YupppYou do know its healthy for franchise to have a player for his career and retire with that team rather than trading them off prior to pay day. Karlsson playing in another jersey regardless of the return unless its Alexis Lafreniere will always be a ****stain on this teams legacy, just like Alfie playing that season in detroit.
pens still dominated lolDamn no help from Pens. A shame Sharks played them tonight and not later in the season. Crosby would have been back
You do know its healthy for franchise to have a player for his career and retire with that team rather than trading them off prior to pay day. Karlsson playing in another jersey regardless of the return unless its Alexis Lafreniere will always be a ****stain on this teams legacy, just like Alfie playing that season in detroit.
I mean, your question is essentially rehashing the same debate too though.I respect your opinion but that does not answer my question at all. All it does it re-hash the endless debate about why he should not have been traded to begin with, but that is in the past and if you want him back I would like to know what you would give up to get him?
You also cannot have it both ways by claiming the trade is a "****stain" unless it nets us Lafreniere, which it very well could but without the trade you do not get Lafreniere so which is it?
This may have been rhetorical but I wouldn’t take him back. It’s not about the player he is today but what he will inevitably become.I am legitimately interested in knowing, from those who are still disappointed that Karlsson was traded, what would you give up in a trade TODAY if the Sharks called and said "give us your best offer for Karlsson"?
What would it take to get him back, bearing in mind the cap and money going back both ways to make it fair?
This may have been rhetorical but I wouldn’t take him back. It’s not about the player he is today but what he will inevitably become.
If the answer is no, then we should put an end to the whole "Dorion is ruining the team" rhetoric.
The team is about to put up the 3rd (possibly 4th) worst season in the last ~23 years (coming off of arguably the two worst seasons in franchise history). There's a heck of a lot more at play that makes Dorion awful than one single trade.
The word rebuild sums that whole thing up nicely. And doing it a pretty good job tanking in the right year at that.
But we’re STILL struggling to be worse than NJ and Detroit who are right there with us on this ‘historic’ season, along with SJ, and a handful of other teams. We’re in the best situation of all of our fellow tankers.
The rebuild is looking pretty damn good, and the return on all of the trades is looking decent to excellent, but that doesn’t seem to matter to some folks. Haters gonna hater after all.
When the young team starts kicking ass the same folks will still be slamming PD, and saying the success of the rebuild is a fluke at best or happened in spite of PD. Book it.
The team is about to put up the 3rd (possibly 4th) worst season in the last ~23 years (coming off of arguably the two worst seasons in franchise history). There's a heck of a lot more at play that makes Dorion awful than one single trade.
So the players we had were bad? Is Dorion to blame for how the players performed on the ice too?
I am trying to understand how Dorion is to blame for both having a good team that he tore apart and to blame for how the past two seasons turned out?
If the answer is the players sucked, then he is to blame for building a crappy core (I.e, Karlsson, Stone, Duchene etc.) but deserves credit for trading them away and re-building OR the team he built was good enough so he is not to blame for their on ice performance but you can blame him for tearing that core apart.
He cannot be blamed for both however, that is simply being completely unfair and biased against him.
dude didn't even know about karlsson vs HoffmanSo the players we had were bad? Is Dorion to blame for how the players performed on the ice too?
I am trying to understand how Dorion is to blame for both having a good team that he tore apart and to blame for how the past two seasons turned out?
If the answer is the players sucked, then he is to blame for building a crappy core (I.e, Karlsson, Stone, Duchene etc.) but deserves credit for trading them away and re-building OR the team he built was good enough so he is not to blame for their on ice performance but you can blame him for tearing that core apart.
He cannot be blamed for both however, that is simply being completely unfair and biased against him.
I respect your opinion but that does not answer my question at all. All it does it re-hash the endless debate about why he should not have been traded to begin with, but that is in the past and if you want him back I would like to know what you would give up to get him?
You also cannot have it both ways by claiming the trade is a "****stain" unless it nets us Lafreniere, which it very well could but without the trade you do not get Lafreniere so which is it?
dude didn't even know about karlsson vs Hoffman
Pretty clear he was not in tune with what was going on with his own team
I have really enjoyed the last few losses and am fully on board with the tank. I hope we can keep it rolling and slip in to 2nd before its done.
My passion for Sens hockey is returning. Losing in tank seasons as it moves along is actually pretty exciting.
I was all for Karlsson winning a cup, but obviously that isn't happening this year there, so tank away.
2 of the top 5 or 10 in the draft would go a long way to turning things around much quicker than expected.
I'm excited for all the old guard to leave too. They have been soldiers, but I hope we turn the page on Anderson, Pageau, Boro & Ryan and don't see them back after this year. Obviously Ryan won't be traded, but maybe his situation prevents him from returning.
I suppose my point was to establish that there is no way we would give up anything close to what San Jose gave us to get Karlsson last year. Most people think the package we recieved was terrible yet would anyone at this point give back the 4 players and two picks to San Jose in exchange for Karlsson?
If the answer is no, then we should put an end to the whole "Dorion is ruining the team" rhetoric.