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I hope they bring Bachman back, otherwise there's a black hole between the pipes. Demko the odds on favorite to be at least the backup in VanCity...not sure what happens to Nilsson, but can't believe the Canucks would be willing to pay him $2m a season to play in the minors. As for DiPietro, unless he's traded in the OHL, his season, his year could end early and he would be eligible to come to the Comets by mid-March.

But obviously the Canucks have to figure out their goaltending situation in Utica this off-season.
 

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DiPietro's the 3rd string goalie for Canada at the World's.I didn't see that coming, now we have our two future goalie's hopefully.I wonder what they'll do with the goalie situation next year.Demko should make the Canucks but then what do you do with Nillson?trade him or Markstrom but after the Luongo/Schnieder debacles wouldn't expect much in return.Maybe one of those all-important 5th rounders some Canuck fans were so upset about at TDL.
 

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I don't know why posters keep saying Demko is a lock to make the Canucks last year. The game he played at the end of the year showed that he's not ready for the NHL. He played well, but then got lit up for 3 late goals. While the Canucks porous defense was partly to blame, Demko himself conceded that he wasn't reading the plays fast enough. He's better served playing 50-60 games next year with Utica than being the back-up with the Canucks.
 

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I don't know why posters keep saying Demko is a lock to make the Canucks last year. The game he played at the end of the year showed that he's not ready for the NHL. He played well, but then got lit up for 3 late goals. While the Canucks porous defense was partly to blame, Demko himself conceded that he wasn't reading the plays fast enough. He's better served playing 50-60 games next year with Utica than being the back-up with the Canucks.
So they should bring both Nilsson and Markstrom back for another season?....really?...how much pain and suffering can Canuck fans endure?. Demko is the future...and the future is "now".
 

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Canucks are no where near being a playoff team until they fix their defense and they are at least 2-3 blue chip D prospects away from that. They should get one if they use their 1st round pick this year on Dobson/Bouchard/Hughes, but that player won’t be in the lineup until 2019-20. When the Nucks wind-up near the bottom of the standings next year and if the draft lottery gods are good to them, they could wind up with someone like Bowen Byram or Tobias Bjornfot.
 

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Canucks are no where near being a playoff team until they fix their defense and they are at least 2-3 blue chip D prospects away from that. They should get one if they use their 1st round pick this year on Dobson/Bouchard/Hughes, but that player won’t be in the lineup until 2019-20. When the Nucks wind-up near the bottom of the standings next year and if the draft lottery gods are good to them, they could wind up with someone like Bowen Byram or Tobias Bjornfot.
Frankly I'm tired of talking about the Canucks as a lottery team and who'll they draft before the season even begins....If they're going down the same path as last season, or the season before, then at least do it with younger players. I'd be fine with losing if Demko, Pettersson, Gaudette, Dahlen and Juolevi are all there on opening night, and players like Virtanen and Goldy are ready to take the next step.

The Avs finished with one of the worst records in post-lockout history in 2016-17, managed to find a way to actually fall four places in the draft lottery, and still ended up making the playoffs this season ahead of teams like St. Louis and Dallas. So who really knows?
 

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You're only as good as you're last game ,i guess.I'm glad real scouts don't scout like that.
 

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Demko should 100% be in Vancouver next year unless he completely craps the bed in the preseason.

Utica starter should be Anders Nilsson as there's no way we're getting rid of that contract. Bury him in Utica and they'll have a very good veteran starter at that level.
 
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DiPietro's the 3rd string goalie for Canada at the World's.I didn't see that coming, now we have our two future goalie's hopefully.I wonder what they'll do with the goalie situation next year.Demko should make the Canucks but then what do you do with Nillson?trade him or Markstrom but after the Luongo/Schnieder debacles wouldn't expect much in return.Maybe one of those all-important 5th rounders some Canuck fans were so upset about at TDL.

DiPietro's a good prospect right now but I wouldn't read too much into the team Canada thing. As Canada's starting two are already pretty weak and you still need a 3rd string who likely won't play, DiPietro was probably brought along for the experience because he'll be pegged to be Canada's starter at next seasons WJC's.

A WJC starter is no lock for the NHL. Again DiPietro is a good prospect but we'll need to see how he's doing in Utica in another year or two before we can start projecting him in the NHL.
 
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DiPietro's a good prospect right now but I wouldn't read too much into the team Canada thing. As Canada's starting two are already pretty weak and you still need a 3rd string who likely won't play, DiPietro was probably brought along for the experience because he'll be pegged to be Canada's starter at next seasons WJC's.

