Rumor: Trade Rumors and Proposals: 3C and 2nd Pairing RHD Please!

[Zaddy]

If RW's their weakest position maybe Eberle fits the bill for them. There's obviously a gap to be bridged between the values, but it's an interesting idea.

Lindholm and Lack for Eberle and a pick?

I just don't see what it does for Carolina. Eberle is only signed 2 more years and is much more expensive and not necessarily that much better as a player. I do however believe Carolina would have interest in Eberle, but I don't think they'd part with Lindholm to do it, unless they've seriously soured on him. Obviously getting rid of Läck would be nice, but I don't think that deal is enticing enough for them to pull the trigger.

I also believe they are aggressively looking to get better now, and I would not be shocked to see them deal their 1st round pick this year to get a high end forward. I'm sure they'll be active at the draft with all their picks and trying to get NHL players in return. Don't really think they're looking to add more picks.

 

[bobbythebrain]

I'm with Chia. This was still a 103 point year with Ebs and Nuge and no 3rd line C. Despite the notions that Ebs is gonna cripple this team if he's on it for one more second, same team with an actual bonafide 3rd line C who could win FO's, this team will arguably better.

That and the attempt to give Nuge and Ebs way more favorable matchups...along with Ebs who still put up 51 points playing half a season against top comp, gives these guys way more chance to succeed

Maroon-McD-Ebs
Looch-RNH-Drai
Cags-?(legit 3 C)-SlepRock
JJ-Letestu-Kass

Nurse-Larsson
Klef-Benning
Reinhart-Russel
Sekera(hurt)
?(bottom pair steady eddie FA

This team will still make playoffs. Upgrading....that's what trade deadline is for...like every other competing does. JP should be able to be a call-up also

Then trade a 60+ point Ebs to recoup those assets(Way more value than right now. . Maybe even trade Nuge, who by TM's accounts will focus more on his offense, so he should be a 50+ point C.

 

[oilers89]

Not saying these deals would or could happen. But value wise and how would these deals be

Eberle for eakin
Puljarvi and nuge for dumba and coyle
Nurse for drouin or tyler johnson

 

[ujju2]

I'm with Chia. This was still a 103 point year with Ebs and Nuge and no 3rd line C. Despite the notions that Ebs is gonna cripple this team if he's on it for one more second, same team with an actual bonafide 3rd line C who could win FO's, this team will arguably better.

That and the attempt to give Nuge and Ebs way more favorable matchups...along with Ebs who still put up 51 points playing half a season against top comp, gives these guys way more chance to succeed

Maroon-McD-Ebs
Looch-RNH-Drai
Cags-?(legit 3 C)-SlepRock
JJ-Letestu-Kass

Nurse-Larsson
Klef-Benning
Reinhart-Russel
Sekera(hurt)
?(bottom pair steady eddie FA

This team will still make playoffs. Upgrading....that's what trade deadline is for...like every other competing does. JP should be able to be a call-up also

Then trade a 60+ point Ebs to recoup those assets(Way more value than right now. . Maybe even trade Nuge, who by TM's accounts will focus more on his offense, so he should be a 50+ point C.

I tend to agree. Question is how we acquire that 3c.

 

[McSuper]

Coots is a good defensive center yes. Hes scoring at the exact same rate as Eberle (1.76) ironically in one of Eberles biggest down years. But thats still solid as hes meant for defense first

I like Coots dont get me wrong, but we could get Hanzal for the same price (AAV and term) as a UFA, so no assets given up. Hanzal produces at nearly the same rates and similar defensive player

Coots is an ideal 3c but at 4.3 till 2022 he costs a good chunk of change, plus lots of assets to give up to even get him. Hanzal would be a better option to me

You know there a reason player pass thru waivers every year only to get traded . The reasons , number of contracts and cap going the other way . We need to move out cap to sign a 3rd line C that will be over paid and injured 60% of the time . Remember Draisaitl is getting a good raise

 

[Paralyzer008]

My hope for a cup winner:

Maroon-McDavid-BLANK
Lucic-Draisaitl-BLANK
BLANK-RNH-BLANK
Caggiula-Letestu-Kassian
Slepyshev/Khaira

Let Pitlick, Slepyshev, Puljujarvi and Pakarinen all fight for a spot. If they're good enough in camp to make it to the top 9, so be it. I'd like a revamp of the right side though. A faceoff specialist might be nice, but don't go overboard for it: Maybe grab a guy as a training camp invite as well. Promote battles. I'd like some secondary scoring and also to help Nuge's line become a legit threat. I'd rather have Caggiula as a guy I move up the lineup rather than a guy I slot in guaranteed and hope for consistency - he's a bit like Bryan Rust to me. I do find the fans are maybe overrating a lot of guys I'd consider as 4th line energy types - don't want them all to make it.

