Proposal: Trade Proposal Thread: Part 64

[KevSkillz4]

YUP. And a Center equal or better than Suzuki. Two big pieces and then more required after that. I think our current pool provides depth in the middle and bottom of the line-up but we need top end talent. DRAFT THEM!

Shane Wright

 

[TomKosto]

There is no 33rd spot and I don't think he is hurting the youth development. I don't see a need to make the panic move unless you want to start to win more games and get the 5th pick vs the 1st OA pick?

He is the least professionnal Habs player on the team, always complaining and making shit on the ice. I would get him far away from our young players.

 

[Habs Halifax]

He is the least professionnal Habs player on the team, always complaining and making shit on the ice. I would get him far away from our young players.

I see your point but I want to move him for value. Not like we did with Cammy for Bourque. I don't think he is going to hurt our young players development. If he is still like this to start next season, that's a different story

 

[TomKosto]

I see your point but I want to move him for value. Not like we did with Cammy for Bourque. I don't think he is going to hurt our young players development. If he is still like this to start next season, that's a different story

Like I said, how do you think his value will raise?!?! There's 4 weeks left till the deadline, the guy won't come back next year, a couple a good games from him won't change his value. Gms are not dumb.

 

[morhilane]

I see your point but I want to move him for value. Not like we did with Cammy for Bourque. I don't think he is going to hurt our young players development. If he is still like this to start next season, that's a different story

Petry is a cancer on the ice, how do you think he acts in the locker room? He's playing like someone who doesn't care about his value, but who wants to be traded ASAP. He's not going to get better, he's only going to get worst.

 

[Kudo Shinichi]

Petry is a cancer on the ice, how do you think he acts in the locker room? He's playing like someone who doesn't care about his value, but who wants to be traded ASAP. He's not going to get better, he's only going to get worst.

I dont see why Petry playing bad on the ice would corrolate to him being toxic in the room. He likely interacts with his teammates the same way as he did in the previous years.

 

[RationalExpectations]

I dont see why Petry playing bad on the ice would corrolate to him being toxic in the room. He likely interacts with his teammates the same way as he did in the previous years.

I think if you are a player a) who wants to win or b) wants to score points for his next contract, you are frustrated with Petry. He clearly does not have any motivation.

 

[Kudo Shinichi]

I think if you are a player a) who wants to win or b) wants to score points for his next contract, you are frustrated with Petry. He clearly does not have any motivation.

I can see a some players being frustrated with Petry, but overall I don't think its enough to make it toxic in the room. There's a lot more players than just Petry who are having a bad year so focusing solely on him doesn't make much sense. Petry was also a great player for the habs in the last several years, which likely gives him a bit of a pass from the other players.

 

[salbutera]

Just 1- year ago large portions of the fanbase were mentioning Petry’s name w Norris Trophy, and now he’s “toxic”, “a cancer”?

Petry’s play is a reflection of not having 2-significant components of this team Price + Weber + the whole family being away aspect

Petry’s been an absolute pro since being acquired at 2015 deadline

 

[Merci Saku]

Panic move? Are you serious? This guy is a f***ing poison to the team. We got him for cheap for a f***ing reason. His value won't raise till the end of the season and he won't attend camp next year with a newborn on the way. Trade him f***ing now, don't care what we get.

Just calm down

Season is bad means everyone on the roster sucks? It’s a bad season, time to move on

Petry have been solid for the past 4 years, he’s not a cancer all of a sudden, stop listening to so called experts on RDS

 

[Apoplectic Habs Fan]

I dont see why Petry playing bad on the ice would corrolate to him being toxic in the room. He likely interacts with his teammates the same way as he did in the previous years.

Can go both ways. Its still a work environment

Right now he is that guy that speaks the loudest about all the problems and deflects blame but is the guy least backing it up and appears checked out.

That can definitely rub people the wrong way and make it toxic

 

[HuGo Sham]

Just 1- year ago large portions of the fanbase were mentioning Petry’s name w Norris Trophy, and now he’s “toxic”, “a cancer”?

Petry’s play is a reflection of not having 2-significant components of this team Price + Weber + the whole family being away aspect

Petry’s been an absolute pro since being acquired at 2015 deadline

I agree and “fans” should refrain from behaving like assholes and harassing him and his family on social media. These last 6 months have been difficult for him and while his play has sucked, it’s important to have context. It doesn’t excuse how poor he’s played nor how all of us have been affected by the pandemic, it’s just a reminder to stay kind. It’s only a f***ing game

 

[TomKosto]

Just calm down

Season is bad means everyone on the roster sucks? It’s a bad season, time to move on

Petry have been solid for the past 4 years, he’s not a cancer all of a sudden, stop listening to so called experts on RDS

I don't have RDS, just look with ur eyes bud.

 

[Paddy17]

Just calm down

Season is bad means everyone on the roster sucks? It’s a bad season, time to move on

Petry have been solid for the past 4 years, he’s not a cancer all of a sudden, stop listening to so called experts on RDS

Exactly. Most of the hate has been fueled by the same media pundits that always have an agenda. Petry has been trash on the ice this year, and so have many other players and the team as a whole. All the hate and overeactions is just a result of mob mentality - hate feeding hate.

