Speculation: The Official Horrible Trade Proposals Thread: Part 2, Have a Drink

[Finlandia WOAT]

Oh, I didn't realize this was a touchy accusation to make with y'all. My mistake.

Buffalo wouldn't be the first team to make a trade for the sake of changing the makeup of the room and lineup. Calgary traded Phaneuf for a collection of junk at the beginning of the decade. A Philadelphia team 1 year removed from a SCF appearance traded Richards and Carter for packages of lesser young players, prospects and picks. Pittsburgh gave up a 40 goal scorer in Neal for Hornqvist and Spaling.

IIRC:

calgary realized phaneuf had already peaked and cashed in on him (tho that is the one i know least about tbh)

Philly had a leadership spat b/t Pronger/Lavi and Richards/Carter because Pronger took the Stickpuck Showdown seriously while the latter duo would often drink to excess and party to the wee hours of the morning during April and May.

Pittsburgh was a "we need to be tougher"- but in this case, it worked since Hornqvist is an agitator, a gritty player and a skill winger rolled into 1, which is to say, he can actually play (unlike Ryan Reaves lol).

When decent players are traded, there's usually some thing going on behind the scenes. In this day and age anyway. Makes you wonder about why ror is "relatively likely to be moved".

 

[sabremike]

Oh, I didn't realize this was a touchy accusation to make with .

You made a claim that was completely untrue and were called on it. Maybe don't make claims that are completely untrue???

 

[Finlandia WOAT]

You made a claim that was completely untrue and were called on it. Maybe don't make claims that are completely untrue???

I was being sincere- or trying to convey that cia the internet lol. Relax.

The authoratative tone was wrong, I should have prefaced it with "I think". And I didn't know what the official reasoning was per Sabres HQ, so thanks for that. Is there a specific reason why ror ( and not one of the 8 scrubs at forward) is the target of a culture change?

 

[sabremike]

I was being sincere- or trying to convey that cia the internet lol. Relax.

The authoratative tone was wrong, I should have prefaced it with "I think". And I didn't know what the official reasoning was per Sabres HQ, so thanks for that. Is there a specific reason why ror ( and not one of the 8 scrubs at forward) is the target of a culture change?

The whole thing where he said all the losing was beating his love for the game out of him. Frankly watching this team has beaten my love for the game out of me so I don't blame him. Basically culture is a magic narrative that people everywhere jump on for reasons that are completely beyond me. If you don't have good players you aren't going to win, voodoo about culture won't change that.

 

[Lempo]

Were it not for Jimmy "The King" Brown, I couldn't deal with anything that has 'blockbuster' in the thread title.

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

Anyone else think that sabremike might in reality be Mike Card?

 

[Unsustainable]

@sabremike

What about Faulk, Rask, 20191st for ROR before 7/1?

 

[sabremike]

@sabremike

What about Faulk, Rask, 20191st for ROR before 7/1?

Nope. Basically for me I would have to be blown away to trade ROR and I think there are other teams who would give us better offers than that.

 

[sabremike]

Anyone else think that sabremike might in reality be Mike Card?

The fact that I was born in 1977 and he was born in 1986 suggest that isn't the case (and yes I used Wikipedia to find his birth year). He did, however play 4 more games for the Sabres that Taro Tsujimoto (the Tokyo Katanas legend we drafted many years ago).

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

The fact that I was born in 1977 .

Youngster.

 

[Lempo]

I wonder if there went any extra scrutiny to verifying Teuvo Teräväinen after the Tsujimoto incident. "Helsinki Jokers" and all that.

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

Don’t ever leave us Lempo

 

[tarheelhockey]

The fact that I was born in 1977 and he was born in 1986 suggest that isn't the case (and yes I used Wikipedia to find his birth year). He did, however play 4 more games for the Sabres that Taro Tsujimoto (the Tokyo Katanas legend we drafted many years ago).

4 games, plus playoffs

 

[TheBradyBunch]

How would you guys rank the value of your top 4 guys?

My rough estimation:
1a) Slavin
1b) Hanifin
3) Pesce
4) Faulk

Is Hoffman enough to start a conversation on any of them?

 

[tarheelhockey]

How would you guys rank the value of your top 4 guys?

My rough estimation:
1a) Slavin
1b) Hanifin
3) Pesce
4) Faulk

Is Hoffman enough to start a conversation on any of them?

I’d say more like

1) Slavin - he’s proven himself at this point
2) Hanifin - higher upside but there’s the risk he never breaks out
3) Faulk
4) Pesce


Faulk has his Gardiner-like games, but a guy with his level of offensive production is always going to have a bit more trade value than a pure defensive-d like Pesce.

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

I’d say more like

1) Slavin - he’s proven himself at this point
2) Hanifin - higher upside but there’s the risk he never breaks out
3) Faulk
4) Pesce


Faulk has his Gardiner-like games, but a guy with his level of offensive production is always going to have a bit more trade value than a pure defensive-d like Pesce.

Value wise I agree with @tarheelhockey . That's how I'd rank them as well. In terms of "availability" from least available to most, I'd rank them:

Slavin
Pesce
Hanifin/Faulk
Faulk/Hanifin

Although I could be sold on swapping Hanifin and Faulk around. Pesce, because he performs a role well, has a great contract, is a RHD, is such a good compliment to Slavin and probably has less value isn't likely to be moved.

