Confirmed with Link: Tim Gleason want return a Caroline (1 yr/1.2)

[bleedgreen]

theres no reason for us to be worse as of today. marginally better is a likely result. 7-12 spot in the draft. a bunch of injuries could change that, but we aren't likely to be in the hunt for number one.

coaching could have a positive effect, and our offensive lines make a bit more sense than they did last year. our d is no better really, other than internal improvement possibly from faulk and murphy. sekera will be a bit lucky to do as well as he did, and will likely regress some.

 

[Finlandia WOAT]

Anyone who looked at the 'Canes internal salary and at the ridiculous deals for FA defensemen (Orpik at 5.5 long term? ) knew that we weren't making a big splash unless we offloaded Ward for nothing.

Signing Tim Gleason isn't bad at all, considering he is clearly getting compensation for what he clearly is- a bottom pairing player.

Also, people keep saying that Cam Ward was handed the starting job...where is this?

 

[Carolinas Identity*]

The one thing that makes me curious is how they're going handle the bottom 2 pairs.

Sekera//Faulk is obviously the top and that's fine, but I'm curious about the bottom 2.

I can't imagine they'd pair Liles with Murphy, that has disaster written all over it. I'm thinking: Hainsey//Liles, Gleason//Murphy? Not idea, but it should be serivceable.

 

[Novacane]

Also, people keep saying that Cam Ward was handed the starting job...where is this?

Bob McKenzie @TSNBobMcKenzie · Jun 30
CGY was one of several teams that had talked to CAR about Ward. Barring another change of mind, Ward will be CAR's No. 1 G next season.

 

[Joe McGrath]

Anyone who looked at the 'Canes internal salary and at the ridiculous deals for FA defensemen (Orpik at 5.5 long term? ) knew that we weren't making a big splash unless we offloaded Ward for nothing.

Signing Tim Gleason isn't bad at all, considering he is clearly getting compensation for what he clearly is- a bottom pairing player.

Also, people keep saying that Cam Ward was handed the starting job...where is this?

Bob McKenzie strongly implied Ward was going into the season as the #1. Of course he is neither Bill Peters or Ron Francis and no one other than him has made that statement so I suspect it's only his opinion. And he knows MUCH less about the Canes with JR gone. People here just overreacted and took his word as gospel for no apparent reason.

 

[VAcaniac]

Seems like a win-win to me!

Either

1) Cam stands on his head and makes RF look like a genious

or

2) We have a top 5 draft pick!

 

[FlyingSquirrels]

C'mon now, we all know that if there are 6 elite prospects in the draft we will be picking 7th.

 

[TheBigKahuna]

I hope Cam plays well enough to warrant a big trade before the deadline. No matter how you slice it, you can't continue to dish out over $8m to goaltending, unless you're dead set on a Cup run...and that's not happening.

 

[Finlandia WOAT]

What I don't like is that RF can easily fall into a very narrow window here.

If Ward is playing well enough that we can offload him for a 6th rounder and retain minimum salary as the only condition, then he will probably be playing extremely well. 2009-2012 well- consistently keeping a team in the game that honestly has no business doing so.

But if he is playing that well, then barring another disaster season involving every forward under performing and massive injuries, then RF is not going to have much incentive to trade him.

He needs to go into this season with the goal to trade Ward unless Khudobin really craps the bed. Or at least have a clearly defined line for what Ward needs to meet before we decide to hang onto him.

Either way, I think that Ward is going to remain a 'Cane until FA 2016, then either re-up with us for less or search for a starting job somewhere else.

 

[Anton Dubinchuk]

What I don't like is that RF can easily fall into a very narrow window here.

If Ward is playing well enough that we can offload him for a 6th rounder and retain minimum salary as the only condition, then he will probably be playing extremely well. 2009-2012 well- consistently keeping a team in the game that honestly has no business doing so.

But if he is playing that well, then barring another disaster season involving every forward under performing and massive injuries, then RF is not going to have much incentive to trade him.

He needs to go into this season with the goal to trade Ward unless Khudobin really craps the bed. Or at least have a clearly defined line for what Ward needs to meet before we decide to hang onto him.

Either way, I think that Ward is going to remain a 'Cane until FA 2016, then either re-up with us for less or search for a starting job somewhere else.

Excellent post, I agree that there's a bit of difficulty here. The only way another team wants him for $6m a year is, in most cases, a situation where we'd want him for $6m a year too.

