Rumor: Tierney, Boedker available (and Martin)

[StanleyCup2035]

Sheahan got a 3rd. I think ultimately the Pens would be moving their 2nd and a prospect for Tierney. Don’t know what kind of prospect Sharks would be looking for.

That would be a great deal. Even greater if Wilson/Burke are fired by the draft so we can get someone with offensive upside

 

[Gecklund]

If Tierney is our 2nd line center and we hope to compete for the Stanley Cup we are in trouble

I did say in the future. I’m sure you were one of those saying the same thing about Pavelski and Hertl years ago.

 

[StanleyCup2035]

I did say in the future. I’m sure you were one of those saying the same thing about Pavelski and Hertl years ago.

No. Nobody in their right mind would compare Pavelski and Hertl and their upside to Tierney.

 

[Juxtaposer]

Not with the way he’s playing. If he’s able to continue to grow, he could become a 2nd line center for us.

Let’s put the brakes on. I’m happy with how Tierney has played this year but the ship has sailed on top-6 center.

 

[Gecklund]

Let’s put the brakes on. I’m happy with how Tierney has played this year but the ship has sailed on top-6 center.

No it really hasn’t. If he can keep it up he could easily be a 2nd line center. Similar to Bozak.

 

[Mattb124]

Trust us, the ship has sailed.

 

[Red Light Lover]

Tierney is only 23, I think it's premature to write him off. Given the Sharks pipeline he might not get the opportunity, but that's not the same as capability.

 

[Lebanezer]

Trust us, the ship has sailed.

It happened so long ago the dock was consumed by the sea.

 

[Juxtaposer]

No it really hasn’t. If he can keep it up he could easily be a 2nd line center. Similar to Bozak.

Yes, it really has. And secondly, Bozak was never a 2C. He was a 3C who was propped up by good wingers and whose offense was good enough that he could pass for a 2C if you didn’t look too closely and find out that he was literally the worst defensive center in the whole league not playing on a fourth line.

 

[Red Light Lover]

Yes, it really has. And secondly, Bozak was never a 2C. He was a 3C who was propped up by good wingers and whose offense was good enough that he could pass for a 2C if you didn’t look too closely and find out that he was literally the worst defensive center in the whole league not playing on a fourth line.

Tierney is 23, solid as a defensive center while his offense has steadily improved over 3 seasons in the NHL but is hampered by playing with 4th liners who never earn their coffee. Bozak is a bad example but so is the notion that any doors have closed on Tierney.

 

[Juxtaposer]

Tierney is 23, solid as a defensive center while his offense has steadily improved over 3 seasons in the NHL but is hampered by playing with 4th liners who never earn their coffee. Bozak is a bad example but so is the notion that any doors have closed on Tierney.

In what world has Tierney improved steadily offensively over the past three seasons? His rookie season was his best.

 

[Mattb124]

Tierney's offense stagnated after his rookie year, there was no steady improvement. He is trending up a bit this season in part due to playing with more talented linemates.

 

[Red Light Lover]

In what world has Tierney improved steadily offensively over the past three seasons? His rookie season was his best.

Over the last three years, his point production has steadily improved all while facing more difficult assignments/competition.

 

[Pinkfloyd]

Over the last three years, his point production has steadily improved all while facing more difficult assignments/competition.

It's a bit hasty to say that he's improved offensively this year. It's only a fourth of the way in and with the way that Tierney plays and where he plays, he will have large gaps in his production at certain points during the season, you can pretty much count on that.

 

[Mattb124]

Point production declining from ~.5 ppg in his rookie year to ~.25 ppg the next 2 years doesn't represent a steady improvement.

 

[jarr92]

All the same things could have been said about Tommy Wingels a couple years ago. We all know how that turned out

 

[Red Light Lover]

It's a bit hasty to say that he's improved offensively this year. It's only a fourth of the way in and with the way that Tierney plays and where he plays, he will have large gaps in his production at certain points during the season, you can pretty much count on that.

That is true, but also his current production rate is a positive outlier from his projected improvement. If he controls his "gaps" he should still be on a positive trajectory. It's not out of line to imply that, given his play the last few years and his production this year that he will likely show improvement over last year.

 

[Red Light Lover]

All the same things could have been said about Tommy Wingels a couple years ago. We all know how that turned out

Would it be fair to say that given the rule changes in the NHL may have had a bigger effect on Wingels game than his projections?

 

[Red Light Lover]

Point production declining from ~.5 ppg in his rookie year to ~.25 ppg the next 2 years doesn't represent a steady improvement.

He only played a little more than half a season that first year. If this year's improvement can't be considered because it's too soon, then that first year is also an outlier that should be thrown out. Then his two years of full seasons see his PpG .25 and .29 respectively.

Also, if he wasn't saddled with an ice cold Boedker on the wing stats would look a lot better this year and last.

 

[Pinkfloyd]

That is true, but also his current production rate is a positive outlier from his projected improvement. If he controls his "gaps" he should still be on a positive trajectory. It's not out of line to imply that, given his play the last few years and his production this year that he will likely show improvement over last year.

I'm inclined to agree that his gaps won't be as wide or as frequent, I don't think he's going to round out his game enough and then take it to another level needed to become a 2C caliber player. It took him a couple years to finally solidify himself as a 3C against that kind of competition. If he had this much trouble adjusting to 3rd line competition, I just don't think he's good enough to play how he'd need to in order to succeed at that level. I think he can be a very solid 3C for many years and maybe be a reliable facilitator on the 2nd PP unit but he's not consistent in the discipline he needs to be a 2nd line player. He makes too many soft mistakes and he'd need to take more onus on going to the net and scoring goals rather than cycling constantly and looking to be a poor man's Thornton. He's got to play a lot more like Couture does if he wants to be a 2nd line center but he doesn't get inside enough to do that.

 

[TheWayToRefJose]

I mean, I wouldn't say it's impossible for him to be a 2C, just highly unlikely. He's perfectly suited to 3C duties. Not ideally a 4C because of how most coaches tell the fourth line to keep it simple and gritty, and that's definitely not his game. Plus, he's not a player that can make people with brick hands into scorers, but he can definitely mesh well with skill players.

 

[Mattb124]

He only played a little more than half a season that first year. If this year's improvement can't be considered because it's too soon, then that first year is also an outlier that should be thrown out. Then his two years of full seasons see his PpG .25 and .29 respectively.

Also, if he wasn't saddled with an ice cold Boedker on the wing stats would look a lot better this year and last.

Move the goal posts to suit your narrative if you wish, but that doesn't change the fact that his production has not steadily improved year over year.

 

[Bleedred]

Doug Wilson phoning up all GM's to tell them that Boedker is available

Doug Wilson: Hey! Boedker is available and he scored a goal against Vegas recently!
Other GM's: Nope, not interested! Good bye!

Now here's what happens when he calls up a GM that's in a bad mood

Doug Wilson: Boedker is available and (clicking noise from the other GM hanging up) he just scored yes..........terday.

 

[DarrylshutzSydor]

It's a bit hasty to say that he's improved offensively this year. It's only a fourth of the way in and with the way that Tierney plays and where he plays, he will have large gaps in his production at certain points during the season, you can pretty much count on that.

lol, it sounds like you are talking about Marleau!

I like Tierney, and think he is a smart player, but for him to make it as a 3rd line center, he better bring some more snarl to his game....a 2c he is not.....

 

[Pinkfloyd]

lol, it sounds like you are talking about Marleau!

I like Tierney, and think he is a smart player, but for him to make it as a 3rd line center, he better bring some more snarl to his game....a 2c he is not.....

Is that what it sounds like to you? You should probably give it another listen.