 

[Paddy17]

I agree and “fans” should refrain from behaving like assholes and harassing him and his family on social media. These last 6 months have been difficult for him and while his play has sucked, it’s important to have context. It doesn’t excuse how poor he’s played nor how all of us have been affected by the pandemic, it’s just a reminder to stay kind. It’s only a f***ing game

The same crazy fans who pile on the hate on social media, claiming he's toxic to the team, are themselves even more toxic to society.

 

[expy]

Exactly. Most of the hate has been fueled by the same media pundits that always have an agenda. Petry has been trash on the ice this year, and so have many other players and the team as a whole. All the hate and overeactions is just a result of mob mentality - hate feeding hate.

The same media that has been clamoring to hire Roy (and still are).

Embarrassing the media in Quebec.

 

[KevSkillz4]

I would like to have a Jakob Chychrun with Habs, but no way i'd trade Kaiden Guhle in a trade for him. That would be a big mistake.

What do you give to Arizona for Chychrun?

 

[expy]

Hughes is going to have to work OT this summer to undo the suit Bergevin has done. So many terrible contacts, and a lot of them still with quite a bit of term. Priority is to offload cap.

 

[The Great Weal]

I would like to have a Jakob Chychrun with Habs, but no way i'd trade Kaiden Guhle in a trade for him. That would be a big mistake.

What do you give to Arizona for Chychrun?

Lol what. Even if Kaiden Guhle's development goes perfectly, he might not even be as good as Chychrun.

 

[Paddy17]

The same media that has been clamoring to hire Roy (and still are).

Embarrassing the media in Quebec.

Petry spoke against Ducharme and didn't defend Montambault... although it was true that Ducharme's system is awful and the whole team was confused every game. As for defending the goalie, yeah, he should've done something, but there were also 4 others guys on the ice. Then I don't recall anyone going after Kassian until Pezz much later in the game... yet Petry was the only scapegoat for that.

I hate his play this year, I've said it many times. But I also find the zealous hate and vicious attacks on his personality dumb and fueled by a certain segment of the media, for obvious reasons...

 

[Mandalorian]

I would like to have a Jakob Chychrun with Habs, but no way i'd trade Kaiden Guhle in a trade for him. That would be a big mistake.

What do you give to Arizona for Chychrun?

If they aren't ready to part with a piece like Ghule for Chychrun, Habs probably won't get him. Price seems to be quite high for him.

I can't see Montreal getting Chychrun without sacrificing 1 or 2 pieces of Mailloux, Ghule, Caufield and their 2022 1st round pick.

 

[morhilane]

I dont see why Petry playing bad on the ice would corrolate to him being toxic in the room. He likely interacts with his teammates the same way as he did in the previous years.

He's playing bad because he wants out and doesn't care. He shows every signs of having quitted on the team and his teammates. That brings toxicity. Especially when its a veteran like Petry who has been around for years.

 

[Mandalorian]

He's playing bad because he wants out and doesn't care. He shows every signs of having quitted on the team and his teammates. That brings toxicity. Especially when its a veteran like Petry who has been around for years.

Maybe he is just playing bad because he is 34 years old and declining from what was already just second pairing offensive specialist?

The penality he got at the end wasn't a IDGAF one, more like a I can't keep up with the play anymore one.

 

[Scriptor]

Only if the deal makes sense. We have time to evaluate offers 1/1 and we don't need to be in a panic to do it. Panic moves means we end up trading Petry (Cammy for Bourque).

Without it being panic, while I used to think that Hughes meant Hoffman as one of the players that might just be traded for Cap space and little to nothing in return, I think that he might have meant Petry, actually, and, when he said he'd facilitate a trade if it was right for everybody involved, he might have just meant that, for him, it would mean not having to eat Cap to trade Petry? The return for petry might not have been part a concern when he said "right for everybody."

Moving Petry out of the lineup and not having him drag everybody down might be a huge gain in and of itself. Freeing up 6.25M without having to eat up Cap space would provide options to improve the lineup and be another even bigger gain.

As fans, we might be seeing Petry larger than he still is in this league, not worth less than he actually is for other GMs, as some might suggest.

For a rebuilding team, as we can see with Arizona, being able to take on Cap from other teams can serve to add legitimate assets or interesting futures to your roster.

If we could move both Chiarot and Petry without having any Cap to hold back next year, that would free up almost 10M in Cap room, as Weber's LTIR status would cover Suzuki's new contract. Hughes would now have tons of cards to play in trying to improve the roster, whether it be eat Cap to move another player like Gallagher for an actual return or take on bad contracts in return along with quality prospects in trades.

Right now, Hughes is pretty handcuffed in what he can do and, the ability to eat Cap space at the trade deadline can really have an influence on how much a Cup-aspiring team is willing to pay in futures for a role player addition to their lineup.

Chiarot + Toffoli to a team with no Cap room, by taking back a bad contract and eating Cap from your own players could be an unexpected miracle for a Cap-strapped contender and the return would reflect that.

 

[TomKosto]

Maybe he is just playing bad because he is 34 years old and declining from what was already just second pairing offensive specialist?

The penality he got at the end wasn't a IDGAF one, more like a I can't keep up with the play anymore one.

Excellent post, people who think we will get the moon on the market are delusional.