Prospect Info: The 2015 NHL Draft Thread VI

[Devils Dominion]

That's an incredibly ridiculous and baseless assumption.

Johansson fits Washingtons system, that's why they drafted him and that's why he excels there. Josefson didn't exactly fit Petes system, which likely hurt his development, and it's why you saw a different player when DeBoers system.

If that's what you want to believe, then go right ahead, but there's absolutely no indication that would ever be the case had the roles been reversed.

Johansson is a much better player, I'm sorry you haven't noticed yet.

But we have JJ and not MJ, so let's hope he continues to improve into a solid 3rd line checking center/PK/SO specialist.

 

[JimEIV]

Yes and no.

If we were to believe that Vanderbeek made personnel decisions ie Kovalchuk, it's not far fetched he would influence on a draft pick.

It's two different worlds, an established NHL player and a draft pick...you can actually produce market research on how many butts Kovalchuk is going to put in seats to justify a decision...but a draft pick you have to rely almost entirely on your scouting staff.

 

[New Jack City]

Some of the Centers taken in the 1st round of that draft

8 Dallas Scott Glennie C Brandon Wheat Kings [WHL] NHL games 1

10 Edmonton Magnus Paajarvi-Svensson L Timra IK [SEL] 228

13 Buffalo Zack Kassian R Peterborough Petes [OHL] 198

15 Anaheim Peter Holland C Guelph Storm [OHL] 130

18 Montreal Louis Leblanc C Omaha Lancers [USHL] 50

20 New Jersey Jacob Josefson C Djurgardens IF Stockholm [SEL] 180

22 Vancouver Jordan Schroeder C U. of Minnesota [WCHA] 81

24 Washington Marcus Johansson C Farjestads BK Karlstad [SEL] 345

Got one of the best 2 out of that group

 

[NJDevs26]

Yes and no.

If we were to believe that Vanderbeek made personnel decisions ie Kovalchuk, it's not far fetched he would influence on a draft pick.

If it was really getting to the point where VBK was influencing draft picks, Lou really would have resigned by now. He definitely wouldn't have stood for that.

And why would VBK have avoided Carlson anyway because of connections? If you think the player's good pick him, regardless...Tom Coughlin drafted his son in law way ahead of where the pundits thought he would be drafted and Chris Snee wound up being a good lineman for a number of years.

 

[Zippy316]

Johansson is a much better player, I'm sorry you haven't noticed yet.

But we have JJ and not MJ, so let's hope he continues to improve into a solid 3rd line checking center/PK/SO specialist.

I'm not going to argue that.

However, you can't possibly say that Johansson would have become a second line player here and Josefson would be the same player he is here in Washington. That's just ridiculous.

There's no saying that in a different organization that they would have become the same player they are now. Let alone injury and whatever else has happened since they were drafted. Teams develop players differently, teams play different systems that suit different players, and so many other variables come into play.

This is why I think it's absolutely ridiculous to compare players drafted around one another. I will admit that sometimes I look and I'll say, "Damn, I wish we had Carlsson instead of Tedenby." However, I'm not going to complain because there are so many different things that happen after the draft that shapes players. There's no saying they would become the player they are now in a different organization.

 

[Devils Dominion]

Got one of the best 2 out of that group

Yep, out of those centers.

Johansson
JJ/Kassian/Holland

PS: O'Reilly was taken 33rd and another Swede forward was taken 39th, Silfverberg

 

[Emperoreddy]

Yep, out of those centers.

Johansson
JJ/Kassian/Holland

PS: O'Reilly was taken 33rd and another Swede forward was taken 39th, Silfverberg

You are using hindsight and cherry picking AGAIN.

Not one single scout at that draft. NOT ONE would of taken O'Reilly or Sifverberg over JJ at the draft. Not one team, not Detroit, not anyone would of done that. Scouts don't have your crystal ball, which is just using hindsight years later.

 

[Devils Dominion]

You are using hindsight and cherry picking AGAIN.

Not one single scout at that draft. NOT ONE would of taken O'Reilly or Sifverberg over JJ at the draft. Not one team, not Detroit, not anyone would of done that. Scouts don't have your crystal ball, which is just using hindsight years later.

That was not my argument, I just listed them simply as a FYI.

But, it's possible that the Avs had ROR over JJ.

I will stand my ground that MJ is a better player than JJ no matter what team or system he ended up going to.

Let's hope he has a great series vs the Rags, eh?

 

[JimEIV]

http://www2.tsn.ca/draftcentre/feature/?id=11043

That big dummy at TSN Bob McKenzie had Josefson 16th overall.......They had Ryan O'Reilly in the 1st round at 27 and that dummy didn't have Johansson in the 1st round


He didn't have Carlson in the 1st round of the Tedenby draft either.

 

[Brodeur]

You are using hindsight and cherry picking AGAIN.

Not one single scout at that draft. NOT ONE would of taken O'Reilly or Sifverberg over JJ at the draft. Not one team, not Detroit, not anyone would of done that. Scouts don't have your crystal ball, which is just using hindsight years later.

