Proposal: Trade Proposal Thread

[groovejuice]

Friedman's 30 Thoughts disagrees. He says this offseason will clear up the market a bit considering the expansion draft and the uncertainty surrounding it all.

I suppose that's a possibility. The other side of that is that all teams are potential buyers and sellers. The advantage is teams don't need to be cap compliant until the beginning of the season.

 

[417]

I suppose that's a possibility. The other side of that is that all teams are potential buyers and sellers. The advantage is teams don't need to be cap compliant until the beginning of the season.

teams are also more willing to make franchise-altering type of trades in the offseason as opposed to at the deadline.

 

[hototogisu]

I don't see why MB would of offered Galchenyuk, that's a lateral move at best and as he said at the press conference, he's not interested in making lateral moves.

I'm sure he probably tried to sell Sakic on Beaulieu and Gallagher and Juulsen or McCarron.

And honestly, I completely understand why Sakic would of held out for Galchenyuk + Sergachev from Habs.

There isn't much more that's appealing and attainable in a trade if you're looking at the Habs.

This is true. Trouble for us is, I don't see the Avs backing down from asking for at least Sergachev to be part of the deal, and Bergevin says he won't trade Sergachev...so we're probably out on Duchene.

 

[1993]

This is true. Trouble for us is, I don't see the Avs backing down from askixng for at least Sergachev to be part of the deal, and Bergevin says he won't trade Sergachev...so we're probably out on Duchene.

I would just add Shipachev and Dadonov in the offseason. Use the pictures of Chiarelli that we used to get him to take DD to force him to take Pleks.

 

[Sterling Archer]

It's a good thing I'm not a GM. If Sakic asked me for that I'd have never answered him back to trade Ghetto or pick up the phone if he called for anything else, like ever. I'd Brian Burke his ass.

 

[Aceekay]

It's a good thing I'm not a GM. If Sakic asked me for that I'd have never answered him back to trade Ghetto or pick up the phone if he called for anything else, like ever. I'd Brian Burke his ass.

Seriously, that's when hang up the phone, ignore Sakic, and pretend he never said that.

 

[DangerDave]

http://www.habsolumentfan.com/canad...fre-de-l-avalanche-a-la-date-limite?ref=marco

Kypreos saying that the Avs offer for Duchene was: Galchenyuk+Sergachev+1st....what a joke!!!

Chucky is worth more than Duchene lol! Does he not realize we have a 23 year old RFA who's ceiling is much higher than Duchene's?

 

[417]

This is true. Trouble for us is, I don't see the Avs backing down from asking for at least Sergachev to be part of the deal, and Bergevin says he won't trade Sergachev...so we're probably out on Duchene.

Just drives home the point for me that the Habs need to add more assets....there just isn't enough currency on this team to go out big name shopping.

Hopefully the next 2 drafts will help, the Habs have to be able to come away with a few top 50 prospects over the next 2 years.

 

[Adam Michaels]

I suppose that's a possibility. The other side of that is that all teams are potential buyers and sellers. The advantage is teams don't need to be cap compliant until the beginning of the season.

But they do need to be compliant to some degree. I think teams are allowed to go up to 10% over the cap during the off-season, so long as they become 100% cap compliant in time for opening night.

So with the cap at 73M last year, teams could go up to 7.3M over the cap in the off-season. But they'd need to find a way to shave that excess 7.3M in time.

 

[Uncle Gary]

When it comes to Sergachev for Duchene, I think the question is what kind of a role can Sergachev play next season? Will he be able to handle top 4 minutes? Other young d-men have done it. If he can then I wouldn't do the trade.

