Proposal: Trade Proposal Thread: Trade Deadline edition

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ArtPeur

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I think a lot of people forget we have to field a team next year and we’re not going full rebuild. I’d image we trade 2-3 players maximum and only if we’re getting 1-2 NHL bodies and picks/prospects back.

I doubt there’s going to be a fire sale so anyone hoping we trade Patches, Plex, Shaw, Benn, Alzner, Schlemko etc etc etc are likely going to be very disappointed.

If we end up trading Patches, Plex and Schlemko I’d be amazed.

Filling a team for next year should not be so hard.

Drouin - Galchenyuk - Scherbak
Byron - Danault - Gallagher
Lehkonen - Shaw - Hudon
Froese
(Deslauriers, DLR, Carr)*

Mete - Weber
Alzner - Petry
Benn
(Jerabek, Morrow)*

Price, Lindgren

*players that could get contract extensions

That's the team right now without signing players on July 1st. And that's with trading Plex, Patches and Schlemko. I didn't fill prospects neither 'cause you would likely get some back by trading Patches away (or other players)
 

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Personal thought is that they want Galchenyuk which is a better player. But an unwanted better player...

So what is missing Galchenyuk for Domi +?

Unwanted by whom -- a GM unable to assess organizational priorities and assets?

What's missing is a new management group such that if Galchenyuk is moved, they'll maximize his value. And if they don't, then you won't get some egomaniac barking misguided comments about player deployment that handcuffs the coaching staff.
 

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I think one more year. That gives Poehling time to develop amd mature. Danault another year of playing with pros.

The Canadiens need to improve their PK. Trade Pacioretty and Plekanec and you have more holes to fill. +/- is a stat started by Scotty Bowman. Still a good measure of play. If you are taking defensive zone draws regularly, not a minus, and your wingers are producing, you are doing your job.

For me, I love the idea of signing Backlund. Put him between Lehkonen and Gallagher. Could possibly get 20 goals out of each. Backlund-Lehkonen gives you a top PK duo.

Byron-Plekanec have been a good defensive duo. That gives Julien two defensive options, both can be effective.

I try to build Galchenyuk-Drouin-Sherbak up. I think acquiring a Gaborik could help the two wingers in their careers, make them both 25 goal scorers, in practice. Sherbak especially because his game reminds me of Gaborik's.

Deslauriers-Danault on a 4th line, donne la fougue. And a 3rd PK unit.

I think the Habs need to be a 4 line effort. This year's draft is the future. I am not sure Plekanec gets more than a 3rd, so it's a crap shoot at that point anyways. I use Pacioretty to fill two holes, going forward, and the dearth of draft picks to get prospects to replace players on this team.

I hope Julien Brisebois is the guy at the draft table though.

Sure, buy time for Poehling but he won't be ready in a year -- he needs time in the pros, likely in the AHL for a couple of years. Danault no matter how long he's in the league, is a fine no. 3 center, he wouldn't be top 6 on a competitive club.

I don't agree with keeping Pacioretty. The Habs have excessively committed to Price and Weber. Pacioretty would be another $8M plus proposition over 7-8 years. Another player entering his 30s, they can't afford to handicap their cap room with a third heavy contract like that unless it's a center -- cause at the end of the day, you need to do what it takes to secure that no. 1 center and if the one that happens to be available needs a long-term deal, you don't prevent yourself from signing him cause you committed to a Pacioretty. Scoring wingers can be readily had, scoring centers not so much.

As far as providing Julien with defensive options -- is it really where we have a need? This organization is filled with players who apparently are good without the puck but who couldn't make an offensive play if their lives depended on it. This is not where we should be spending any resources.

As for any line combo that involves Drouin as a centerman, that experiment has hit a wall a long time ago. Drouin is a winger. He needs to be put in a position to succeed. He's only a center on account of an egomaniac GM who can't handle being wrong.

Sure, Deslauriers on a 4th line is fine. But, getting a pick for him would be even better. You can always find players like him.

From an overall standpoint, I wouldn't hold on to any of the current roster players if it means we can land a bona fide no. 1 center and a first pairing PMD. We cannot afford a team whose blueprint involves players being used out of position and not having bona fide specialists at key positions. The Bergevin era is full of experiments involving round pegs and square holes, it has been tried and tested, it doesn't work.

Trade what you must at the TDL and finish the job at the draft. Unfortunately, since Bergevin is the one still in charge, then limit and heavily monitor the deals he attempts at the TDL and hope for a new GM to take over in May. It's the only way out of the morass that this ownership group has fueled for far too long.
 

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I can not think of a recent winner that was not built out of the strength of its centres. Two scoring, one defensive. You need a couple of horses on defense and good goaltending. Wingers are the most interchangeable parts. I think there is talent on the wing in Montreal. Not enough. Definitely not at centre. I think Plekanec is still Joe Juneau effective as a 3C. Joe Juneau never won a Cup though. So I don't believe the Habs are there. But I don't see it being hard to rebound into a playoff team. The change of leadership will change the morale. A new GM can start to put the right pieces in the puzzle. That's the two areas of change that I think would pay dividends. Drouin, Backlund, Vilardi and Poehling in 2019-20 starts the change in the tide, as several old cores pass their prime.

