Proposal: Trade of many bodies (MTL/TOR) Kapanen, Gauthier...

[Stephen]

Fixed that for you.

Really, it's you guys that are embarassing themselves with these ****ty proposals.

You're out to lunch if you think Petry is worth a 4th. You're out to lunch if you think Juulsen sucks. You're also out to lunch if you think Pickard is anything to be excited about. Basically you're out to lunch every day of the week.

We are giving up the best asset in the deal for no reason.

 

[Stephen]

It is always a matter of evaluating players. Petry is a 22 minutes player with decent offense production. You wont get that kind of D under 5M$ AAV, unless it is one of your own drafted and developed D on his ELC or bridge contract.

There's a difference between being a 22 minute player on a team that wins, versus playing 22 minutes on a blueline that's making Carey Price look like Jocelyn Thibault.

 

[Benstheman]

We are giving up the best asset in the deal for no reason.

Kapanen?? Sorry but no.

 

[Benstheman]

There's a difference between being a 22 minute player on a team that wins, versus playing 22 minutes on a blueline that's making Carey Price look like Jocelyn Thibault.

Petry was still playing that kind of minutes last year when Markov was still with the team.

 

[schnapshot]

We are giving up the best asset in the deal for no reason.

In what world is Kapanen a better asset than Petry? He has yet to prove he can record an assist at the NHL level.

 

[Prairie Habs]

Which NHL team is going to give you a top 6 C? Especially for what is going the other way? None of those MTL players command a top 6 C. Take those draft picks TOR is offering and take your best shot at drafting a C.

Hopefully that was your last post.

I'm assuming you posed this as a last second submission for worst post of the year? We aren't trading a top 4 RHD and two of our best prospects to a division rival for a wing prospect we don't need + garbage so we can attempt to draft a top 6 C with a 3rd/5th round pick.

I would rather waive all three of them than make that trade.

 

[Petrus]

We have unrestricted free agents in Bozak, JVR and Komarov at the end of the season. Toronto needs to retain it's youth (particulary in C position where our depth is relatively weak) to replace expensive older pieces. In addition, we have big expenditures looming with Marner, Matthews and Nylander.

Long term Strategic Cap Management is absolutely critical right now. I would opt for a conservative stand pat approach for now until we know we are absolutely close to being a contender.

 

[IWD]

I'd rather keep Kapanen, to be honest. I prefer Toronto's tweaking here and there, over moving a large number of players at one time.

 

[Hogan86]

Kapanen and 1st or Liljegren straight up for Petry.

It's not even January yet, and you're out here acting like it's April Fools day.

Not a chance.

 

[Stripper]

Please continue to forget....Liljgren is not available, he's our Sergachev.

I will keep remembering, as that is something that Montreal would be looking for and is something that would be good for Toronto (acquiring Petry that is).

 

[Brownbeard]

Not giving up Kappy to that return, especially to a rival.

 

[Stripper]

Not giving up Kappy to that return, especially to a rival.

It's been agreed upon that this trade is a no go for both teams.

 

[Kobe Armstrong]

Kapanen for Juulsen is fair value, the rest of what you offered will never make an impact in the NHL.

And keep hating on the Habs when the Leafs aren't going anywhere either, buddy. They aren't good enough to compete this season and the structure of their team will prevent them from being contenders in the future as well. Enjoy wasting Matthews prime.

Leafs started the season 7-2 and the Habs started 1-6-1, since then they have accumulated the same # of points. Habs are pure garbage and the Leafs aren't far off from them.

 

[BlueBaron]

Which NHL team is going to give you a top 6 C? Especially for what is going the other way? None of those MTL players command a top 6 C. Take those draft picks TOR is offering and take your best shot at drafting a C.

Hopefully that was your last post.

On HF people always want an ideal return. Do you fill one of their biggest needs? Quantity for quality trades while common are never accepted here.

I'd say though you would have to add a bit. Kapanen is always treated like he is garbage so count him as a 2nd or 3rd if you want to trade him here.

Of course it is unlikely we trade with the Habs.

 

[Revelation]

Kapanen is a top 15 draft pick. Gauthier is a 1st rounder. Pickard is an upside player with draft pedigree.

Look no further than last night's loss vs snow angel Reimer to admit that MTL needs skill at wing in their top 6.

You're trying to swindle a top pairing RD and another promising D for a potential future 3rd line winger and potential 4C lmao

 

[rent free]

leafs would rather go with that they have than to make trades. lillegren + kapanen in the future is probably better than petry now.