A WJC starter is no lock for the NHL. Again DiPietro is a good prospect but we'll need to see how he's doing in Utica in another year or two before we can start projecting him in the NHL.
Can't argue with that.Great prospect but no guarantees.WJC will be a good experience for him too.
 

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Demko should 100% be in Vancouver next year unless he completely craps the bed in the preseason.

Utica starter should be Anders Nilsson as there's no way we're getting rid of that contract. Bury him in Utica and they'll have a very good veteran starter at that level.

That's stupid. The decision should be based on what's best for Demko's development and not who makes the better backup goalie for the Canucks. He didn't look all that great in his one game here. He might be better off starting in Utica and getting more NHL games next season. The Canucks shouldn't count on Demko being the backup goalie next season. If he earns a spot, maybe you hand him the spot. If not, send him down then have him try again. For goaltenders, a season of development can make a big difference. There's no need to rush Demko. If he isn't an above average backup goalie to start the season, it might be best to send him back down.
 
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That's stupid. The decision should be based on what's best for Demko's development and not who makes the better backup goalie for the Canucks. He didn't look all that great in his one game here. He might be better off starting in Utica and getting more NHL games next season. The Canucks shouldn't count on Demko being the backup goalie next season. If he earns a spot, maybe you hand him the spot. If not, send him down then have him try again. For goaltenders, a season of development can make a big difference. There's no need to rush Demko. If he isn't an above average backup goalie to start the season, it might be best to send him back down.

I could care less who the better backup is in the short term (although it would almost certainly be Demko as well).

The guy has played 2 full AHL seasons plus an extra NCAA season relative to CHL prospects. He was an elite AHL starter who threw a .922 save % on the board last year. Time to take the next step.

And it lines up with what guys with comparable pedigrees have done. Matt Murray played 71 AHL games and was Pittsburgh's starter at this age. Connor Hellebucyk played 88 AHL games and was Winnipeg's starter at the age Demko will be next year. Alex Vasilevskiy played 37 games and was in his 2nd year as a starter at the same age. John Gibson played 70 AHL games and was an NHL starter at this age. And so on. Demko has 90 AHL games.

If he struggles, of course send him down. But the tentative plan should be for him to be in the NHL and he should be put in a position to succeed.
 
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That's stupid. The decision should be based on what's best for Demko's development and not who makes the better backup goalie for the Canucks. He didn't look all that great in his one game here. He might be better off starting in Utica and getting more NHL games next season. The Canucks shouldn't count on Demko being the backup goalie next season. If he earns a spot, maybe you hand him the spot. If not, send him down then have him try again. For goaltenders, a season of development can make a big difference. There's no need to rush Demko. If he isn't an above average backup goalie to start the season, it might be best to send him back down.
I wouldn't expose Demko to what's most likely in store for us next year either. Three years in Utica was always the sensible plan. Of course if he busts the door down you keep him around. But he has to play.
 

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Demko has nothing more to learn in Utica.....he needs to consistently face NHL shooters even if it's in a backup role (30-35 games). That's the only way he's going to improve his game now.
 
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Year End Review of Prospects in Utica

Watched a lot of the Utica games this year although not very much of the playoff series with Toronto and would make the following comments about Canuck prospects in Utica

Demko – helped confirm the fact that he is the best prospect on the team. No reason to think that he isn’t on a path to becoming a legit NHL goal tender

Future: Should be on the Canucks next year and get significant amount of games. Needs to take the next step.

Brisebois – survived most of the year which is more than you can say for many on the Utica back end. Was the youngest player to play throughout the season and should be given credit for holding his own most of the time. Most positive aspect of his play was his skating and the good range he showed in his play. Most negative was his lack of aggression around his net. Also, he was tentative in asserting himself on offense. Mostly took a safety first approach and concentrated on keeping play to the outside. Looked decent when asked to play the point on the PP when others were hurt. Does have a decent frame and should be able to add some weight.

Future: Back in Utica for another year of development. Critical year for Brisebois since he needs to become a higher level player at this level. Needs to add strength and greater quickness and look more to join in on the offense. If he plateaus where he is, then doubtful he ever does much for the Canucks.

Chatfield – competes hard and shows a good burst of speed at times. But you wonder about upside. Does lots of things fairly well but nothing especially well. Got dinged a few times and the injuries slowed him up as the season went on. Not a big player and needs to be more productive offensively (7 points in 60 games isn’t going to cut it) and stronger around his net to be considered a legit prospect.

Future – back in Utica where he should play a top 4 role

Goldobin – fans have seen enough in Vancouver to get good handle on this player. In Utica he was elite player offensively (probably more than a point a game player). Yet in both Vancouver and Utica he lacked a complete game. Play off the puck was poor at times and he was prone to bad turnovers.