But that's just the thing -- you have to build from the front first and that means skilled offensive centers. You can always find defensive centers, who are mostly complementary and can be developed in-house in most organizations.

The talent that is on the wings in Montreal is too homogeneous -- you need someone like a Radulov, a puck retriever with decent size who goes into the corners and who has offensive ability. You need players who provide a varied asset mix, especially so that you can compete with western teams as well. I think what will change morale, if it needs changing, will be winning and players who stick up for each other. I'm seeing more and more instances of players not going to bat for each other. Seeing Byron get nailed recently and a bunch of ostriches roaming about, has to end.
 

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Lebrun just said on TSN that he's heard the Habs are reluctant to move Andrew Shaw. Why? Does Shawzie mean that much to MB? If someone comes calling and you can get decent value for the oft injured Shawzie and that contract you do it and not even think twice about it.

If you're not aware MB you're team is awful and needs many changes so you shouldn't be reluctant to move anyone if it makes sense for the Habs. This total suck with MB in charge is just gonna continue isn't it. ****.

Is this a joke? Brought to you from the same people who are considering a Plekanec extension. What the hell is going on? If this is true, it sounds like another Bergevin face-saving move -- when will this guy ever come forward and admit failure? Is this what he's so "proud" about? Get real. Shaw is a concussion-prone player and when you start accumulating them, it only gets worse when the next one arrives. And I hope it won't happen but given Shaw's playing style and his penchant to take on opponents who have a size and weight advantage over him, he's an accident waiting to happen.

Plus this team has character to spare (apparently). Let him make some other roster happy.
 
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However, an Atlantic Division rival could be added to the mix according to Elliott Friedman’s latest “31 Thoughts” column for Sportsnet. Friedman claims that the Florida Panthers could be part of the Pacioretty sweepstakes and Dale Tallon might be willing to part with 2016 first-round draft pick Henrik Borgstrom.
 

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However, an Atlantic Division rival could be added to the mix according to Elliott Friedman’s latest “31 Thoughts” column for Sportsnet. Friedman claims that the Florida Panthers could be part of the Pacioretty sweepstakes and Dale Tallon might be willing to part with 2016 first-round draft pick Henrik Borgstrom.
Id be all over that, Borgstrom is real.
 
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And so it begins. What dominos will fall as a result?

Also, "no GM is more active than Bergevin, he's burning the phones, he has a few surprises up his sleeve, bla bla bla." And yet, the first big deal has no Bergevin attached to it.
 
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And so it begins. What dominos will fall as a result?

Also, "no GM is more active than Bergevin, he's burning the phones, he has a few surprises up his sleave, bla bla bla." And yet, the first big deal has no Bergevin attached to it.

I guess when you have your ass kick 7-3 you look for defense.
 
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However, an Atlantic Division rival could be added to the mix according to Elliott Friedman’s latest “31 Thoughts” column for Sportsnet. Friedman claims that the Florida Panthers could be part of the Pacioretty sweepstakes and Dale Tallon might be willing to part with 2016 first-round draft pick Henrik Borgstrom.

Too bad Friedman has worse source than the rest of the boneheads at Sportsnet, I'm sure he surfs HF for gossip.
 

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Things could be worse. We could have Pierre Dorion running the team....

As for the Kings, they are making the push i expected them to make.
They surely are now in the business of getting a top left winger #PaciorettyWatch
 
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Id be all over that, Borgstrom is real.
Borgstrom is playing great this year he did nothing last year for Finland at the world juniors as a 19 year old had 0 points in 6 games although Finland was not very good last year.
 

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I think it was 8.4M capspace to start the year..............shame, capspace never played a minute for the habs...another excuse for Bergevin......lol
No no no, there's still time, Bergy has a plan for that capspace. You are a fake fan, with the 32M in deadline capspace Bergy is ready to pounce, we will acquire Doughty, Crosby, and Ovechkin for picks and make that run...you'll see!
 

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I don't want Bergevin to make any major trade at deadline. Keep Patches at least until the next draft. Don't trade Galchy unless the price is as good or better, but not before the trade deadline.

He can trade Plekky, that's fine + scrubs like Benn, Schlemko, Carr, DLR, Froese, Jerebek, Logan Shaw, Morrow....

Trade a terrible captain who inspires NOBODY and FLOATS on the ice.

I would keep Carr, the kid needs a chance and IMO could be a solid 15-20 goal third or fourth line winger.

Jerbek is another who is better than Alzner and Morrow.

I honestly don't know what Jullien is thinking, PLAY THEM for the rest of the season, use the rest of the season to evaluate players.

You already know what Morrow and Alzner bring... which isn't much!
 
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