Speculation: Trade Rumors and Proposals Part III
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Yes, because another undersized puck mover is exactly what the the Flames defense is missing! Size does matter, and anyone that ever told you otherwise, was lying.
I think you ddin't get what I was trying to say. Burke likes big defensemen; you know that, right?
Sorry, took it the wrong way. I'd be in on Niskanen, had we not resigned Russell.
Johnny Hoxville
The Return of a Legend
Franson is an RFA, so it's not like where you deal a 3rd or 4th before July 1st to increase your window to get him signed. I proposed earlier Hanowski and the Avs 2nd. I think that's fair value and man would he fit in nicely on our team. He won't be free, but I definitely think he's available.
The thing about Franson, is that his defensive game really isn't very good. He's a 30+ guy and he'll likely be asking for something in the 4-5 million range. I wonder what the asking price for Schenn would be? I feel he would be a better fit playing with Russell or Gio. Franson's best fit would probably be Smid and that's a lot of cash tied up on the 3rd pairing.
TheHudlinator
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Rumor (from Eklund so take it for what its worth) is that Buffalo could move thier first this year. If Buffalo is looking to load up on 2015 picks would Jankowski + CGY 2015 1st + for Buf 2014 1st is worth considering for either team?Is it worth it to get Ekblad + Dal Colle (for example) and give up a chance at McDavid or do we keep the 2015 1st no matter what just in case? Curious what you guys think.
Taranis
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I don't think we will be bad enough to have a high enough chance of drafting McDavid. Mind you the price you listed is too high for me, giving up more for the here and now is how we got in this situation in the first place.
Johnny Hoxville
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Hud, that's really tough. If you look at this seasons trend, it's very plausible to assume we will be a better team next year. Adding Ekblad + Dal Colle/Draisiatl would be tremendous for our future. However, if that trend takes a step back which is very common with rebuilding franchises (ie. Colorado, Isles), it would be a failure of epic proportions. McDavid and Eichel both look to be potential elite franchise players.
TheHudlinator
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Yea I can't figure out if I would do it. I think we will finish around 5th next year short of any major additions in the offseason so the question is who ever we get around there next year going to help us more than Ekblad (he is the only one worth trading up for) will? I am tempted as we could potentially fill our #1 defenseman hole and get a top line player. IMO its a Burke type move.
I guess the question for me would be is: Will Jankowski or Dal Colle end up as the better player?
Don't think you give up the 2015 pick at any cost. The team looks like it could improve next year year but one key injury could mean the difference between 1st overall and 10th overall. I'd be pretty happy with Dal Colle right now, considering Ekblads isn't a clear cut favorite. Most I'd do is Sven + our 1st to move into 1st overall, considering next years 1st has a very real possibility of being better than Baertschi. If the flames were in 3rd, it wouldn't take more than that. The value just isn't there in this draft, I'd love Ekblad but not at that price.
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Mr Lebowski
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MY FLAMES OFF-SEASON
DRAFT
5th overall (1st pick): Leon Draisaitl, Prince Albert WHL
52-26-52-78-20•6"2, 215 lbs
He's a player that should be NHL ready next year if not in two years. He's dominated the WHL and carried his team to the playoffs. He's been compared to Joe Thorton and Anze Kopitar. His defense is the best by a forward in this draft. His 200 ft game is phenominal. He makes everyone around him a lot better with his playmaking ability. His work ethic and IQ is elite. He's just a hard worker. Also his backhand is something to run home about
NHL ETA: 2014-2015
NHL COMPARISON: Joe Thorton/Anze Kopitar
FUTURE ROLE: 1st line centre
TRADE 35th OVERALL, 2015 6th RDP FOR 45th OVERALL, 105th OVERALL
45th overall (2nd pick): Jack Dougherty D, USHL
16-4-7-11-15•6"1, 185 lbs
He's heading to the U of Wisconsin next year. Dougherty is a real smart player. His IQ is his best asset. He knows when to join the rush. He's quick on his feet. Quick shot, fast release. Finds lanes on the PP. Throws his weight around. Can play shut down role. Very strong breaking out. Knows where to put, can put it there.