 

[HabsTown]

This summer (providing Vegas takes Emelin):



Mikhail Sergachev
Michael McCarron/Nikita Scherbak
1st 2017/2018
2nd 2017
Tomas Plekanec (25% retained)



Shayne Gostisbehere
Sean Couturier

Gostisbehere ~ Sergachev + 2nd 2017
Couturier ~ McCarron/Scherbak + 1st 2017/2018 + Plekanec retained



Brendan Gallagher
Torrey Mitchell



Jordan Eberle


Sign :

Radulov --> 5Y/6.5M
Markov --> 2Y/5M
King --> 3y/2.5M
Martinsen--> 1y/700k


Pacioretty-Galchenyuk-Radulov
Lehkonen-Couturier-Eberle
King-Danault-Shaw
Martinsen-4C-Byron

Gostisbehere-Weber
Markov-Petry
Beaulieu-Benn

 

[L4br3cqu3]

This summer (providing Vegas takes Emelin):



Mikhail Sergachev
Michael McCarron/Nikita Scherbak
1st 2017/2018
2nd 2017
Tomas Plekanec (25% retained)



Shayne Gostisbehere
Sean Couturier

Gostisbehere ~ Sergachev + 2nd 2017
Couturier ~ McCarron/Scherbak + 1st 2017/2018 + Plekanec retained



Brendan Gallagher
Torrey Mitchell



Jordan Eberle


Sign :

Radulov --> 5Y/6.5M
Markov --> 2Y/5M
King --> 3y/2.5M
Martinsen--> 1y/700k


Pacioretty-Galchenyuk-Radulov
Lehkonen-Couturier-Eberle
King-Danault-Shaw
Martinsen-4C-Byron

Gostisbehere-Weber
Markov-Petry
Beaulieu-Benn

In what world is Ghost worth Sergachev AND a 2nd ? You'd give me Ghost AND a 1st and I wouldn't trade Sergachev for that...

 

[Brainiac]

In what world is Ghost worth Sergachev AND a 2nd ? You'd give me Ghost AND a 1st and I wouldn't trade Sergachev for that...

Ghost has proven a lot more than Sergachev, hence why his value is higher. Mind you, I'm not talking about potential, but about value now.

Some would say the trade is dubious from our perspective, but that's just because of potential and not about the actual, present day value of the guys.

You cannot come in and ask for Ghost + 1st for Sergachev. Any GM would laugh at how you overvalue your prospect.

 

[bbob]

Ghost has proven a lot more than Sergachev, hence why his value is higher. Mind you, I'm not talking about potential, but about value now.

Some would say the trade is dubious from our perspective, but that's just because of potential and not about the actual, present day value of the guys.

You cannot come in and ask for Ghost + 1st for Sergachev. Any GM would laugh at how you overvalue your prospect.

Wow ppl do not know what's going on....you keep thinking of his last year in how he made such an impact but this year as many in the game say he has been bad...hasn't he been scratched a lot?? Ppl need to wake up to what is a true #1/2 d and the difference to a top 3/4. Could get a lot better player in trading sergachev!!!!!

 

[Legend123]

Ghost has proven a lot more than Sergachev, hence why his value is higher. Mind you, I'm not talking about potential, but about value now.

Some would say the trade is dubious from our perspective, but that's just because of potential and not about the actual, present day value of the guys.

You cannot come in and ask for Ghost + 1st for Sergachev. Any GM would laugh at how you overvalue your prospect.

we would gladly take that gamble on sergs instead of Ghost whos a nightmare in his own zone. ez as that

 

[hototogisu]

Ghost is still getting healthy scratched and Couturier hasn't shown much of anything beyond being a 3C...easy pass for that package.

No interest in Eberle, I'd rather keep Gallagher. Oiler fans will be quick to tell you how garbage he's been.

 

[yianik]

Duchene now pointless in his last 7 games, and his TOI has been drifting down. I think the guy has been affected by all the trade talk and on being on such a woeful team. think he was really hoping to get moved, and to the Habs at that is my guess.

 

[Uncle Gary]

Duchene now pointless in his last 7 games, and his TOI has been drifting down. I think the guy has been affected by all the trade talk and on being on such a woeful team. think he was really hoping to get moved, and to the Habs at that is my guess.

