Proposal: The Jets Should go after Karlsson HARD

[Flair Hay]

No way it works without Trouba and more going the other way.

As far as I'm concerned now until 35 may be Karlsson's prime. Not worried about him being over the hill at all. Injuries are more concerning but I'd bet on him bouncing back.

Probably not realistic he'd come here but neat to think about. He was a one man team in the playoffs just last year.

 

[garret9]

One of the best defenders in the NHL.

Will also cost the best because of it.

 

[StatisticsAddict99]

That's a lot would EK for more the team than RNH? Could we get RNH for less?

Is RNH the best player at his position? Is he even Top 30?

 

[Whileee]

One of the best defenders in the NHL.

Will also cost the best because of it.

That's looking behind. Anyone looking to acquire and pay Karlsson has to look ahead. Then the calculations are much less clear.

 

[StatisticsAddict99]

That's looking behind. Anyone looking to acquire and pay Karlsson has to look ahead. Then the calculations are much less clear.

Not really, his team as a whole is much worse than last season, not to mention it wasn’t even good when he basically single handily pushed them to the Conference Finals. You add that to a team with as much talent as we have(like I said 3 Elite Wingers, 1 on the cusp thus far this season in Perrault and a rookie in Connor who will likely end up as an Elite Winger who is also on the cusp of it) and then Scheifele...

 

[Whileee]

Not really, his team as a whole is much worse than last season, not to mention it wasn’t even good when he basically single handily pushed them to the Conference Finals. You add that to a team with as much talent as we have(like I said 3 Elite Wingers, 1 on the cusp thus far this season in Perrault and a rookie in Connor who will likely end up as an Elite Winger who is also on the cusp of it) and then Scheifele...

Karlsson would be great now and in the near term, but won't play up to his next contract, I think. Also, there's a good chance he is now past his peak, though still very good.

 

[Lowered Expectations]

No. One Swede/team is enough!

 

[Farmboy Patty]

Karlsson would be great now and in the near term, but won't play up to his next contract, I think. Also, there's a good chance he is now past his peak, though still very good.

He is far from past his peak. This season is just a bump on his road to the HHOF level of greatness.

 

[Ukkosenjumala]

Is RNH the best player at his position? Is he even Top 30?

RNH has been great this year, he's rediscovered the offensive instincts of his early years coupled with his usual 2-way play.

 

[StatisticsAddict99]

RNH has been great this year, he's rediscovered the offensive instincts of his early years coupled with his usual 2-way play.

Yes but I’m simply saying Karlsson is worth more because he’s the best Defender and one of the best players on the planet while RNH is no where near that rank in his position...

 

[Ukkosenjumala]

Yes but I’m simply saying Karlsson is worth more because he’s the best Defender and one of the best players on the planet while RNH is no where near that rank in his position...

Well obviously. RNH is a Top 30 center imo, that's all. I don't think the guy was implying we'd get them for the same price, the price for Karlsson would be ridicilous and like someone else said, the jets would need to revamp their defense heavily to fit him.

 

[StatisticsAddict99]

Well obviously. RNH is a Top 30 center imo, that's all. I don't think the guy was implying we'd get them for the same price, the price for Karlsson would be ridicilous and like someone else said, the jets would need to revamp their defense heavily to fit him.

Not really, Poolman is already playing minutes and we have Byfuglien and Myers as well so I don’t think moving Trouba(and some other pieces) would really hurt our Defence.

Morrissey Karlsson
Enstrom Byfuglien
Kulikov Poolman

But yes getting a bonafide Superstar would cost extremely but I think we our one of few teams that can afford it.

 

[Ukkosenjumala]

Not really, Poolman is already playing minutes and we have Byfuglien and Myers as well so I don’t think moving Trouba(and some other pieces) would really hurt our Defence.

Morrissey Karlsson
Enstrom Byfuglien
Kulikov Poolman

But yes getting a bonafide Superstar would cost extremely but I think we our one of few teams that can afford it.

But then you need to prepare to pay Karlsson the big bucks or get someone to fill the void of Trouba/Karlsson. Looking at Cap friendly, I'm pretty sure that would include at least letting Enström go when his contract runs out next year, which propably happens anyway and most likely cause problems when Myers, Laine, Wheeler need new contracts as well, unless if Wheeler is part of your trade plan. If you don't keep Karlsson when he goes UFA then you need to fill a void, can Buff do it when he's what, 35 years old? I doubt it.

 

[tbcwpg]

That could be. But we don't need to change our plan
for a Player we don't need in exchange for our future

Right. Which is why I suggested we couldn't get him anyway.

