Confirmed Signing with Link: [TOR] Marner re-signs (6 years, $10.893M AAV) Part II

[ManwithNoIdentity]

LOL. You really have no clue what you're talking about.

The Leafs have the best young core in the league.

And in spite of our "cap hell" we got them all signed up!

Yet you haven't gotten jack to show for it...

 

[Holymakinaw]

And his lack of understanding of PP production easily closes that 1.4m gap.

LMAO. He's a 22 year old who already has a 94 point season under his belt. In fact, Marner and McDavid were the ONLY two 22 year olds(or under) to score 94 or more points last year.

I think Marner will be fine, thanks.

Yay!!!

 

[shortfuze]

Didn't Pittsburgh get bit really hard in the a... er, behind a couple years ago when they played most of the season right up against the cap, had a couple late season injuries on D, and couldn't fill in the way they'd have liked because of cap space? Any Pens fans willing to refresh my memory?

If Dubas wants to free up a bit more space, what is his most likely move?

In the Crosby era? I’ll take 3 cups in that era any day of the week.

 

[Leaf Fans]

Yeah, that’s a straw man argument if I’ve ever seen one. Market value on a 6-year term is around 9.5M for Marner.

No, it isn't the contract has been signed the market value turned out to be more 10.893. I had also speculated 9.5 but their is a whole thread in two parts.

 

[TomasHertlsRooster]

No, it isn't the contract has been signed the market value turned out to be more 10.893. I had also speculated 9.5 but their is a whole thread in two parts.

So you are of the belief that every single contract that is signed is exactly market value?

 

[Scintillating10]

Not especially, no. Just happy it's over and everyone's locked up and we someone managed at the same time to improve the D slightly for at least the coming season. So yes, Marner and Matthews were somewhat overpaid but ./shrug, it is what it is at this point. Time to move forward with our new reality.

Well, looks like you will get a shot at a Cup. Nothing to growl at. With 31 teams and parity in league, not going to happen often.

 

[Leaf Fans]

So you are of the belief that every single contract that is signed is exactly market value?

You do know that Market value is the price an asset would fetch in the marketplace. In the Toronto market place Marner fetched 10.893.

 

[shortfuze]

Overpay and cripple your roster? sure

Majority of the team is locked up for a few years with 20+ million coming off next year. Use the money on the defence. Pretty sure Dubas is happy with where he’s at.

 

[Nothingbutglass]

Majority of the team is locked up for a few years with 20+ million coming off next year. Use the money on the defence. Pretty sure Dubas is happy with where he’s at.

Not exactly. From Mirtle's article in The Athletic:

The Maple Leafs salary-cap situation is a bit of a mess right now, and it means they will likely be carrying a 20- or 21-man roster all season.
Their front office staff are feeling defeated, done in by another frustrating negotiation that went on too long and ultimately didn’t go their way.

 

[TomasHertlsRooster]

You do know that Market value is the price an asset would fetch in the marketplace. In the Toronto market place Marner fetched 10.893.

And relative to what the market has always been for wingers of his caliber, that is extremely high.

 

[SML2]

Majority of the team is locked up for a few years with 20+ million coming off next year. Use the money on the defence. Pretty sure Dubas is happy with where he’s at.

You have 1 dman under contract for past this season. I have never seen anyone do this before.

 

[All Mod Cons]

Jesus it's already started. Spurgeon 7.575mil through ages 29-36.

This contract will lead to a lockout

 

[Nervousbreakdown]

And relative to what the market has always been for wingers of his caliber, that is extremely high.

YOU SPENT THE LAST TWO MONTHS IN MARNER THREADS SAYING HE WAS TORONTO'S BEST PLAYER. MAKE UP YOUR MIND.

 

[shortfuze]

You have 1 dman under contract for past this season. I have never seen anyone do this before.

Well stick around. You can watch Dubas fill in the defence next year with that 20+ million

 

[All Mod Cons]

YOU SPENT THE LAST TWO MONTHS IN MARNER THREADS SAYING HE WAS TORONTO'S BEST PLAYER. MAKE UP YOUR MIND.