NHL ETA: 2016-2017
NHL COMPARISON: Dennis Wideman
FUTURE ROLE: 3rd/ 4th defenseman
option 2 Jayce Hawleryuk F
54th overall (3rd pick, COL's pick): Alex Peters D, Plymouth
46-3-5-8-35•6"4 195 lbs
Peters is a big defensive defenseman. He reads plays well in his own end. Finishes his checks. Uses his long reach well. He's getting better offensivley every day. He makes great outlet passes. Active stick. He'll eat big minutes. Especially on the PK. That's one of his specialties. Blocks a lot of shots. Brother of Justin Peters (CAR)
NHL ETA: 2016-2017
NHL COMPARISON: Francois Beachemin
FUTURE ROLE: top 4 defenseman
65th overall (4th pick): Ben Thomas D, Calgary
69-6-24-30-39•6"2, 185 lbs
His emergence was because he became way more consistent. He is another player with high IQ. Great poise. He doesn't make too many mistakes. He takes on a lot of minutes. He's a multi dimential player. Works in all zones. He'll win a lot of battles. Needs to get a bit stronger. He has good stretch passes and can't stres enough is offensive vision.
NHL ETA: 2017/2018
NHL COMPARISON: Kevin Shattenkirk
FUTURE ROLE: 4th defenseman
86th (5th pick PIT pick) Matt Mistele LW, Plymouth
50-15-18-32-48•6"2, 185 lbs
He's Brian Burke's dream player. He's a big, chippy forward. He'll block shots, win the little battles. Hits and drops the gloves. A bit of an agitator. I love his shot. Fast and accurate. His release is quick yet confusing to opponents. He bothers goalies. Crashes the net, tips pucks, grabs rebounds. He's quick on his feet also
NHL ETA: 2015/2016
NHL COMPARISON: Lance Bouma
FUTURE ROLE: 3rd line power forward
TRADE
TORONTO
2016 2nd
Ryan Culkin
Josh Jooris
CALGARY
Rights to Cody Franson
RE-SIGN
Mike Cammalleri: 2y 5,500,000 with LNTC (pick 7 teams he can't got to)
Ben Hanowski: 3y 9250,000 two-way
Paul Byron: 2y 1,125,000
Joe Colborne: 2y 1,500,000
Lance Bouma: 3y 1,250,000
Joni Ortio: 2y 825,000 with bonus of 775,000 if he starts 25+ games two-way
Chad Billins: 2y 825,000 two way
Blair Jones: 2y 675,000
Olivier Roy: 3y 700,000 two way
Johnny Gaudreau: 3y 925,000 EL with 1,775,000 bonus if he plays 50+ games in a season two way
Bill Arnold: 3y 925,000 EL two-way
Brett Kulak: 3y 800,000 EL two way
Cody Franson: 4y 4,500,000
Leon Draisaitl: 3y 925,000 EL
Kenny Agostino: 3y 875,000 EL
B.Jones: 2y 765,000
SIGN
Steve Downie: 4y 4,000,000
Anton Khudobin: 1y 1,625,000
Mark Fayne: 2y 1,850,000
* Galiardi: 2y 1,250,000 QO and second offer of 1,350,000
* qualofy him to make him RFA, wait until training camp. If someone signs him then we get 2nd or 3rd if not then re-sign andmput him on trading block
TRADE
ANAHEIM
Jiri Hudler
Carter Bancks
Truner Elson
Rights to Mark Cundari
CALGARY
Hampus Lindholm
Cond 5th in ANA makes conference finals
2014/2015 LINEUP
Cammalleri (5.5) - Monahan (.925) - Glencross (2.55)
Bouma (1.25) - Backlund (1.5) - Downie (4)
Baertschi (1.4) - Draisaitl (.925) - Colborne (1.5)
