Again man, how do you know this to be the fact when they have said otherwise?bling said:To be "told by some of the players" is nothing more than heresay and presumption on Mario and Waynes part. I have no doubt that a lot of rumor and innuendo was flying in the time frame of Wednesday thru Saturday of that fateful week.
Because they were led to believe that the players were going to make a proposal does not mean they were told that by the NHLPA negotiating committee. It is just as likely to have come from the NHL Owners group based on their own inaccurate and arrogant assumptions.
Gee, who to listen to... Mario Lemieux or Trent Klatt... thats a tough one...Chuck Shick said:When you have the Trent Klatt's of this league calling Lemieux and Gretzky liars in the media you know it's over. If you think ugly was February 16th wait until you see complete and total devastation. The NHL is GONE gang, we should find another league to follow or hope a new league evolves maybe a new WHA maybe a World League. There will never be any give by either side on this ever.
Toronto Star Article Today by Ken Campbell:
"When asked why Lemieux would say that he was told the players would be making an offer, Klatt said, "I don't know, maybe to create turmoil, to get guys to question us. They know for a fact that we weren't coming with a new proposal and for them to assume we were, someone gave them some bad information or they're throwing something out there for the sake of throwing something out there. That's them dropping information in the media trying to get us to do something."
Words from Mario's own mouth:Snydley Whiplash said:nobody from the NHLPA ever said they wanted to try and bridge the gap
in the cap. As wanker the whiner(gretzky) said himself that day, he "assumed" that is what was to be discussed but he was never actually told that. The story has evolved since then to where it is unrecognizable now, but the facts remain.
"The only way that Wayne and I would have gotten involved is because we believed there was a new proposal coming from the Players' Association," Lemieux said. "We were told by some of the players we were talking to that there would be a new proposal on the table at the $45 [million] level."
Snydley Whiplash said:exactly, they "BELIEVED" that was what was happening, they were not TOLD that was happening,
Snydley Whiplash said:exactly, they "BELIEVED" that was what was happening, they were not TOLD that was happening,
"We were told by some of the players we were talking to that there would be a new proposal on the table at the $45 [million] level."
Splatman Phanutier said:Gee, who to listen to... Mario Lemieux or Trent Klatt... thats a tough one...
Klatt talks like people actually care what he has to say.
bling said:For those of you who worship at the Temple of Mario and Wayne, I am sure it is clear cut whom you believe. For those of us who recognize them as just two more members of Ownership then it is obvious what their agenda is.
Quite frankly I do not see any evidence to proclaim anyone involved a liar. Trent Klatt suggests they were mislead, Wayne and Mario admit to making assumptions based on what "some players" led them to believe.
Your right, it most definetly feels better.habfan4 said:<<<--- You should have used this guy Lou
Mario Lemieux and Wayne Gretzkey were called by the NHLPAbling said:For those of you who worship at the Temple of Mario and Wayne, I am sure it is clear cut whom you believe. For those of us who recognize them as just two more members of Ownership then it is obvious what their agenda is.
Quite frankly I do not see any evidence to proclaim anyone involved a liar. Trent Klatt suggests they were mislead, Wayne and Mario admit to making assumptions based on what "some players" led them to believe.
bling said:For those of you who worship at the Temple of Mario and Wayne, I am sure it is clear cut whom you believe. For those of us who recognize them as just two more members of Ownership then it is obvious what their agenda is.
Quite frankly I do not see any evidence to proclaim anyone involved a liar. Trent Klatt suggests they were mislead, Wayne and Mario admit to making assumptions based on what "some players" led them to believe.
bling said:Let's take a step back here. Who actually invited Mario and Wayne? It was the Owners group who did so at the behest of the NHLPA. So logically it would seem that the NHL Owners group said to Mario and Wayne. "The NHPLA is ready to cave and has asked that you there to witness it or perhaps even lend some credence to the proceedings." Now to me that is the bad info that those guys recieved.
Who is then responsible for misleading Mario and Wayne? Sounds like the NHL Owners group to me!
Trent Klatt was correct in saying they were misled.
Thunderstruck said:Except that Mario claimed he talked directly to players who told him that a new offer was coming. The info was not second hand from the league, but directly from PA members.
When Goodenow re-established control, he took the opportunity to stab Mario and Wayne in the back for talking to unhappy members of the PA and attempting to reach a compromise deal with the NHL.
It's pretty bad when a newspaper can't even keep its bias out of the headlines.Jaded-Fan said:Lemieux under attack from union
Pens owner tried to create rift
Flyers' Clarke takes a shot at Goodenow
bling said:Again..the "some players" thing. I have no doubt that some players did feel as you have stated. But they were not the ones that were charged with making those decisions.
Your assumptions, stated as fact, regarding Goodenow's punishment of Mario and Wayne is quite laughable too. Those guys are Owners, how is anything Bob says or does going to be considered punishment to them?
bling said:For those of you who worship at the Temple of Mario and Wayne, I am sure it is clear cut whom you believe. For those of us who recognize them as just two more members of Ownership then it is obvious what their agenda is.
Quite frankly I do not see any evidence to proclaim anyone involved a liar. Trent Klatt suggests they were mislead, Wayne and Mario admit to making assumptions based on what "some players" led them to believe.