Hopefully he has a rough end of the season. Should help bring his value down and then MB can swoop in and get him for a discount.

 

[LaP]

Duchene now pointless in his last 7 games, and his TOI has been drifting down. I think the guy has been affected by all the trade talk and on being on such a woeful team. think he was really hoping to get moved, and to the Habs at that is my guess.

Sakic is so much mishandling this.

I can see Duchene not wanting to sign an extension there and him losing so much value that the avs wont get as much as people think in return.

Duchene is older that the rest of their core group (McKinnon, Landie, Zadorov, the guys they drafted last year and gonna draft this year). But he's not really a vet yet. I don't think they should hold to him if he's not happy there.

There's 2 years remaining but realistically if they can't extend him Sakic must trade him before the last year or he'll lose value. So realistically he has 1 year left to trade him if he can't extend him.

I really can't wait to see what the avs will get for him if they trade him. IMO people will be surprised by the lower than expected quality of the return. AT this point i'm not even sure prospects like Sergachev are on the table. I could see prospects like Juulsen offered instead.

 

[Captain Mountain]

Duchene now pointless in his last 7 games, and his TOI has been drifting down. I think the guy has been affected by all the trade talk and on being on such a woeful team. think he was really hoping to get moved, and to the Habs at that is my guess.

Galchenyuk has more points in 14 fewer games.

 

[David Suzuki]

Was saying that the other day about MD. So many were praising Sakic for not budging on his ask, but eventually Duchene is going to get tired of all this talk and playing for a bottom feeder. Wouldn't be surprised if he asks for a trade in the summer and gets moved for much less than Sakic could have got last week.

 

[Uncle Gary]

Was saying that the other day about MD. So many were praising Sakic for not budging on his ask, but eventually Duchene is going to get tired of all this talk and playing for a bottom feeder. Wouldn't be surprised if he asks for a trade in the summer and gets moved for much less than Sakic could have got last week.

Exactly. Hopefully that trade will be to us.

 

[Habs Halifax]

This is true. Trouble for us is, I don't see the Avs backing down from asking for at least Sergachev to be part of the deal, and Bergevin says he won't trade Sergachev...so we're probably out on Duchene.

So what if no team steps up and offers the "Sergachev" type packaged deal. Does Sakic just keep Duchene and head into next season with him or does he come down in price?

Your right that the Habs are probably out on Duchene but so are all other teams at the moment. Sakic needs to come down a bit in order to get the Habs and others to really compete with each other on the actual value. Longer Sakic waits, the less value Duchene has!

 

[DAChampion]

So what if no team steps up and offers the "Sergachev" type packaged deal. Does Sakic just keep Duchene and head into next season with him or does he come down in price?

Your right that the Habs are probably out on Duchene but so are all other teams at the moment. Sakic needs to come down a bit in order to get the Habs and others to really compete with each other on the actual value. Longer Sakic waits, the less value Duchene has!

Sometimes GMs just hold on to assets and let them walk as UFA because they want to keep competing for 8th place every year.

The worst non-Habs case I can recall is when Florida held on to Jay Bouwmeester.

 

[Captain Mountain]

So what if no team steps up and offers the "Sergachev" type packaged deal. Does Sakic just keep Duchene and head into next season with him or does he come down in price?

Your right that the Habs are probably out on Duchene but so are all other teams at the moment. Sakic needs to come down a bit in order to get the Habs and others to really compete with each other on the actual value. Longer Sakic waits, the less value Duchene has!

Either? All I know is that if Sakic doesn't trade Duchene, he better stop shopping him too and kill all public speculation about him being traded. I'd be shocked if Duchene spends two years with public, loud trade speculation surrounding him and doesn't at least privately ask for a trade. You can't keep players like him "on the market" indefinitely like that.

And while I'm skeptical of Kypreos' source, if the Avalanche's asking price was Galchenyuk, Sergachev and 1st, then there isn't a team in the NHL that'll offer even close to what Colorado wants for Duchene. Like, not even in the same stratosphere.