 

[Maukkis]

Acquiring Karlsson would be a painful process from start to finish. Imagine what life would be like without Laine, for starters.

 

[oldcoot]

I wonder what Vancouver would want for Chris Tanev though. He might enjoy winning a cup with his baby brother.

 

[JetsNut]

I'd bet a lot of money that the Jets are one of his 10 NTC teams.

Why would you bet that? Due to the fact that we are showing signs of building a true contender? Or is it the same inferiority complex setting in?

 

[Channelcat]

I wonder what Vancouver would want for Chris Tanev though. He might enjoy winning a cup with his baby brother.

A ton. They would have no interest in moving him.

Why would you bet that? Due to the fact that we are showing signs of building a true contender? Or is it the same inferiority complex setting in?

Its almost certain Wpg is on that list. No inferiority complex required.

 

[scelaton]

I wouldn't go near EK with a 10-foot pole. He is just a slightly better version of Dustin Byfuglien, who will come with a higher cost (my formula for cost=AAV+ risk premium). His new contract would destroy the internal economy of the team and make it impossible to re-sign our other core players (Laine, Wheeler, Trouba, Morrissey) at a price that would keep the team intact.

Besides, having another EK on our team would almost kill me!

 

[surixon]

Why would you bet that? Due to the fact that we are showing signs of building a true contender? Or is it the same inferiority complex setting in?

I'd say it' because it' been widely reported that Winnipeg is on the most NTC and NMC of any team in the league. So making the assumption we'd be on Karalssons isn't that big of a stretch imo.

 

[cbcwpg]

The jets current cap space is: $11,405,153

You get rid of Enstrom and Matthias that adds: $7,875,000
I still think Trouba is walking, so that's another: $2,812,000
Let Hutch go and that adds some more pennies.

That brings the Jets to about $20,000,000 in cap space and the cap is suppose to jump by about $4,000,000 next season.. so $24,000,000 and change available. Would that be enough room to sign Karlsson and still have enough to sign Laine, Conner, and Morrissey???

Not even saying the Jets should do it, just saying they probably could do it if they wanted.

 

[Whileee]

The jets current cap space is: $11,405,153

You get rid of Enstrom and Matthias that adds: $7,875,000
I still think Trouba is walking, so that's another: $2,812,000
Let Hutch go and that adds some more pennies.

That brings the Jets to about $20,000,000 in cap space and the cap is suppose to jump by about $4,000,000 next season.. so $24,000,000 and change available. Would that be enough room to sign Karlsson and still have enough to sign Laine and Conner???

Not even saying the Jets should do it, just saying they probably could do it if they wanted.

Also have to sign Morrissey and Hellebuyck and Lowry and Armia.

Laine --- around $8-9M
Connor --- around $4-5M
Morrissey --- around $4-5M
Lowry --- around $3-4M
Hellebuyck --- around $3-4M

Nope, I don't think you could fit Karlsson's $11M under the cap.

Of course, the Jets might get Connor or Morrissey onto a bridge deal, but I still think the Jets won't be able to afford a huge contract for EK and still keep their young core together.

 

[tbcwpg]

Why would you bet that? Due to the fact that we are showing signs of building a true contender? Or is it the same inferiority complex setting in?

Due to the fact that Winnipeg is top 2 on no trade lists. Especially if he gave his list at training camp and not this week.

 

[Whileee]

He is far from past his peak. This season is just a bump on his road to the HHOF level of greatness.

You think he'll reach the level of play he was at the last 4-5 years? That seems like a risky proposition. I think he could still have several very good seasons, but I would be really reluctant to pay him for how good he was over the past 5 seasons, instead of how good he'll be over the next 5.

Here's an analysis of performance by age for NHL forwards and defense (source: A New Look at Aging Curves for NHL Skaters (part 1)). Karlsson might defy the overall pattern, but it would be a risky gamble, in my view.

 

[Farmboy Patty]

You think he'll reach the level of play he was at the last 4-5 years? That seems like a risky proposition. I think he could still have several very good seasons, but I would be really reluctant to pay him for how good he was over the past 5 seasons, instead of how good he'll be over the next 5.

Here's an analysis of performance by age for NHL forwards and defense (source: A New Look at Aging Curves for NHL Skaters (part 1)). Karlsson might defy the overall pattern, but it would be a risky gamble, in my view.

IMO he was the best player in the play offs last season. Defying patterns is what he does. He is unique in the same way that Crosby or Ovechkin are. I stand by my educated opinion that this season so far is just a bump on the road to continued greatness.