Confirmed with Link: [TOR/CBJ] Frattin for D'Amigo, conditional 7th. Frattin re-signed 2yr/800k AAV

[Puzzles]

This is a good trade.

Frattin had a bad year but he's an NHL player. Solid in all areas of the game and when he last played for us developed some nice chemistry with Kadri and put up some decent numbers.

The love around here for D'Amigo is ridiculous. He's really not that good.

I would say his time in the NHL last year was completely ineffective. He provided no offense. In the physical and defensive side of the game he tries hard and gives a full effort but is way overmatched in the NHL.

People like his game on the Marlies. Big deal- he was a fourth year pro! He still wasn't even close to point-per-game last year (and never has been) and wasn't even a top five scorer on the Marlies. The guy put up a 29 point season in his third AHL year. That's terrible for anybody who has visions of an NHL career.

Compare that to Frattin's AHL production. Frattin's a much better all-round player than D'Amigo. In fact you could argue that Carrick has a better chance at an NHL career than D'Amigo and nobody even talks about him.

This so much.

 

[Mess]

If Frattin puts up the numbers that Raymond did last season, I will be happy.

After being traded last year Frattin put up 2-5-7 points last year in the NHL in 2013-14 on 2 different playoff teams LA and Columbus. Mason Raymond put up 19-26-45 points last year.

Frattin is 26 and Raymond is 28.

Raymond just received a 3 year $9.5 mil deal (AVV $3.15 mil) while Frattin resigned for 2 years $1.6 mil deal (AVV $800k).

So your expectations are fairly high.

 

[ACC1224]

From what I've seen of both, I preferred D'Amigo.
I can live with the deal though.

 

[Smif]

Something is happening here, all the posters I usually disagree with, we agree this was a bad asset move by The Leafs.

Draft/Develop/Dealt campaign I call it.

Not happy in the direction of the team ATM. If D'amigo becomes a bottom 6 player with Columbus, this is going to be painful to watch.

We got two guys back that we drafted and developed and traded one away...IMO Komarov made D'amigo expendable.

 

[Dangles McGavin]

Huge D’Amigo fan, and I won’t rag on him, but Frattin is definitely a superior player. Hits harder, stronger, incredibly heavy shot, proven chemistry with Kadri.

Bringing Frattin back is like a dream-come-true for me, not because I think he’s going to light it up, but I really like his game, and I think he can still figure his game out. He’s got some incredible skills.

 

[Mess]

We got two guys back that we drafted and developed and traded one away...IMO Komarov made D'amigo expendable.

Isn't Komarov expected to replace Kulemin while Frattin replaces D'Amigo essentially.

Jerry is 3 years younger than Frattin, but Matt as a result is further along in his development due to age and experience.

Frattin is a better offensive player while D'Amigo is a better defensive one.

 

[ULF_55]

I have an uneasy feeling about this.

He went to LA and they dumped him. He went to Columbus, who is trying to put together an LA type program, and they dumped him. Kekalainen is a really smart guy and I wouldn't be surprised if he robbed us blind with this trade.

D'Amigo turned 23 in February
Frattin turned 26 in January

Frattin played his first NHL season age 23-24.

This upcoming season would be D'Amigo's 23-24 season.

I love how Leafs' picks in the 4th. through 7th. rounds have no value when they are throwing them away, which is interesting because Frattin was a 4th. round pick ... something that has no value.

I love Frattin, really hope he can get his career on track, but what a poorly run franchise.

 

[leafs in five]

If this is the piece we need to light Kadri's fire than I'm all for it. He's a cheap serviceable winger who will do his money's worth and then some over the next few years.

Leafs are raving about it on twitter, thats something people are missing. Komarov too. They are changing the culture here. They are bringing in lockerroom guys.

it appears that they are trying to change the culture back to what it was before Nonis tried to change the culture last summer.

 

[thewave]

D'Amigo turned 23 in February
Frattin turned 26 in January

Frattin played his first NHL season age 23-24.

This upcoming season would be D'Amigo's 23-24 season.

I love how Leafs' picks in the 4th. through 7th. rounds have no value when they are throwing them away, which is interesting because Frattin was a 4th. round pick ... something that has no value.

I love Frattin, really hope he can get his career on track, but what a poorly run franchise.

The franchise is properly run(profitable), the asset management is atrocious.

 

[Mess]

D'Amigo turned 23 in February
Frattin turned 26 in January

Frattin played his first NHL season age 23-24.