 

[rent free]

If you are not ready to pay a ''good to pretty good prospect'' of what you already have for a top 4 RD, then i can't do nothing for you and your hopes of winnig a cup anytime soon.

Ya because Jeff petry is what puts the leafs over the top.

 

[ottomaddox]

I'm assuming you posed this as a last second submission for worst post of the year? We aren't trading a top 4 RHD and two of our best prospects to a division rival for a wing prospect we don't need + garbage so we can attempt to draft a top 6 C with a 3rd/5th round pick.

I would rather waive all three of them than make that trade.

This is the pot calling the kettle black. You would rather waive all three?

 

[rent free]

Kapanen for Juulsen is fair value, the rest of what you offered will never make an impact in the NHL.

And keep hating on the Habs when the Leafs aren't going anywhere either, buddy. They aren't good enough to compete this season and the structure of their team will prevent them from being contenders in the future as well. Enjoy wasting Matthews prime.

Leafs started the season 7-2 and the Habs started 1-6-1, since then they have accumulated the same # of points. Habs are pure garbage and the Leafs aren't far off from them.

The leafs are closer to the cup than the habs. Also you don't know that the leafs will waste Matthews prime. The leafs could win a cup before Matthews hits his prime, something the habs can wish of and not accomplish because they're in shambles. Also, We've got good talent and a young core which has a much better chance of succeeding that your aging declining core and meh roster players. This is the beginning of the dark ages for the habs. Embrace it will you.

 

[ottomaddox]

Keep telling yourself that your team doesn't need any skill or help on the wings. Look at these stats(!):

Shooting Percentage


Kapanen 14.3%

Drouin 5.8%
Patches 5.4%
Lehkonen 3.8%
Plekanec 5.2%
Galychenuk 8.7%
Gallagher 12.3%

I am shocked.

The rest of the NHL is shocked too.

 

[Mackiaveli]

To MTL
Kapanen
Gauthier
Aaltonen
Pickard
3rd round pick in 2018
conditional 5th round pick in 2019

To TOR
Petry
Lindgren
Juulsen

Montreal strengthens their C position with prospects, gains a NHL ready backup, and a dynamic scoring winger.

Toronto gains a D player for the playoffs, a G prospect, and a future D.



This is my 1st proposal. Go easy on me.

If Habs wanted to add a solid winger (that is young) I imagine both Beauvillier and Duclair (Frenchies, so what we can expect Bergevin to chase down) would be a lot cheaper than the package above. I doubt Juulsen or Mete depart Montreal unless the return is ridiculous (ie: it wont happen) --- Lindgren can be had (+Pick) for a young D or C prospect with Top4/Top6 potential respectively. Petry can be had for a similar pieces.

Petry, 2nd, Lindgren for Mantha or Larkin from Detroit, as an example, is what our GM should be fishing for. Some may say its an unfair deal, but you get a locked up 3D who can play big minutes, a great goaltending prospect, and a good pick for one of two kids (Selling High, in the case of Detroit) who have had a solid season but not too much beyond that

Similar idea would be moving the package to Minnesota for a player like Eriksson Ek.

Would like to actually see Patches + Petry + Lindgren ++ sent to Florida for Huberdeau and one of their centers (Trochek or Bjugstad)

 

[Mackiaveli]

The leafs are closer to the cup than the habs. Also you don't know that the leafs will waste Matthews prime. The leafs could win a cup before Matthews hits his prime, something the habs can wish of and not accomplish because they're in shambles. Also, We've got good talent and a young core which has a much better chance of succeeding that your aging declining core and meh roster players. This is the beginning of the dark ages for the habs. Embrace it will you.

To be fair, the Habs are a dash of luck away from a cup, and can't get anything but better --- Toronto is the completely opposite, because roster wise they aren't going to get better than they are today.

Let's look at both teams in a vacuum --- if Tavares finds himself wearing Bleu Blanc et Rouge next year, and we find ourselves in the top 5, (god forbid we pull a Jersey and get Dahlin) our team is almost instantly a contender. If Patches can return a decent top 6 RW and a decent top 4 LD, and we can get by without moving Petry or Weber, this team very easily could be scary next year, our draft choice aside.