Klefbom-Larsson
Sekera-BLANK
Nurse-BLANK
Benning

The D is a tricky one to maneuver. Bring Russell back? Sure, but only if it's 3 x 3.6 or less. I don't like giving him 3 years but his name + warrior status probably would give him trade value. Right handed puckmovers? Would be nice. Hopefully Benning can stay the course in his development as well. Someone has to replace what we'll lose in Sekera. I'd also be interested in bringing back Reinhart + Gryba on two-way deals (maybe Reinhart on a one-way considering he's waiver fodder + has to make it this year to be something). I've got Benning listed as the 7th here but he's good enough to be in the six as we all saw.

Talbot
Brossoit

Brossoit deserves to stay, did enough to show he can be the backup to start.

Buyout Mark Fayne. I know Stauffer says he's going to Bakersfield, but shouldn't we be going for it this year? I understand it effects next year's cap but lets really make something special this summer.

I think we can work something out with Vegas to get them to take Pouliot. Eberle will be worth something but it's hard to put a finger on just what yet. Let Hendricks + Desharnais go to free agency.

 

[Jet Walters]

I'm with Chia. This was still a 103 point year with Ebs and Nuge and no 3rd line C. Despite the notions that Ebs is gonna cripple this team if he's on it for one more second, same team with an actual bonafide 3rd line C who could win FO's, this team will arguably better.

That and the attempt to give Nuge and Ebs way more favorable matchups...along with Ebs who still put up 51 points playing half a season against top comp, gives these guys way more chance to succeed

Maroon-McD-Ebs
Looch-RNH-Drai
Cags-?(legit 3 C)-SlepRock
JJ-Letestu-Kass

Nurse-Larsson
Klef-Benning
Reinhart-Russel
Sekera(hurt)
?(bottom pair steady eddie FA

This team will still make playoffs. Upgrading....that's what trade deadline is for...like every other competing does. JP should be able to be a call-up also

Then trade a 60+ point Ebs to recoup those assets(Way more value than right now. . Maybe even trade Nuge, who by TM's accounts will focus more on his offense, so he should be a 50+ point C.

#imwithchia lol

What part of Chiarelli's body of work leads you to believe he'd go into the season with Nurse and Benning in the top 4? He knows the importance of a strong blueline.

Also, why do you think he's happy with the current roster and just wants to add a 3C when he's been on record saying he's not even halfway done reshaping this roster into what he envisions?

 

[bobbythebrain]

#imwithchia lol

What part of Chiarelli's body of work leads you to believe he'd go into the season with Nurse and Benning in the top 4? He knows the importance of a strong blueline.

Also, why do you think he's happy with the current roster and just wants to add a 3C when he's been on record saying he's not even halfway done reshaping this roster into what he envisions?

He didn't say that at all

He specifically said he liked Nurse with Larsson. Not that Nurse has won that position outright at all, but players grow.....and Sekera is hurt. Based on his comments, I do not see him chasing a high end #4 since he specifically mentioned that he wants out current players to have room to grow. Getting a Demers for example, gives Benning no room to improve. What incentive would he have then?

He also talked about RNH and Ebs specific, and the areas he loved of their game and areas they need to grow. Also mentioned not making a major shakeup

Lastly, talked about FO's. Last year it was defense and cutting GA in half. This year sounds like FO's. I doubt that has anything to do with Ebs, and adding a legit 3C would also help

He didn't say halfway. His last presser had him saying he was doing very little

 

[Forgot About Drai]

I'm with Chia. This was still a 103 point year with Ebs and Nuge and no 3rd line C. Despite the notions that Ebs is gonna cripple this team if he's on it for one more second, same team with an actual bonafide 3rd line C who could win FO's, this team will arguably better.

That and the attempt to give Nuge and Ebs way more favorable matchups...along with Ebs who still put up 51 points playing half a season against top comp, gives these guys way more chance to succeed

Maroon-McD-Ebs
Looch-RNH-Drai
Cags-?(legit 3 C)-SlepRock
JJ-Letestu-Kass

Nurse-Larsson
Klef-Benning
Reinhart-Russel
Sekera(hurt)
?(bottom pair steady eddie FA

This team will still make playoffs. Upgrading....that's what trade deadline is for...like every other competing does. JP should be able to be a call-up also

Then trade a 60+ point Ebs to recoup those assets(Way more value than right now. . Maybe even trade Nuge, who by TM's accounts will focus more on his offense, so he should be a 50+ point C.

I was fine with Ebs and Nuge's regular season production. My issue was neither of them could do it in the playoffs and that really crippled us. If they could produce at the same clip during playoffs as they do during the regular season I would have no issue rolling with them.