This upcoming season would be D'Amigo's 23-24 season.

I love how Leafs' picks in the 4th. through 7th. rounds have no value when they are throwing them away, which is interesting because Frattin was a 4th. round pick ... something that has no value.

I love Frattin, really hope he can get his career on track, but what a poorly run franchise.

D'Amigo was a Burke draft pick, and Frattin was a JFJ draft pick as was Komarov for that matter.

So it appears Leafs are trying to rebuild their former prospect pool to before the current rebuild began thinking they're improvements on what they currently have.

 

[Trapper]

After being traded last year Frattin put up 2-5-7 points last year in the NHL in 2013-14 on 2 different playoff teams LA and Columbus. Mason Raymond put up 19-26-45 points last year.

Frattin is 26 and Raymond is 28.

Raymond just received a 3 year $9.5 mil deal (AVV $3.15 mil) while Frattin resigned for 2 years $1.6 mil deal (AVV $800k).

So your expectations are fairly high.

Right now I see Frattin as a replacement for Orr. Orr is a dinosaur now and our 4th line needs to take regular shifts.

Ashton/Center/Frattin can play more than 2 minutes/night and even if they don't score much, keep the other team pinned in their zone against the boards.

 

[Renegade]

The best part about this trade was getting Frattin at a low like this.

Nobody liked the JVR trade when it first happened. Everyone was obsessed with Schenn that they hated having to trade him for an injury prone forward who was not playing well in Philly.

Sometimes you have to give something you like to get a good player. It's how it works. I really like D'Amigo, but Frattin's overall game is steps ahead. I think most Leafs fans are guilty of stat watching and judging him from there.

 

[Mess]

Right now I see Frattin as a replacement for Orr. Orr is a dinosaur now and our 4th line needs to take regular shifts.

Ashton/Center/Frattin can play more than 2 minutes/night and even if they don't score much, keep the other team pinned in their zone against the boards.

Leafs current depth chart on RW looks like Kessel, Clarkson, Frattin & Orr for players currently under contract.

The LW side a little better with JVR, Lupul, Komarov and McLaren with Aston (RFA).

On the Leafs RW side Frattin may play as high as 2nd line wing beside Kadri and ahead of Clarkson despite only putting up 2-5-7 points last year in the NHL.

 

[CBinTokyo]

Shanahan said that the Leafs need to look for higher upside. I think Frattin has a high upside. Maybe he never develops it,. but it is inline with what current managements is looking for. In the past there was no real direction, at least now we have the beginning of a context.

Frattin has a much higher upside compared to D'Amigo. D'Amigo may never make the NHL. Frattin can be a difference maker..will he? Who knows, but the upside is there.

 

[91Stammer*]

Leafs current depth chart on RW looks like Kessel, Clarkson, Frattin & Orr for players currently under contract.

The LW side a little better with JVR, Lupul, Komarov and McLaren with Aston (RFA).

On the Leafs RW side Frattin may play as high as 2nd line wing beside Kadri and ahead of Clarkson despite only putting up 2-5-7 points last year in the NHL.

I think we are ignoring the most talented RW we just picked in this draft. Kessel and Nylander already looks thunderous.

 

[Joey Hoser]

D'Amigo was a Burke draft pick, and Frattin was a JFJ draft pick as was Komarov for that matter.

So it appears Leafs are trying to rebuild their former prospect pool to before the current rebuild began thinking they're improvements on what they currently have.

Or maybe they just think Frattin is a better player than Damigo, and attaching a bunch of philosophical nonsense about the rebuilding process of the last several years is really reaching for something.

 

[ACC1224]

D'Amigo was a Burke draft pick, and Frattin was a JFJ draft pick as was Komarov for that matter.

So it appears Leafs are trying to rebuild their former prospect pool to before the current rebuild began thinking they're improvements on what they currently have.

Yeah, no doubt.

 

[ULF_55]

Shanahan said that the Leafs need to look for higher upside. I think Frattin has a high upside. Maybe he never develops it,. but it is inline with what current managements is looking for. In the past there was no real direction, at least now we have the beginning of a context.

Frattin has a much higher upside compared to D'Amigo. D'Amigo may never make the NHL. Frattin can be a difference maker..will he? Who knows, but the upside is there.

Frattin has more upside because?

What in his background leads you to say that, the fact he spent 4 years in college?

Hey, I like Frattin, but D'Amigo was a Rookie of the Year in College, scored 34 points in 35 games as an 18 year old.