Drouin/Tavares/Gallagher
Lehkonen/Galchenyuk/X
Byron/Danault/Shaw
Carr/Hudon/X

Mete/Weber
X/Petry
X/X (Some combination of Benn/Alzner/Jerabek/Schlemko/Juulsen)

If come their time to pick, Hughes, Dahlin, Merkley and Bouchard are all drafted, the Habs should look to move their pick for a 'today' player --- and it becomes the Tavares lottery. A player like Tavares, with Price and Weber already in the equation, turn Montreal into an instant favourite, let alone contender --- sure the Leafs will be better offensively, but we will have a significantly better back-end to support a franchise goaltender, neither of which Toronto boasts.

 

[Hockey down under]

To be fair, the Habs are a dash of luck away from a cup, and can't get anything but better --- Toronto is the completely opposite, because roster wise they aren't going to get better than they are today.

Let's look at both teams in a vacuum --- if Tavares finds himself wearing Bleu Blanc et Rouge next year, and we find ourselves in the top 5, (god forbid we pull a Jersey and get Dahlin) our team is almost instantly a contender. If Patches can return a decent top 6 RW and a decent top 4 LD, and we can get by without moving Petry or Weber, this team very easily could be scary next year, our draft choice aside.

Drouin/Tavares/Gallagher
Lehkonen/Galchenyuk/X
Byron/Danault/Shaw
Carr/Hudon/X

Mete/Weber
X/Petry
X/X (Some combination of Benn/Alzner/Jerabek/Schlemko/Juulsen)

If come their time to pick, Hughes, Dahlin, Merkley and Bouchard are all drafted, the Habs should look to move their pick for a 'today' player --- and it becomes the Tavares lottery. A player like Tavares, with Price and Weber already in the equation, turn Montreal into an instant favourite, let alone contender --- sure the Leafs will be better offensively, but we will have a significantly better back-end to support a franchise goaltender, neither of which Toronto boasts.

Bahahahahaha. A dash of luck from a cup? Montreal is currently the 4th worst team in the league. Toronto isn't going to get better? They have a young core that is only going to get better with time.

I will say that Montreal has had some bad luck with their shooting percentages. They aren't as bad as their record dictates. Carey Price is having an off year so far and I expect him to bounce back.

That said, Frederik Anderson is 10th in the league with a .920 save % for goalies who have played at least 20 games. That is franchise goalie worthy. Carey Price is currently sitting 24th at .907%.

The Islanders are in playoff position atm and have a site for their new stadium. I doubt Tavares at this point is going to test free agency. If he was going to though, he would be going to a contender, not a team that finishes in the bottom 5 in the league.

By your same logic, Toronto could sign Karlsson or Doughty in free agency in a couple years and they'll be the favorite to win the cup. Heck Colorado could sign Tavares Doughty and Karlsson and suddenly they'll be favorites to win the cup.

 

[Hostile Offer]

Keep telling yourself that your team doesn't need any skill or help on the wings. Look at these stats(!):

Shooting Percentage


Kapanen 14.3%

Drouin 5.8%
Patches 5.4%
Lehkonen 3.8%
Plekanec 5.2%
Galychenuk 8.7%
Gallagher 12.3%

I am shocked.

The rest of the NHL is shocked too.

Those shooting percentages should be going up. A 5% shooting is not sustainable in any way for any of those guys except for maybe Plekanec.

 

[ottomaddox]

To be fair, the Habs are a dash of luck away from a cup, and can't get anything but better --- Toronto is the completely opposite, because roster wise they aren't going to get better than they are today.

Let's look at both teams in a vacuum --- if Tavares finds himself wearing Bleu Blanc et Rouge next year, and we find ourselves in the top 5, (god forbid we pull a Jersey and get Dahlin) our team is almost instantly a contender. If Patches can return a decent top 6 RW and a decent top 4 LD, and we can get by without moving Petry or Weber, this team very easily could be scary next year, our draft choice aside.

Drouin/Tavares/Gallagher
Lehkonen/Galchenyuk/X
Byron/Danault/Shaw
Carr/Hudon/X

Mete/Weber
X/Petry
X/X (Some combination of Benn/Alzner/Jerabek/Schlemko/Juulsen)

If come their time to pick, Hughes, Dahlin, Merkley and Bouchard are all drafted, the Habs should look to move their pick for a 'today' player --- and it becomes the Tavares lottery. A player like Tavares, with Price and Weber already in the equation, turn Montreal into an instant favourite, let alone contender --- sure the Leafs will be better offensively, but we will have a significantly better back-end to support a franchise goaltender, neither of which Toronto boasts.

I stopped reading and started counting Tavares plus all the X's. That turn-around could take 9 or 10 seasons.