of issues at this point.Lowetide mentioned problems in CLB with Ryan Johansen today on his show....
http://www.jacketscannon.com/2013/5...season-is-ryan-johansen-going-to-be-a-problem
With Howson in Edm and the Oilers past interest in him, I would see if we could swing a trade for RyJo and R. Murray:
Gagner, Hemsky (1/2 salary), 1st rd pick 2013
for
Murray an RyJo
Who said anything about being a contender? Isn't the goal to take the next step? And no it's not hard to have 6-8 new faces. Bottom 6 players can be acquired via free agency very easily as well as bottom pairing d-men.The problem with that analogy is that after trading away Nash the BJ's really didn't have the same talent pool left over like the Oilers would.
Trading away one or two pieces of the youth movement to fill out the roster with some functional size is going to have to happen at some point.
Where else do you think it's going to come from? Draft picks and FA signings?
With what exactly? Do you really think that trading the current bottom six along with draft picks is going to fill out the rest of the roster with better players? Who in their right mind is going to give us these players for nothing?
I'd love to hear the trade proposals and FA signings that are going to bring in 6-8 new players that will make this a contending team without giving anything of value away, because we only have 6-7 pieces that have any value to other teams.
Anyone know why Schultz is so skinny? Really hampers his ability to break up a cycle. I'm not expecting him to be Byfuglien, but being a 6'2 185lb 22 year old NHL defenseman is very skinny. Once his body isn't a detriment to him, he'll be much better defensively because of his hockey IQ and stickwork.
schultz is a phenominal skater and has excelent hockey sense, there is no reason to believe he wont be able to round out his game and be effective in both ends of the rink.
Be interesting to see what they do, but a lot will depend on what these young kids can show. I think the B's sooner move Kelly or Peverley or just let Ference walk.Looking on the main board there are a couple trades I would love to see this offseason.
Trading our #1 pick this year for Edler seemed to be agreed upon for the most part, but obviously tinkering can be had.
Acquiring Johnny Boychuk for a 2nd round pick + a B level prospect is what most Boston fans find appropriate because they are trying to dump salary.
Those two acquisition immediately make our defence one of the best in the league.
Edler-Boychuk
Smid-Petry
Schultz/Klefbom-Schultz
As much as I'd love for the team to buy out Horcoff, none of the 2nd/3rd guys you listed really fit. Weiss is going to a Horcoffian contract to play a top 6 role, Roy and Bozak are Gagner-lite, and MacDonald is more of a top 6 player. The rest of them are downgrades. Cheaper, but still downgrades.
Aside from Steckel, who's probably going to get a massive pay raise, I'd be interested in pretty much everyone you listed in the 3rd/4th category over Belanger.
Article in Winnipeg Freepress stating Burmistrov wants out. Asked for trade at past deadline and now says will not play with the Jets (but will not sign in KHL according to agent)
Article in Winnipeg Freepress stating Burmistrov wants out. Asked for trade at past deadline and now says will not play with the Jets (but will not sign in KHL according to agent)
Is anyone else as confused as to why people continue to suggest that Couturier is available out of Philly as I am?