Future: Has to make Vancouver next year or be pretty much written off as a prospect. Might make a case that he could be jockeyed back and forth again but, if so, then you are more or less saying he isn’t developing.

Boucher – real elite AHL player and likely re-signed . If he can’t make the Canucks then Utica gets a player who may well lead the AHL in scoring.

Future: Must make the Canucks to be on any sort of track to becoming an NHL regular. Elsewise might be considered as add on in some trade scenario.

Cassels – plugs along and has made himself into a decent AHL player. However, lacks much speed, is a poor shooter and can’t distribute the puck when in tight quarters or when playing at speed. Just not very naturally talented. Is smart and plays in all areas of the ice and will grind it out. Yet despite effort loses a lot of puck battles and has trouble taking people off the puck. Ultimately Cassels is something like ex-Canuck prospect Alex Friesen.

Future: Certainly not a priority signing. Could see this management (which often seems to put character ahead of ability) giving him a one year deal but much better if Utica signed him. Can’t see him being anything of a loss if he goes elsewhere outside of losing some character.

Dalhen – hard to make much comment on the little we saw. But seems pretty obvious he lacks a complete pro game. Has some speed and dangles but these need to be of a superb nature to allow you to play in the NHL when you can’t grind out the play in the defensive zone and along the boards.

Future: Difficult seeing him making the Canucks next year but he should be good player in Utica. Long term future is very open question.

One general comment that could be made about Dahlen is that he is a lot like other Canuck pickups. All of Goldobin, Dahlen, Boucher, Leipsic, Carcone, Jasek, D’Aoust, and, to an extent, Molino, Lind and Motte (and even Baertschi and Granlund could fit into this class) are the types you get when you are making thin deals, signing free agents or drafting late. You end up with a bunch of fringe top 6 players which other team have decided lack the ability to play anywhere else in the lineup. Teams waive these types of players or move them in trades to get some immediate help. So even though you have a quantity of such players, it doesn’t mean you have much other than a bunch of redundant type of prospects. Poor organizations often end up in these circumstances.

McEwen – would say he had successful year. Showed some ability to score and produce points and was often good on the forecheck. His stick handling was generally good and he demonstrated, at times, the ability to make smart plays with the puck. Not as physical as you might have expected but strong enough to hold his own along the boards. Biggest issue is skating. He needs to pivot and turn more smoothly. At times, skated himself out of the play b/c of lack of better edge work.

Future: Next year again in Utica with hopefully a greater role on the team. Long term McEwen should get a real shot with the Canucks. If he can improve his skating and positioning he could be a decent NHL player although likely on the lower tier of being that. That said, he remains something of project.

Sautner - IMO the most improved player on the Comets. Biggest asset is his skating which is at, or close to, NHL caliber. This allows him very good ice coverage. However, there is little else that is above average in his game. He works hard around his net but still has trouble handling big forwards. He has little in the way of offense. His shot is no better than ok and he lacks the lateral movement that would open up better shooting lanes. His play making, even at the AHL level, is no more than decent. In the main, he does a good work man like job but there is little to suggest he can do more than this.

Future: His improvement this year gives hope that Sautner can continue to elevate his game. Still I don’t see him as NHL ready and it is probable that he returns to Utica where he starts as top 4 player. If he can continue to lift his game and assert himself more, then there is a good chance he gets time in Vancouver next year.

McEneny – like others got wiped out by taking continuous brutal hits. Did start the season well and was key loss for the Comets.

Future: Seemed on track to get some time with the Canucks but now his future is clearly clouded. Will probably need a long stretch in Utica to hopefully get his game back.

Carcone – real up and down season. There were times when he was an effective offensive player and his production helped get the team through some rough patches. Scored some very nice and critical goals But, at other times, disappeared and accomplished very little. At his best, Carcone showed excellent speed and came up with some highlight goals. However, he often did not move the puck effectively and showed a need to better scheme his offensive efforts. Lots of his plays were one-offs when rushing or moving the puck and his play commonly lacked flow – such in the cycle game. (It should be noted however, that Carcone like the rest of the wingers had little to work with at center) Lastly, defensive play remains an issue with Carcone.

Future: Carcone showed enough to think that he could carve out an alright minor League career. However, there are too many holes in his game to have much belief that he is NHL material. He could still surprise but he needs to start showing more, soon.