 

[shortfuze]

Not exactly. From Mirtle's article in The Athletic:

The Maple Leafs salary-cap situation is a bit of a mess right now, and it means they will likely be carrying a 20- or 21-man roster all season.
Their front office staff are feeling defeated, done in by another frustrating negotiation that went on too long and ultimately didn’t go their way.

No doubt it’s a tricky situation. I was actually referring to next year but I can see the mix up on my part. But the good thing is that the season hasn’t started yet. So let’s see where it’s at when the first game starts. Things can change over the next 3 weeks.

 

[illpucks]

Kind of amazing that this signing didn't crash HF

 

[Nervousbreakdown]

You have 1 dman under contract for past this season. I have never seen anyone do this before.

That true, though of their current roster D men the leafs are likely only interested in retaining Dermott and Barrie. They will probably be leaning on having Liljegren and Sandin a cheap options for the next 3 and 2 years respectively.

 

[Pavels Dog]

Well stick around. You can watch Dubas fill in the defence next year with that 20+ million

Just to clarify, where's 20+ million coming from? I'm reading about 15 million on capfriendly. Is it just assuming about 5 million of growth in total cap?

Not that 20 million is really much when you have 10-11 players to sign though. It's actually pretty tight. Leafs have a good team, but they better hope this group can get it done because bringing in additional help on defense, or stronger depth, will be really difficult.

 

[Leaf Fans]

And relative to what the market has always been for wingers of his caliber, that is extremely high.

Sure, and I have to admit that not all markets are the same, not even in the NHL, but it is not new information regarding Marner. You have been in every part of Marner and these have been posted several times: Report: NHL's Restricted Free Agents waiting for Mitch Marner to set the market
Report: Agents waiting for Marner's deal to set RFA market
My personal feeling is that comparables and their influence on other players contract is blown way out of proportion, and that is individuals negotiate their own contracts independent of anyone else. But not in ignorance, they understand the market. I also think that each team has its own market and there is not one single NHL market- cost of living, taxes ECT are discussed ad nauseum on these board's.

 

[TomasHertlsRooster]

YOU SPENT THE LAST TWO MONTHS IN MARNER THREADS SAYING HE WAS TORONTO'S BEST PLAYER. MAKE UP YOUR MIND.

Um, what? I pretty consistently had Marner in this pay range on a 6-year term.

I don’t think that Marner will get more than Matthews, but I think he will get more than his market value. My guess is $10.616 on a 6 year term.

The argument that I made the entire time was that the market simply would not dictate Marner being paid as much less than Matthews as many of his fans suggested. I still said that Marner would be paid less than Matthews, but that it would be significantly more than people had predicted, and that an overpayment to a similar degree would have to be handed out. Everybody said I was way off for saying that, but it turned out to be spot on.

 

[ManwithNoIdentity]

HF must have seriously strengthen their service space

 

[CatchyTune]

That true, though of their current roster D men the leafs are likely only interested in retaining Dermott and Barrie. They will probably be leaning on having Liljegren and Sandin a cheap options for the next 3 and 2 years respectively.

Lock up Barrie, bridge Dermott, let Muzzin and Ceci walk, bring up Liljegren and Sandin, fill in the last spot with a cheap vet

 

[Leaf Fans]

Um, what? I pretty consistently had Marner in this pay range on a 6-year term.



The argument that I made the entire time was that the market simply would not dictate Marner being paid as much less than Matthews as many of his fans suggested. I still said that Marner would be paid less than Matthews, but that it would be significantly more than people had predicted, and that an overpayment to a similar degree would have to be handed out. Everybody said I was way off for saying that, but it turned out to be spot on.

I have seen you use those numbers before. I was was a 9.5er. clearly I was wrong.

 

[Confucius]

Yeah, that’s a straw man argument if I’ve ever seen one. Market value on a 6-year term is around 9.5M for Marner.

Why just yesterday posters were saying any team would offer sheet Marner 11, if they didnt have to give up picks. Fair deal! No discount, no overpayment