Reinhart (.618) - Stajan (3.125) - D.Jones (4)
SCRATCHES: McGrattan (.750)
Brodie (2.125) - Giordano (4.02)
Smid (3.5) - Franson (4.5)
Russell (2.6) - Wideman (5.25)
SCRATCHES: NONE
Ramo (2.75)
Khudobin (1.625)
If Ortio lights up AHL again then bring him up, if he has success then trade Khudobin
CAP: 57,256,000 which is over floor
ABBOTSFORD
Gaudreau (.925 2Way) - Arnold (.925 2Way) - Poirier (.925 2Way)
Klimchuk (.925 2Way) - Granlund (.767 2Way) - Byron (1.125)
Ferland (.612 2Way) - Knight (.900 2Way) - Hanowski (.925 2Way)
Agostino (.825 2Way) - Trupp (AHL FA) - B.Jones (.675)
Wotherspoon (.925 2Way) - Fayne (1.85)
Lindholm (.925 2Way) - Billins (.825)
Kulak (.825) - Sieloff (.925 2Way)
Ortio (.825)
Roy (.700)
RED = New Player
BLUE = Player from Abby playing in CGY
GREEN = Player from junior playing in Abby
DRAFT
5th overall (1st pick): Leon Draisaitl, Prince Albert WHL
52-26-52-78-20•6"2, 215 lbs
He's a player that should be NHL ready next year if not in two years. He's dominated the WHL and carried his team to the playoffs. He's been compared to Joe Thorton and Anze Kopitar. His defense is the best by a forward in this draft. His 200 ft game is phenominal. He makes everyone around him a lot better with his playmaking ability. His work ethic and IQ is elite. He's just a hard worker. Also his backhand is something to run home about
NHL ETA: 2014-2015
NHL COMPARISON: Joe Thorton/Anze Kopitar
FUTURE ROLE: 1st line centre
TRADE 35th OVERALL, 2015 6th RDP FOR 45th OVERALL, 105th OVERALL
45th overall (2nd pick): Jack Dougherty D, USHL
16-4-7-11-15•6"1, 185 lbs
He's heading to the U of Wisconsin next year. Dougherty is a real smart player. His IQ is his best asset. He knows when to join the rush. He's quick on his feet. Quick shot, fast release. Finds lanes on the PP. Throws his weight around. Can play shut down role. Very strong breaking out. Knows where to put, can put it there.
NHL ETA: 2016-2017
NHL COMPARISON: Dennis Wideman
FUTURE ROLE: 3rd/ 4th defenseman
option 2 Jayce Hawleryuk F
54th overall (3rd pick, COL's pick): Alex Peters D, Plymouth
46-3-5-8-35•6"4 195 lbs
Peters is a big defensive defenseman. He reads plays well in his own end. Finishes his checks. Uses his long reach well. He's getting better offensivley every day. He makes great outlet passes. Active stick. He'll eat big minutes. Especially on the PK. That's one of his specialties. Blocks a lot of shots. Brother of Justin Peters (CAR)
NHL ETA: 2016-2017
NHL COMPARISON: Francois Beachemin
FUTURE ROLE: top 4 defenseman
65th overall (4th pick): Ben Thomas D, Calgary
69-6-24-30-39•6"2, 185 lbs
His emergence was because he became way more consistent. He is another player with high IQ. Great poise. He doesn't make too many mistakes. He takes on a lot of minutes. He's a multi dimential player. Works in all zones. He'll win a lot of battles. Needs to get a bit stronger. He has good stretch passes and can't stres enough is offensive vision.
