Proposal: Trade of many bodies (MTL/TOR) Kapanen, Gauthier...

ottomaddox

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Those shooting percentages should be going up. A 5% shooting is not sustainable in any way for any of those guys except for maybe Plekanec.

It's possible, but most teams are around the 40 game mark in the season. How can their second half be so much better? Most teams tighten up defensively as they make their playoff push. Montreal has hard working top 6, but lack creativity (my point this whole time). They need Kapanen. Otherwise you're going to see bad angle shots and wishing pucks into the net.
 

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It's possible, but most teams are around the 40 game mark in the season. How can their second half be so much better? Most teams tighten up defensively as they make their playoff push. Montreal has hard working top 6, but lack creativity (my point this whole time). They need Kapanen. Otherwise you're going to see bad angle shots and wishing pucks into the net.

Kapanen isn't a creative player.
 

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It's possible, but most teams are around the 40 game mark in the season. How can their second half be so much better? Most teams tighten up defensively as they make their playoff push. Montreal has hard working top 6, but lack creativity (my point this whole time). They need Kapanen. Otherwise you're going to see bad angle shots and wishing pucks into the net.

We aren't currently scoring from even the good chances. If you look at Pacioretty for example, the same shot he scored on last year just doesn't go in the net this year for some reason. He should and will bounce back for sure at some point to at least some extent. Not even a team like the Habs who tend to take a lot of shots from bad angles can sustain such low shooting percentages.
 
Kapanen for Juulsen is fair value, the rest of what you offered will never make an impact in the NHL.

And keep hating on the Habs when the Leafs aren't going anywhere either, buddy. They aren't good enough to compete this season and the structure of their team will prevent them from being contenders in the future as well. Enjoy wasting Matthews prime.

Leafs started the season 7-2 and the Habs started 1-6-1, since then they have accumulated the same # of points. Habs are pure garbage and the Leafs aren't far off from them.

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Easy no for the Leafs, we don't want Petry unless there's retention.

Kapanen is going no where. It's a damn shame Babs refuses to put him in the line-up over glorified plugs like Moore, Martin, Komarov. And he could probably fill the role of several others up in the lineup better if he got a fair shake.
 

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To be fair, the Habs are a dash of luck away from a cup, and can't get anything but better --- Toronto is the completely opposite, because roster wise they aren't going to get better than they are today.

Let's look at both teams in a vacuum --- if Tavares finds himself wearing Bleu Blanc et Rouge next year, and we find ourselves in the top 5, (god forbid we pull a Jersey and get Dahlin) our team is almost instantly a contender. If Patches can return a decent top 6 RW and a decent top 4 LD, and we can get by without moving Petry or Weber, this team very easily could be scary next year, our draft choice aside.

Drouin/Tavares/Gallagher
Lehkonen/Galchenyuk/X
Byron/Danault/Shaw
Carr/Hudon/X

Mete/Weber
X/Petry
X/X (Some combination of Benn/Alzner/Jerabek/Schlemko/Juulsen)

If come their time to pick, Hughes, Dahlin, Merkley and Bouchard are all drafted, the Habs should look to move their pick for a 'today' player --- and it becomes the Tavares lottery. A player like Tavares, with Price and Weber already in the equation, turn Montreal into an instant favourite, let alone contender --- sure the Leafs will be better offensively, but we will have a significantly better back-end to support a franchise goaltender, neither of which Toronto boasts.
wrong. the habs aren't a dash of luck from a cup. they are a universe's universe of horseshoes from making the playoffs let alone a cup. the entire team has underpreformed and doesn't look like they will get better despite the lack of injuries. also, roster wise, toronto can get better. any team can get better. they can get doughty/karlsson/tavares. that is much more likely than tavares signing with montreal. if he isn't coming to toronto, theres no way in hell he's going to montreal. another thing, lets say tavares somehow, someway, for some reason makes the cruicifying atrocious decision to sign with montreal. if you trade patches, you wont get a decent top-6 rw and a decent top-4 lhd back. no team on earth would subtract from their current roster to add patches. they would defeat the prupose of attempting to be a better team by doing that.
 

rent free

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We aren't currently scoring from even the good chances. If you look at Pacioretty for example, the same shot he scored on last year just doesn't go in the net this year for some reason. He should and will bounce back for sure at some point to at least some extent. Not even a team like the Habs who tend to take a lot of shots from bad angles can sustain such low shooting percentages.
wrong. you don't know that. with the season montreal is having its more likely than not his struggles continue. also if the habs keep taking shots from the bad angles what makes you think they will stop doing that during the 2nd half of the season?
 
To be fair, the Habs are a dash of luck away from a cup, and can't get anything but better --- Toronto is the completely opposite, because roster wise they aren't going to get better than they are today.

Let's look at both teams in a vacuum --- if Tavares finds himself wearing Bleu Blanc et Rouge next year, and we find ourselves in the top 5, (god forbid we pull a Jersey and get Dahlin) our team is almost instantly a contender. If Patches can return a decent top 6 RW and a decent top 4 LD, and we can get by without moving Petry or Weber, this team very easily could be scary next year, our draft choice aside.

Drouin/Tavares/Gallagher
Lehkonen/Galchenyuk/X
Byron/Danault/Shaw
Carr/Hudon/X

Mete/Weber
X/Petry
X/X (Some combination of Benn/Alzner/Jerabek/Schlemko/Juulsen)

If come their time to pick, Hughes, Dahlin, Merkley and Bouchard are all drafted, the Habs should look to move their pick for a 'today' player --- and it becomes the Tavares lottery. A player like Tavares, with Price and Weber already in the equation, turn Montreal into an instant favourite, let alone contender --- sure the Leafs will be better offensively, but we will have a significantly better back-end to support a franchise goaltender, neither of which Toronto boasts.


I can't determine if this is satire or not.

A dash of luck away from the cup? Seriously?

I know times are tough in Montreal, but the denial and delusion are astounding...I'm genuinely not sure whether to mock or pity you.
 
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wrong. you don't know that. with the season montreal is having its more likely than not his struggles continue. also if the habs keep taking shots from the bad angles what makes you think they will stop doing that during the 2nd half of the season?

You think Pacioretty is going to keep shooting at a 5% rate? Not possible. The question is when he picks it up. I'm not saying he's surely going to become a 30 goal scorer again but players go on hot and cold streaks and Patches is currently in the worst end of that spectrum.

As for shooting from bad angles, I don't expect the Habs to suddenly start only taking quality shots but the point was the key players of the team also have a terrible shooting percentage on high danger scoring chances. It's not sustainable.
 

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