To their credit, Colorado did have O'Reilly at #16 on their list. So they might have had him over JJ. Their (recently fired) head scout was humblebragging about it during a video they did during their draft prep a couple years ago. They had Tyson Barrie at #24 which would have been considered lunacy by most. They also had Stefan Elliott at #22, but he hasn't become a fixture.

As great as Colorado's 2009 Draft was, their 2010 Draft was a bit of a disaster. Similarly Boston hit it out of the park in 2006, then struck out on three pitches in 2007. Just shows the variance in how you could be a genius one year but somehow pull a 180 the following year.

 

[MadDevil]

DD, do you by chance post at DR?

 

[Brodeur]

http://www2.tsn.ca/draftcentre/feature/?id=11043

That big dummy at TSN Bob McKenzie had Josefson 16th overall.......They had Ryan O'Reilly in the 1st round at 27 and that dummy didn't have Johansson in the 1st round


He didn't have Carlson in the 1st round of the Tedenby draft either.

Carlson was #22 on his list in 2008. It's too bad TSN didn't archive Bob's full draft list. It used to contain the rankings from other sources (McKeen's, ISS, Central, The Hockey News).

 

[JimEIV]

Carlson was #22 on his list in 2008. It's too bad TSN didn't archive Bob's full draft list. It used to contain the rankings from other sources (McKeen's, ISS, Central, The Hockey News).

I missed it

 

[MadDevil]

Wasn't Tedenby ranked higher than Erik Karlsson his draft year?

 

[GhostofKenKlee]

To their credit, Colorado did have O'Reilly at #16 on their list. So they might have had him over JJ. Their (recently fired) head scout was humblebragging about it during a video they did during their draft prep a couple years ago. They had Tyson Barrie at #24 which would have been considered lunacy by most. They also had Stefan Elliott at #22, but he hasn't become a fixture.

As great as Colorado's 2009 Draft was, their 2010 Draft was a bit of a disaster. Similarly Boston hit it out of the park in 2006, then struck out on three pitches in 2007. Just shows the variance in how you could be a genius one year but somehow pull a 180 the following year.

2006 Chiarelli's first draft and season as GM was possibly one of the best season in terms of results I've ever seen.

 

[Missionhockey]

Wasn't Tedenby ranked higher than Erik Karlsson his draft year?

He was, I remember Karlsson was slated to go towards the end of the first round in most mock drafts.

 

[HBK27]

Wasn't Tedenby ranked higher than Erik Karlsson his draft year?

Yes - I looked up one ranking earlier and Tedenby was the 3rd overall European skater for both the mid & final rankings.

Karlsson was ranked rather low in the mid, but shot up to 4th by the final.

 

[Marshal Rochambeau]

2014: Quenneville
2012: Matteau
2011: Larsson
2009: Josefson
2008: Tedenby
2006: Corrente
2005: Bergfors
2004: Zajac
2003: Parise
2001: Foster
2000: Hale

I think the message here is that the Devils always go for the fallers, aka bpa. Any other insights?

If this is true I think we take Lawson Crouse.

 

[MadDevil]

I'm praying that Carolina goes Provorov or Crouse and Marner falls to us at #6.

But I know they won't because they're Carolina and they enjoy ****ing us.

 

[VoidCreature]

This is getting silly. The difference between us and the Capitals is not Marcus Johansen. We still would have missed the playoff with him on the team.

*edit: looks at his numbers*

Oh. Yeah, that would have helped.

 

[Marshal Rochambeau]

I'm praying that Carolina goes Provorov or Crouse and Marner falls to us at #6.

But I know they won't because they're Carolina and they enjoy ****ing us.

I hope we take Crouse just to see the people on this board call for Lou's retirement as we trade both our seconds and Gelinas for Sharp.

 

[GeNeXt]

Anyone think Marner goes to Toronto? Mark Hunter was hired as their director of personnel, and he's a co-owner of the London Knights. His brother Dale is the other co-owner, and currently the team's head coach. Dubas is also an OHL guy.

Arizona might even take Marner, considering they've already got Domi and Dvorak, a couple of London Knights.

 

[MadDevil]

I hope we take Crouse just to see the people on this board call for Lou's retirement as we trade both our seconds and Gelinas for Sharp.

Crouse or Provorov would be quite an entertaining reaction.

 

[Marshal Rochambeau]

Anyone think Marner goes to Toronto? Mark Hunter was hired as their director of personnel, and he's a co-owner of the London Knights. His brother Dale is the other co-owner, and currently the team's head coach. Dubas is also an OHL guy.

Arizona might even take Marner, considering they've already got Domi and Dvorak, a couple of London Knights.

Yes most people assume that Strome, Marner, and Hanifin will be gone by our turn.

 

[Volchenkovs Face]

I hope we take Crouse just to see the people on this board call for Lou's retirement as we trade both our seconds and Gelinas for Sharp.

I'd rather we take Provorov and listen to the calls for Lou's head than take Crouse. Then sign Oduya.

Similarly to the NFL draft, no way people trade up or down no matter how much sense people think it would make. I think Provorov is BPA over Barzal and Zacha.