 

[jstaal]

msg

But seriously, I'm a little down on him because of how slow he's gotten. But as long as we don't anoint him our fourth top four guy without making him earn it, I can live with it because there's very little commitment to this deal. Still wish we had a proper top four, but I think this is as good as it's going to get.

Feel better now??

 

[Anton Dubinchuk]

jstaal is back

Feel better now??

jstaal is back

 

[jstaal]

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Agreed.. It is also why players will not come here. Overpaid players that do not perform. Hell the islanders are now a better destination than carolina. So until ward eric and a couple other contracts expire or are traded, the team will be at the bottom. Stock pile draft picks and young talent and wait 5 years. There is a thread on this forum that asks who the bottom five teams will be. Buffalo, florida, and edmonton are pretty much on all posts. Canes are on about 2/3 of the replies... Pretty sad.

Just people opinions...

 

[rocky7]

don't like this signing even at a low hit. so be it........

 

[tarheelhockey]

Not that it makes much difference, but there are an awful lot of Leafs fans complaining that Gleason and McClement were two of the only team-first, blue collar players on the Leafs. They seem to feel that the Leafs have basically neutered their defensive lines.

Considering one of our most pressing issues was finding some (productive) grit and team-first attitude, maybe it's not such a bad idea to bring these two on board.

 

[bleedgreen]

I never minded Gleason between the ears or the heart, it was always the feet. On a cheap deal it's not a bad signing, I think we just all want the past to be the past. Not just in the actual players but in the mentality the old team had. No more retreads would've been a good idea for at least a year or two to show separation between the regimes.

McC is an awesome signing. I think we'll regret it only being one year. If we bomb we have some pieces to sell off this year.

 

[cptjeff]

Not that it makes much difference, but there are an awful lot of Leafs fans complaining that Gleason and McClement were two of the only team-first, blue collar players on the Leafs. They seem to feel that the Leafs have basically neutered their defensive lines.

Considering one of our most pressing issues was finding some (productive) grit and team-first attitude, maybe it's not such a bad idea to bring these two on board.

I do think it makes a difference. The culture of a team really matters- NHL teams and players are so close in talent that night to night, the mental game is a huge proportion of what determines success. Gleason's always been good on that front, and I'm happy to hear it about McClement as well.

 

[nobuddy]

The more I think about it, I honestly would have much preferred giving Loktionov this contract.

Gleason has no redeeming qualities whatsoever.

 

[Blueline Bomber]

I think there's a lot of assumption that, because a player played poorly last year, there's no possible way they can play well this year. I would hope the history of the Canes provides enough examples to say otherwise.

 

[nobuddy]

I think there's a lot of assumption that, because a player played poorly last year, there's no possible way they can play well this year. I would hope the history of the Canes provides enough examples to say otherwise.

You're overgeneralizing it. Gleason was a trainwreck here and with Toronto.

Literally every Leaf was much worse with Gleason than they were without him.

http://stats.hockeyanalysis.com/showplayer.php?pid=77&withagainst=true&season=2013-14&sit=5v5

That is beyond terribad.

 

[Blueline Bomber]

Ok, and how does that go against anything I said?

He was bad last year. No one's denying that. I think even Gleason has admitted that.

However, that does not mean he will be bad this year. There could have been mitigating circumstances that caused him to have a poor year last year that might not come into play this year. On the flip side, he could also just be over-the-hill and won't be any good this year as well.

Until it becomes obvious one way or the other, I find it hard to judge this signing as "awful", "horrible" or whatever overreaction there is over a depth defenseman signing.

 

[Anton Dubinchuk]

Ok, and how does that go against anything I said?

He was bad last year. No one's denying that. I think even Gleason has admitted that.

However, that does not mean he will be bad this year. There could have been mitigating circumstances that caused him to have a poor year last year that might not come into play this year. On the flip side, he could also just be over-the-hill and won't be any good this year as well.

Until it becomes obvious one way or the other, I find it hard to judge this signing as "awful", "horrible" or whatever overreaction there is over a depth defenseman signing.

I see where you're coming from, but he was REALLY bad last year. Unless the Canes explicitly KNOW of these circumstances, I don't feel like this holds much weight as far as actually making the decision to sign him. That being said, I do like this signing, I'm thinking of it as our Komisarek risk last year.

 

[Tyler Biggs*]

I would've kept this one Nonis. He would've gone great with Robidas and Polak. Phaneuf, Rielly, and Gardiner for points. Good luck back in Carolina Tim!