D’Aoust – not actually signed by the Canucks but more or less in their system. He played a feisty game and produced a reasonable amount of offense. Got banged up and faded late in the season but overall had fairly successful season. One drawback is that the Canucks have so many players like him and he is probably not as good as many of those players.
Future – Should be re-signed by the Comets. Has some upside – at least at that level.

Molino – very poor start to the season but after a return from injury had a very good run. His speed made him a constant threat to break away and also allowed him to harass the other team into mistakes. However, other teams took note and began to take out Molino hard leading to long term injury. Season never did get back on track. Ultimately Molino looks like a lesser version of Motte.

Future: Appears too slight to stand up to the banging at the pro level. Likely not signed.

Jasek – came late in the year and almost immediately became the best offensive player on the team. (others like Boucher were in Vancouver) Showed good quickness and an ability to get in to scoring areas. Injury shortened his season.

Future – Limited sample size but showed as much offensive potential during that time as any younger player on the team. Needs to add weight and develop better chemistry with line mates. Hopefully has good season in Utica next year. Hard to get along term read on this player ATM

Lind – only got into a few games and wasn’t able to get much done. Could see he struggled with the size and quickness of pro hockey. Looked like he was really feeling his way and often not on the same page with his teammates. Did show an ability to see the play but needed to be quicker and more deceptive in making plays. Obviously not ready for the quick sticks in the pro game. Speed appeared adequate but needed to think the transition game quicker.

Future – Will almost certainly be a learning year in Utica next year

LaPlante – remains a wonder how this player got a pro contract. Supposedly a tough guy but frequently hurt when he tries to be tough. Has minimal hockey skill (and that’s being kind) and rarely in sync with the rest of the team.

Future – Might have trouble making Kalamazoo

LaBate – had a horrendous developmental season. Was expected to provide some push back but had trouble keeping healthy enough to stay in the lineup. When he did play he looked clumsy and was very poor with the puck. Constantly seemed to fighting the puck and taking himself out of the play.

Future – Can’t see him being re-signed by the Canucks. Utica might look to sign him if they know that his injury prevented him from being more effective. More likely they don’t however.

Cederholm – played briefly and poorly.

Future – None in NA.

Stewart – played only two games but that was long enough to show he didn’t have clue about playing defense.

Future : Team can finally get rid of him.

As to the rest I don’t consider the Wiercoichs or Megnas as prospects.

Other comments about the team

Has be beaten to death but the ultimate truth about the Comets is that they must be one of worst team at center in the AHL. They must stop dinking around with marginal 4th line checkers like Hamilton, and ECHLers like Darcy or some PTO and bring in vets that can distribute the puck and facilitate the younger players. Efforts towards this need to be started by Canucks now (although it’s more likely management is too concerned with holiday plans and arranging alumni golf events to be very active her). Maybe look to Europe or even signing a decent NHL free agent center with the idea of getting him to Utica.

As far as the defense goes a lot of problems were obscured by the play of Demko. Yet if they can retain what they had at the end of the year, get Joulevi up to speed, have McEneny come back fully healed and get a better vet than Sifters, they should be ok.

Think Cull has be congratulated for getting as much out of the team as he did. Rarely has a team gone through as much as the Comets. Throughout the year they were often overmatched but through hard work and sticking to Cull’s system they became at least a playoff team. In this, players like Cassels need to be given some kudos. He sort of typified a team that lacked ability and seasoning but which came to play every game.

I think much of this was done in spite of the lack of help from the Canuck brass. I think that was really shown in the way the Canuck management did little to protect the team from being run. In many games, they had no toughness in the lineup and other teams took advantage and put many Comets on the injury list (which became incredible for a good deal of the season). This situation was ignored throughout much of the season. This, among many other things, again helps illustrate the pathetic nature of Canuck management in terms of their primary farm club.
 

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I think much of this was done in spite of the lack of help from the Canuck brass. I think that was really shown in the way the Canuck management did little to protect the team from being run. In many games, they had no toughness in the lineup and other teams took advantage and put many Comets on the injury list (which became incredible for a good deal of the season). This situation was ignored throughout much of the season. This, among many other things, again helps illustrate the pathetic nature of Canuck management in terms of their primary farm club.

Thanks for the assessments. But what kind of push back and protection are you advocating? Are you suggesting that the Comets dress a HW enforcer? In terms of fighting, the Comets went from 30th in the league to 3rd in the league in fighting majors this season. Who on the Comets got ran and got injured and really could have used protecting?

The Canucks themselves are leaders in man games lost. Not sure many fans would agree with you that the problem is the team lacked protection.
 