 

[DaJackal]

Someone made a proposal on the trade board that Canes should trade for Puljujärvi. The proposal itself was horrible, but I like the idea of having him in the team. Canes could roll Pulju - Aho - TT all Finnish line, so Jesse's bad English wouldn't be a problem.

Also, we could then call it the "PuTA-ho" line.

 

[Canes]

I'd be weary of giving up much value for Puljujarvi. Looks like he has a real shot at being Edmonton's next Paajarvi. I remember when Paajarvi was supposed to be one of the next big players too, although admittedly some of the hype died down before he was drafted which is why he fell to 10th overall in the first place which is a bit unlike Pulju. We can't really afford to give up a lot of value in the hope Puljujarvi starts living up to expectations. If he were drafted where Aho was and wasn't Finnish, I doubt many would be so eager to trade for him given his production to date... which is decent for his age but not anything to rave about.

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

I'd be weary of giving up much value for Puljujarvi. Looks like he has a real shot at being Edmonton's next Paajarvi. I remember when Paajarvi was supposed to be one of the next big players too, although admittedly some of the hype died down before he was drafted which is why he fell to 10th overall in the first place which is a bit unlike Pulju. We can't really afford to give up a lot of value in the hope Puljujarvi starts living up to expectations. If he were drafted where Aho was and wasn't Finnish, I doubt many would be so eager to trade for him given his production to date... which is decent for his age but not anything to rave about.

You could be right, but Paajarvi isn't as skilled as Puljujarvi. Paajarvi can skate fast and is big, but he doesn't have a ton of skill nor ability to finish. It was his size and speed that people were drooling over as people expected him to play like Erik Cole where he'd lower his shoulder, skate around a guy and get a lot of breakaway goals.

Puljujarvi is big, has good speed, has good skill and a very good shot, but the concern, according to some Oilers/Finnish fans, is his hockey sense. I haven't seen him enough to know if that is accurate or not, but I have seen him a few times where he seems lost out there, but that could just be that he's young. That is a concern with him though. I agree one needs to be wary taking a chance on him so it all depends what it costs. I think the Canes are in a position where the pipeline is stocked, we have good depth on D, and we have Necas and Svechnikov/Zadina coming in, so we might be able to swing for the fences on this one.

 

[Canes]

You could be right, but Paajarvi isn't as skilled as Puljujarvi. Paajarvi can skate fast and is big, but he doesn't have a ton of skill nor ability to finish. It was his size and speed that people were drooling over as people expected him to play like Erik Cole where he'd lower his shoulder, skate around a guy and get a lot of breakaway goals.

Puljujarvi is big, has good speed, has good skill and a very good shot, but the concern, according to some Oilers/Finnish fans, is his hockey sense. I haven't seen him enough to know if that is accurate or not, but I have seen him a few times where he seems lost out there, but that could just be that he's young. That is a concern with him though. I agree one needs to be wary taking a chance on him so it all depends what it costs. I think the Canes are in a position where the pipeline is stocked, we have good depth on D, and we have Necas and Svechnikov/Zadina coming in, so we might be able to swing for the fences on this one.

Paajarvi was thought to have been really skilled too once before. Maybe not as skilled as Puljujarvi, but still skilled enough to be taken high in the 1st despite having hockey IQ concerns. But yeah, hockey IQ is my main concern with Puljujarvi.

 

[DaveG]

Man, if you guys haven't checked out that Boston 3-way dealio, whelp, nice knowin ya. Pepper your angus.

How would you guys rank the value of your top 4 guys?

My rough estimation:
1a) Slavin
1b) Hanifin
3) Pesce
4) Faulk

Is Hoffman enough to start a conversation on any of them?

With Hanifin it's weird, he probably has the highest value behind Slavin as you indicated, but he also is FAR more likely then Pesce to be moved, but that's mostly because his value is such that it can make the right kind of return happen still and he plays at a side we're loaded on in terms of NHL talent LD: Slavin, Hanifin, Fleury, Bean, Samuelsson, Carrick vs RD: Pesce, Faulk, TVR, McKeown, Martin.

I could definitely see something around Faulk for Hoffman especially if we're moving on from Skinner.

 

[Lempo]

Man, if you guys haven't checked out that Boston 3-way dealio, whelp, nice knowin ya. Pepper your angus.

 

[MinJaBen]

Man, if you guys haven't checked out that Boston 3-way dealio, whelp, nice knowin ya. Pepper your angus.

Read that three times before I realized you were peppering your steak and not your beef gasket.

 

[NotOpie]

I agree one needs to be wary taking a chance on him so it all depends what it costs

And I agree with this....If we don't have to give up too much, then I'd be happy to take a shot....seems like even if he has to spend part of the year in Charlotte, he'd benefit. Velucci seems to get the most from a lot of these guys (Gauthier included if you consider the 2nd 1/2 of the year).

 

[Lempo]

Read that three times before I realized you were peppering your steak and not your beef gasket.

TIL @Beef Invictus means superb ass.