 

[Soundwave]

Eberle sucks with McDavid.

No more of that, he somehow managed to drag even Connor down which is unreal. I'd sooner play Pitlick or Kassian with McDavid than Eberle. Eberle is soft and does no board work, he is not a good fit for Connor McDavid.

If you wanna play with McDavid you need to go to the net, work the boards, and be able to get the puck off your stick fast. Eberle does none of that.

If he stays Eberle has to play on the third line. He drags down McDavid and has poor chemistry with Draisaitl as well.

 

[Jet Walters]

He didn't say that at all

He specifically said he liked Nurse with Larsson. Not that Nurse has won that position outright at all, but players grow.....and Sekera is hurt. Based on his comments, I do not see him chasing a high end #4 since he specifically mentioned that he wants out current players to have room to grow. Getting a Demers for example, gives Benning no room to improve. What incentive would he have then?

He also talked about RNH and Ebs specific, and the areas he loved of their game and areas they need to grow. Also mentioned not making a major shakeup

Lastly, talked about FO's. Last year it was defense and cutting GA in half. This year sounds like FO's. I doubt that has anything to do with Ebs, and adding a legit 3C would also help

He didn't say halfway. His last presser had him saying he was doing very little

I'm was referring to his comments in his pre trade deadline press conference where he said he's only at step 1 or 2 out of 5 in terms of reshaping the roster, not the year end fluffer. He's not going to come out on camera and throw Eberle under the bus like some of the media and most of the fan base did after his playoff performance, but behind closed doors he can't be very pleased.

 

[Soundwave]

Chiarelli also talked well of Yakupov ("I like guys who shoot the puck") ... and we saw how that went.

 

[bobbythebrain]

Coots is a good defensive center yes. Hes scoring at the exact same rate as Eberle (1.76) ironically in one of Eberles biggest down years. But thats still solid as hes meant for defense first

I like Coots dont get me wrong, but we could get Hanzal for the same price (AAV and term) as a UFA, so no assets given up. Hanzal produces at nearly the same rates and similar defensive player

Coots is an ideal 3c but at 4.3 till 2022 he costs a good chunk of change, plus lots of assets to give up to even get him. Hanzal would be a better option to me

Coots would easily be a 2nd line C here. Guy is amazing at defense, has a fantastic forecheck and his support to Looch's forecheck would give teams fits

Looch did alot of boardwork this year that resulted nothing cuz of his linemates. Coots would capitalize on that bigtime

 

[bobbythebrain]

Chiarelli also talked well of Yakupov ("I like guys who shoot the puck") ... and we saw how that went.

Actually he admitted looking to trade him and also took a swipe at Jultz and his Norris nod.

He didn't soften any blows to those guys

 

[Soundwave]

I just don't see some magical turn around with Eberle. You can't play him with McDavid. He sucks there.

He had about a 60 point pace the year before and he wasn't returning a Hamonic or Larsson that summer, so why do we think he's magically going to return this monstrous package just because he scores a few more points this year?

Even if he does, his value won't be that great next summer because he'll have one year left on his contract and is effectively a rental.

I move him for Mike Green this summer. I don't want to be handcuffed into giving Russell a 3-year deal because no one else was available.

 

[Bangers]

I just don't see some magical turn around with Eberle. You can't play him with McDavid. He sucks there.

He had about a 60 point pace the year before and he wasn't returning a Hamonic or Larsson that summer, so why do we think he's magically going to return this monstrous package just because he scores a few more points this year?

Even if he does, his value won't be that great next summer because he'll have one year left on his contract and is effectively a rental.

I move him for Mike Green this summer. I don't want to be handcuffed into giving Russell a 3-year deal because no one else was available.

I don't see Ebs turning it around either. The main thing that concerns me is that he finally played a game that even vaguely resembles a 2-way game, and his offence completely dried up. I understand that he had a lot of bad luck, but I'm not sure he can consistently score in the league if he's not cheating for offence.

 

[Soundwave]

I don't see Ebs turning it around either. The main thing that concerns me is that he finally played a game that even vaguely resembles a 2-way game, and his offence completely dried up. I understand that he had a lot of bad luck, but I'm not sure he can consistently score in the league if he's not cheating for offence.

The other thing that worries me is he no chemistry with Draisaitl, the times they've played together ... no spark, nothing, nada.

With McDavid he drags McDavid down, he's just not fast enough to skate with Connor, not big enough to go retrieve pucks for McDavid or go to the front of the net, and he hangs onto the puck too long which is not ideal with McDavid.

 

[SK13]

I just don't see some magical turn around with Eberle. You can't play him with McDavid. He sucks there.

He had about a 60 point pace the year before and he wasn't returning a Hamonic or Larsson that summer, so why do we think he's magically going to return this monstrous package just because he scores a few more points this year?