Frattin at the same age, rather a year older, had 15 points in 43 games his first year in college.

It is nice to have Frattin back if Carlyle is going to play him in an offensive role, but he's 26 and we're still banking on this higher upside?

I like Frattin's physicality, when he brings it. It was missed, but then when you chose to play someone like Mason Raymond in an offensive role don't expect your prospects playing 8 minutes a night with stone hand linemates to produce.

Let's hope the Frattin who drove the net, and showed a great shot shows up, but it should have been to replace the flyby Raymond.

 

[Smif]

Isn't Komarov expected to replace Kulemin while Frattin replaces D'Amigo essentially.

Jerry is 3 years younger than Frattin, but Matt as a result is further along in his development due to age and experience.

Frattin is a better offensive player while D'Amigo is a better defensive one.

Komarov replaces D'amigo - 3rd liners w/ good PK ability
Frattin replaces Raymond - 2nd/3rd line tweeners but more suited for scoring.
Ashton or another Marlie replaces Kulemin.

That's how I see it.

 

[Diamond Joe Quimby]

Leafs current depth chart on RW looks like Kessel, Clarkson, Frattin & Orr for players currently under contract.

The LW side a little better with JVR, Lupul, Komarov and McLaren with Aston (RFA).

On the Leafs RW side Frattin may play as high as 2nd line wing beside Kadri and ahead of Clarkson despite only putting up 2-5-7 points last year in the NHL.

What about "da kids" (Leivo, mckegg, Abbot)?

 

[Commander Clueless]

Komarov replaces D'amigo - 3rd liners w/ good PK ability
Frattin replaces Raymond - 2nd/3rd line tweeners but more suited for scoring.
Ashton or another Marlie replaces Kulemin.

That's how I see it.

Perhaps, but I think there's a good chance that Frattin sees a lot of time on the 2nd line thanks to his previous chemistry with Kadri. Also, if we let Clarkson just bang away and take some pressure off him offensively, maybe he could re-find the point producing side of his game. Fingers crossed.

I like Matt Fratt, but I really think that line needs more defensive presence than he can provide, particularly if Lupul is with them. I think I'd rather have kept Kulemin for that slot, if he'd sign here. However, that doesn't seem likely.

Right now, I see it as:

JVR/Lupul-Bozak-Kessel
JVR/Lupul-Kadri-Frattin
Komarov-Holland-Clarkson
Ashton?-Carrick?-UFA?

We haven't addressed the issue of defensive ability in the top six. Despite the success of the JVR-Bozak-Kessel line, I'd consider swapping Lupul and JVR to attempt to balance out some of the defensive adequacy. None of them are really proficient defensively minus Bozak.

Frattin's position there is, of course, barring Nylander making the team or a breakout season from a rookie, like say Josh Leivo.

 

[Drakkor]

Doesn't this trade fit into the category of buying a player at a low price. He has shown past chemistry with Kadri and fits with the team chemistry as well. And at a cap hit of $800,000 sems like a pretty good gamble to me.

 

[Kubus]

I'm going to guess that most people commenting on here don't watch that many Marlies games. D'Amigo is a good player, should make a decent bottom 6 energy guy, but he was no where near as dominating in the AHL as Frattin was at the same age.

If Frattin can get some of is game back he should be able to help us out with bottom 6 scoring, something D'Amigo would not be able to do. D'Amigo could have turned into a good PK specialist, energy guy, but we just signed Komarov who is actually better with the puck and is more offensively skilled...as much as that might shock some people.

One thing I will give D'Amigo is that he really brought it in the playoffs. However lets not forget that he was generally uses as a bottom 6 energy guy, PK specialist, on a roster lacking offensive stars.

 

[Clark4Ever]

I just can't see them thinking Frattin can score 19 goals and 45 points next season.

Buuuuut, if Frattin can provide better board play, a bit more robust on his skates, while being hard to play against and still provide 10 goals and 30 or so points, for 800k, we'll take it and run.

In his last season with us, he had 13 points (7G, 6A) in 25 games. If he can stay healthy, it's possible.

 

[buttman*]

After watching D'Amigo in his first NHL stint last year I had serious concerns. He seemed small and over-matched. His hustle was evident but didn't accomplish much. He got hit very hard a couple times in the same game. For a guy that is supposed to be throwing checks that is a concern. He might develop but Frattin at this point is the better player. Frattin also has more potential to be a top 6 player. He needs to stay healthy but was real good in his first year here.