PensPlz
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I wish Pens could afford Hall.
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Maatta, Pouliot, Rust, 1st for Hall.
Sherro loves his D men.
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Maatta, Pouliot, Rust, 1st for Hall.
Sherro loves his D men.
KidLine93
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this. No idea why some oiler fans go after Hall. He was the only piece on this team that cared about winning and performed like a star, never threw any of his teammates under the bus in his stint in edmonton (which he should have) considering bums like horcoff and Ference thought they were slick taking jabs at the young players in their interviews.
Halls a beast
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As an Oiler fan I go after Hall because of his reputation off the ice in Edmonton.
To me the type of person you are when the cameras are off matters as much as what you do when the cameras are on. He was and continues to be a great left winger. I don't miss him though.
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The moment he got traded more stories of his off ice attitude came out. If he was getting 100pts it would not have been a problem.
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I don't recall Horcoff saying anything. Ference never named names, but we all knew who he was referencing and we all knew it was justified considering other guys like Belanger and Scrivens alluded to the issue(s) as well - that there was division in the room (clique groups), that guys were more worried about plans after practice than practice itself, that veterans weren't shown the usual respect they receive in a normal locker room. Hall was the face of the franchise prior to McDavid showing up, and that was the identity of "his" team.
Say what you will about Ference's on ice play (completely underwhelming), but the guy is a straight shooter and very active in off ice initiatives/charities. If Hall had his intangibles and off-ice persona, he might still be an Oiler.
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because usually veterans lead by example, not play like hot garbage for multiple seasons then in the post game interview state " yeah were a young team who makes mistakes, but the young guys are coming around and will learn evebtually" when it was obvious to anyone watching that Horcoff, Ference and Smyth (still a legend but you need to know when to quit) were total liabilities every night yet they (Ference usually, sometimes Horcoff) would pass off the failure onto the young kids who actually performed pretty well
KidLine93
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I assume you didn't want Mark Messier on the team for those cups in the 80's then?
because it's well known he was a huge jerk and cancer off the ice but was a damn good player on it.
I wish Pens could afford Hall.
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Would give up a lot for him. Maatta+Sprong+1st
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DisgruntledGoat*
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Are trying to set a record for most uninformed posts on one page or what?
Literally everything you've said has been ass backwards.
PensPlz
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Would easily send Maatta, Sprong, and 1st.
Though would leave the Kids with Sid and play Hall with Geno.
Sheary - Crosby - Guentzel
Hall - Malkin - Kessel
Hagelin - ? - Rust
Wilson - ? - Kuhnhackl
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See.... THIS... this is the attitude that kept those kids from winning.
CERTAINLY guys like Horcoff, Ference and Smyth were getting too old and too slow to make a difference. Younger faster men were beating them out of the corner and generating offense.
BUT WHAT THE KIDS DIDN'T GET was that they WERE still leading by example. It wasn't Horcoff or Ference losing the puck at the opposite blue line because they were too proud to chip it in. It wasn't them cheating for offense at our blue line or curling into the neutral zone hoping for a miracle pass that only a handful of guys in the league can make consistently. That was our KIDS.
The problem in our room is that our vets were physically too past their prime to command credibility from younger, talented and immature kids. But that doesn't mean they didn't deserve it or have something to teach (I mean Ference, Horcoff and Smyth were VERY respected players not because of their physical attributes, but because of their competitiveness, leadership and coach-ability).
On REAL teams, players are respected for the mental effort and commitment they put in. It is much easier to forgive your teammate (and bail them out) for a physical error (like he was too slow and got beat in a race) than for a mental one (like he knows he's too slow and he put himself in an idiotically vulnerable position before getting beat by a guy he knows is faster than him).
Our Oiler children didn't understand this rule until this year... now they chip it in at the blue line rather than attempt a 10% success-rate play that they still think is 70% successful for them (arrogance of youth).
SpeakingOfTheDevils
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I'm sure you would
Literally zero chance in hell Hall gets moved, but if he did, it'd be a lateral one-for-one similar to the deal that brought him to Jersey last June.
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Wouldn't touch him with a 10 foot pole. We have 3 rookies who are going to outpoint him this season.
7 Straight years without sniffing playoffs, and Edmonton makes it the year of the trade.
That's not a fluke
7 Straight years without sniffing playoffs, and Edmonton makes it the year of the trade.
That's not a fluke
If he went to a top team like the Pens , Washington or Chicago and their play dropped off you would have a point . In Edmonton we had crap D what was he suppose to do ? Play D too ? NJD was a playoff bubble team in the east and trade one of their top D on top of that their goalie isn't playing lights out like he did last year . I guess all that is Hall,s fault ?
LOL at me defending him . I was happy with the trade I wanted him traded for a few years . Not because he is a bad player just he had the value to bring back the D we needed . On top of that a winger is the easiest thing to replace .
Yeah we are fine with out him . But is is not his fault we were bad while he was here . Last off season Chia add Lucic, Larsson , Russell , Caggiula and then McDavid has played ever games so far same as Klefbom . Nurse has taken a step forward . Cam Talbot has been much better this year . So we added size , D and 3 young players stayed healthy and took steps forward and this is because Hall isn't here ?
Best look at my postings for a few years I was calling for him to be traded . Not because of Hall,s play . But we needed a change and he had the most value
New Jersey should trade him for futures ASAP. They aren't winning with him as their best player, and they aren't accquiring a better player with him on the team.
It sucks, but NJ needs a full rebuild to be successful. Probably Schneider too
It sucks, but NJ needs a full rebuild to be successful. Probably Schneider too
Yeah dont need a run down on players Chia brought in, and their development. And I certainly don't need to go back looking at your posts. I too have called for his trade for years. Yes because of his value. But more for his attitude,on ice issues, off ice crap.
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