Even if he does, his value won't be that great next summer because he'll have one year left on his contract and is effectively a rental.

I move him for Mike Green this summer. I don't want to be handcuffed into giving Russell a 3-year deal because no one else was available.

Eberle for Green isn't a trade that will happen because the Red Wings are going to have to retool and already have salary problems. It won't take a roster asset like Jordan Eberle to pull down Mike Green, it'll take middling futures and a willingness to take on the entirety of the cap hit.

As for Eberle rebounding, he's a career 14% shooter who shot 9%. This is the easiest type of player to predict a rebound for.

 

[Soundwave]

Eberle for Green isn't a trade that will happen because the Red Wings are going to have to retool and already have salary problems. It won't take a roster asset like Jordan Eberle to pull down Mike Green, it'll take middling futures and a willingness to take on the entirety of the cap hit.

As for Eberle rebounding, he's a career 14% shooter who shot 9%. This is the easiest type of player to predict a rebound for.

He's not going to play top unit PP or top wing positions though as he did earlier in his career. I doubt he goes back to 14% in those circumstances.

Eberle is still young-ish and could be a fit for the Red Wings for a year then they can flip him for futures as well.

 

[Burnt Biscuits]

Not saying these deals would or could happen. But value wise and how would these deals be

Eberle for eakin
Puljarvi and nuge for dumba and coyle
Nurse for drouin or tyler johnson

Eberle for Eakin I'd say is a definite loss for us, Eakin hasn't been all that consistent and I think he took a step back, not just this year, but last year as well. If I was going to take this kind of player downgrade I'd want to save more in salary and not get saddled with more term.

Puljujarvi should have an edge on Coyle value wise (especially pre-expansion draft) and while RNH for Dumba is a lot closer then it was last year when I and many others laughed it off, Dumba still scares me a bit, he's got that shot we want, but he makes us worse defensively and requires some sheltering to get the best out of him, a decent chunk of his value is based on potential instead of actual play. I liked that we have our 2 top pairings that we could role out against tough competition and given that Nurse is on the 3rd pairing I don't think we can insulate Dumba to the extent we would like.

I think Nurse would be appealing to Tampa, but I don't think Nurse fetches either one of those two, maybe Johnson if contract extension talks go poorly, but Drouin should fetch quite a bit more.

 

[jeg]

Eberle if we move him makes a lot of sense in Carolina and Vegas, both could use top 6 winger help, both have D that we could use. Be interesting the days before and after the expansion draft

 

[bobbythebrain]

I don't see Ebs turning it around either. The main thing that concerns me is that he finally played a game that even vaguely resembles a 2-way game, and his offence completely dried up. I understand that he had a lot of bad luck, but I'm not sure he can consistently score in the league if he's not cheating for offence.

Deployment. Patrick Kane averages 66% ozone starts. Why do you think that is? His body isn't meant to handle defense or hard 2way forcheck, and it's useless forcing that issue

People crap on Ebs despite he is put into defensive situations. Look at the last time he had high ozone starts. Production

Bump up his ozone and you will get 60+ points, especially now that he is cognisant of of defensive responsibility.

I could care less what the name on the back of the jersey says, 60 points in a secondary scoring role is important to any team in the NHL

As far as his 2way game...he just came off his best year at evens in corsi and fenwick, while being good defensively. He slants the ice. Why would we not take advantage of that, especially on a player who struggled in finishing but is a known finisher by trade

 

[Soundwave]

We have an awful lot of RFAs next year to sign too ... McDavid obviously, but Caggiula, Nurse, and Benning are likely going to get raises as well.

We could be in trouble if we sit on Eberle and RNH without getting any movement on them if they have poor seasons. Teams don't take on $6 million in salary just for fun, you have to take salary back.

 

[Soundwave]

Deployment. Patrick Kane averages 66% ozone starts. Why do you think that is? His body isn't meant to handle defense or hard 2way forcheck, and it's useless forcing that issue

People crap on Ebs despite he is put into defensive situations. Look at the last time he had high ozone starts. Production

Bump up his ozone and you will get 60+ points, especially now that he is cognisant of of defensive responsibility.

I could care less what the name on the back of the jersey says, 60 points in a secondary scoring role is important to any team in the NHL

He doesn't deserve o-zone starts. He makes McDavid worse and he doesn't play well with Draisaitl, that defaults him to RNH, and RNH is guess which line.

 

[SupremeTeam16]

Hi guys,

I know LD is close to untouchable but I'm still curious if you'd be open to :



Leon Draisaitl
Jordan Eberle



Max Pacioretty
Mikhail Sergachev
Andrew Shaw
1st 2017

Not in a million years.

If Draisaitl is going anywhere it's for a very very good defenseman.