NHL ETA: 2017/2018
NHL COMPARISON: Kevin Shattenkirk
FUTURE ROLE: 4th defenseman
86th (5th pick PIT pick) Matt Mistele LW, Plymouth
50-15-18-32-48•6"2, 185 lbs
He's Brian Burke's dream player. He's a big, chippy forward. He'll block shots, win the little battles. Hits and drops the gloves. A bit of an agitator. I love his shot. Fast and accurate. His release is quick yet confusing to opponents. He bothers goalies. Crashes the net, tips pucks, grabs rebounds. He's quick on his feet also
NHL ETA: 2015/2016
NHL COMPARISON: Lance Bouma
FUTURE ROLE: 3rd line power forward
TRADE
TORONTO
2016 2nd
Ryan Culkin
Josh Jooris
CALGARY
Rights to Cody Franson
RE-SIGN
Mike Cammalleri: 2y 5,500,000 with LNTC (pick 7 teams he can't got to)
Ben Hanowski: 3y 9250,000 two-way
Paul Byron: 2y 1,125,000
Joe Colborne: 2y 1,500,000
Lance Bouma: 3y 1,250,000
Joni Ortio: 2y 825,000 with bonus of 775,000 if he starts 25+ games two-way
Chad Billins: 2y 825,000 two way
Blair Jones: 2y 675,000
Olivier Roy: 3y 700,000 two way
Johnny Gaudreau: 3y 925,000 EL with 1,775,000 bonus if he plays 50+ games in a season two way
Bill Arnold: 3y 925,000 EL two-way
Brett Kulak: 3y 800,000 EL two way
Cody Franson: 4y 4,500,000
Leon Draisaitl: 3y 925,000 EL
Kenny Agostino: 3y 875,000 EL
B.Jones: 2y 765,000
SIGN
Steve Downie: 4y 4,000,000
Anton Khudobin: 1y 1,625,000
Mark Fayne: 2y 1,850,000
* Galiardi: 2y 1,250,000 QO and second offer of 1,350,000
* qualofy him to make him RFA, wait until training camp. If someone signs him then we get 2nd or 3rd if not then re-sign andmput him on trading block
TRADE
ANAHEIM
Jiri Hudler
Carter Bancks
Truner Elson
Rights to Mark Cundari
CALGARY
Hampus Lindholm
Cond 5th in ANA makes conference finals
2014/2015 LINEUP
Cammalleri (5.5) - Monahan (.925) - Glencross (2.55)
Bouma (1.25) - Backlund (1.5) - Downie (4)
Baertschi (1.4) - Draisaitl (.925) - Colborne (1.5)
Reinhart (.618) - Stajan (3.125) - D.Jones (4)
SCRATCHES: McGrattan (.750)
Brodie (2.125) - Giordano (4.02)
Smid (3.5) - Franson (4.5)
Russell (2.6) - Wideman (5.25)
SCRATCHES: NONE
Ramo (2.75)
Khudobin (1.625)
If Ortio lights up AHL again then bring him up, if he has success then trade Khudobin
CAP: 57,256,000 which is over floor
ABBOTSFORD
Gaudreau (.925 2Way) - Arnold (.925 2Way) - Poirier (.925 2Way)
Klimchuk (.925 2Way) - Granlund (.767 2Way) - Byron (1.125)
Ferland (.612 2Way) - Knight (.900 2Way) - Hanowski (.925 2Way)
Agostino (.825 2Way) - Trupp (AHL FA) - B.Jones (.675)
Wotherspoon (.925 2Way) - Fayne (1.85)
Lindholm (.925 2Way) - Billins (.825)
Kulak (.825) - Sieloff (.925 2Way)
Ortio (.825)
Roy (.700)
RED = New Player
BLUE = Player from Abby playing in CGY
GREEN = Player from junior playing in Abby
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Way too many signings. Both for roster spots and in contract space. Been and Jones are done. Street and Roy are done. And we keep likely 2 or 3 of Billins, Cundari, Byron and Hanowski. I'm pretty sure you went over the contract limit KGL.