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I'm not buying the fact that the Comets were physically abused by other teams and were injured as a result....besides, with the veteran rule in the AHL no team can afford to retain a veteran enforcer for 'protection'. Comets got beat by the Marlies in the playoffs, and I can't think of a single 'tough guy' on that team.

Agree though that Utica is thin at center and has been for years......but one or both of Gaunce and Motte could end up in Utica next fall and both can play center. They just have to beat the bushes for a veteran center with a scoring touch....problem is most of those guys have taken their careers to Europe where they can earn a lot more money. I'd still like to see them try MacEwan in the middle, if his skating improves.

But "pathetic nature of the Canucks management in terms of their primary farm team" is criticism completely over the top imo. Canucks have an exciting group of prospects ready to join their ranks in Utica. And you'd never convince me that when it comes to their AHL farm teams, the Canucks are any worse than most other NHL teams, many of whom don't see their AHL team as much of a development tool at all.

I mean look at Edmonton (Bakersfield); Calgary (Stockton); Montreal (Laval) and Ottawa (Belleville) and what their rosters look like...surely you're not suggesting the Canucks/Comets are in 'worse shape' than those teams.
 
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I think you guys are underestimating how tough the AHL is physicality wise.

The AHL also had a lot more fights in less games than the NHL
 

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Cory Schneider spent three years with the Moose. I don't see a problem with Demko completing a third year with the Comets.
 

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Cory Schneider spent three years with the Moose. I don't see a problem with Demko completing a third year with the Comets.
Lol....the major reason Schneider played three years with the Moose is that a certain goaltender named 'Louey' was holding down the number one slot in VanCity and he was basically a 65-70 game goaltender in his prime. Surely you're not comparing playing backup to Markstrom with backing up Luongo.
 
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Lol....the major reason Schneider played three years with the Moose is that a certain goaltender named 'Louey' was holding down the number one slot in VanCity and he was basically a 65-70 game goaltender in his prime. Surely you're not comparing playing backup to Markstrom with backing up Luongo.

When Luongo got hurt in 08-09, the Canucks traded for Labarbara so that they could return Schneider to the AHL instead of letting him stay up, so it's unlikely that the only reason he was in the AHL was that they didn't think he'd get enough games at the NHL level.
 

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Demko should 100% be in Vancouver next year unless he completely craps the bed in the preseason.

Utica starter should be Anders Nilsson as there's no way we're getting rid of that contract. Bury him in Utica and they'll have a very good veteran starter at that level.
per Russian media, SKA Petersburg is interested in Anders Nilsson, who is one of candidates for SKA goalie position.
 

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per Russian media, SKA Petersburg is interested in Anders Nilsson, who is one of candidates for SKA goalie position.

Not sure how that would work as he's still under contract to us. Would be brilliant if we could get out of the deal, though.
 

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Not sure how that would work as he's still under contract to us. Would be brilliant if we could get out of the deal, though.
That is what I have said many times - allow NHL teams to trade a player to European leagues for monetary compensation. And allow European clubs to trade a player to the NHL club for monetary compensation.
 

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I could care less who the better backup is in the short term (although it would almost certainly be Demko as well).

The guy has played 2 full AHL seasons plus an extra NCAA season relative to CHL prospects. He was an elite AHL starter who threw a .922 save % on the board last year. Time to take the next step.

And it lines up with what guys with comparable pedigrees have done. Matt Murray played 71 AHL games and was Pittsburgh's starter at this age. Connor Hellebucyk played 88 AHL games and was Winnipeg's starter at the age Demko will be next year. Alex Vasilevskiy played 37 games and was in his 2nd year as a starter at the same age. John Gibson played 70 AHL games and was an NHL starter at this age. And so on. Demko has 90 AHL games.

If he struggles, of course send him down. But the tentative plan should be for him to be in the NHL and he should be put in a position to succeed.

What does "tentative plan" mean? Not have a capable NHL backup in case Demko isn't ready? Not have at least one capable starting goalie (besides Demko) in Utica? You said 100% Demko should be in the NHL.

Your fixation on age is bordering on ridiculous. All of the guys you mentioned has proven themselves as capable NHL backups before penciled in as the NHL backup. Demko has played 1 NHL game and you want to hand him the backup spot 100%?

Don't get me wrong, Demko is certainly "old enough" and experienced enough where I don't think not playing too many games would hurt his development. But if he's not ready to play in the NHL and you force him into a backup role, that may affect his development.

Demko has nothing more to learn in Utica.....he needs to consistently face NHL shooters even if it's in a backup role (30-35 games). That's the only way he's going to improve his game now.

I don't think there's much correlation between a goalie development and NHL experience. I don't know of any goalies who you can say "developed in the NHL."
 
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