Remember, Klimchuck will need a contract at the end of the 2014 season, as will Jankowski. So we need to keep only 48 contacts for those two. Plus we want our 2014 first rounder to sign. We could sign a lot of these guys like Street and Jones to AHL contracts, but then they take up space where we need to develop the next crop. Plus Street deserves a shot somewhere to be an NHLer
Remember, Klimchuck will need a contract at the end of the 2014 season, as will Jankowski. So we need to keep only 48 contacts for those two. Plus we want our 2014 first rounder to sign. We could sign a lot of these guys like Street and Jones to AHL contracts, but then they take up space where we need to develop the next crop. Plus Street deserves a shot somewhere to be an NHLer
Mr Lebowski
Go Flames
I made a few changes. Trade Cundari rights to T.O. Let Street go. Don't sign Sobotka. Reinhart is NHL ready. If we need more space then we don't sign Khudobin. And maybe buyout D.Jones or try and get a pick which I bet we could. And use a non compliance buyout on SOB. I think we have another year in Janko. And I thought Klimchuk was already signed but not sure
EDIT Just checked. Klimchuk is signed. We have 46 contracts right now. I let go 13 contracts. Added 9. So could've signed others. That's just a base. I'd like to know the final roster more
EDIT Just checked. Klimchuk is signed. We have 46 contracts right now. I let go 13 contracts. Added 9. So could've signed others. That's just a base. I'd like to know the final roster more
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Mr Lebowski
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I really like Dougherty. I have him in the first round. He's a very good two way Dman who reminds me of Robert Hägg from last year's draft. Unless Karlsson, Ho-Sang, Schmaltz or McKeown fall in our hands. The other propsect I like that'd be worth trafing down is Jayce Hawleryuk. Great sneaky sniper that is developing a two way game.
I think the two goals this off-season is...
Get bigger-Downie, Franson, Mistele and Fayne are pretty big. Draisaitl plays big and sign Agostino. And maybe Sobotka (grit not size)
Sure up D-Lindholm plays with Brodie. Dougherty is top 4 and Thomas I think is top 4
Another thing is I really like the FA's I signed. Depending if we buyout Jones or trade Jones Sobotka is a great bottom 6 gritty two way forward that has a scring rouch. He blocks shots and is a great PKer. Blazing speed. Fayne is a big, tough Dman that is quick and moves the puck. Only 26. Great fit. Downie is a big power forward that I'm hoping Mistele or Colborne emulaes him a little. Colborne has more skill but. Downie is only 27. Hits hard and has some speed. I love the shutdown and young line of Bouma-Backlund-Downie. Or Glencross-Backlund-Downie
Johnny Hoxville
The Return of a Legend
Apparently some Chicago posters on the main board believe Hayes may not sign with them, probably because how deep that team is. If this is true, you would think we would be the favourites to land him. We have the room to give him a legit opportunity and we have both his linemates. Get on this Burkie!!
Guido Sarducci
Registered User
Tough call. I don't think Jankowski would be enough to get it done though. I think I'd rather use the 2014 1st as the main piece in a trade to move up a few spots.
I could see this. Even if we sign Gaudeau, it betters our chances at Arnold. Those two together have to improve our chances at Hayes. They were the best line in the NCAA this year, maybe one of the best in the NCAA. Those guys carried something silly like 70% of the team's offense. I don't know if that number is true but I remember it being high!
Hayes would have a legit shot in the Flames system being a RW, a position we're terribly weak in
Peen
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OT: Would you guys move Baertschi for Jensen?
I know draft position comes into place.. but I was just wondering.
I get the feeling I'd get flamed on both sides if I proposed this on the main board because of teams overvaluing prospects
I know draft position comes into place.. but I was just wondering.
I get the feeling I'd get flamed on both sides if I proposed this on the main board because of teams overvaluing prospects
Ace Rimmer
Stoke me a clipper.
Right now the value is probably there, but I would be very reluctant to sell low on Bart.
Johnny Hoxville
The Return of a Legend
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