Value of: Tavares to Toronto

[Trapper]

Dammit, now he's definitely going to Toronto.

Can't argue with hard evidence.
Still don't see how the Leafs will be able to afford Tavares along with Price,Bishop,Burns,etc.

Oh well, guess the next lockout will fix it.

 

[MessierII]

Same as Stamkos...wait?

Couple key differences. First being Tbay is a legit cup threat. Isles are a fringe playoff team at best. Unless they do some serious work this next year Tavares has no reason to stay. They've managed to downgrade his wingers and supporting cast this year so they need to have a good offseason next year.

Second factor is where Toronto was this offseason is different than where they will be two off seasons from now. They should get another top 5 pick this year then look to make strides the following year. If all this lines up there's a good chance Toronto could land him.

One thing I guarantee is there will be another year long talk about it starting next summer.

 

[Redline]

Surprised this thread is going on and hasn't been locked... I did this thread a couple weeks ago and had articles and rumored tweets attached and it got closed!

That was the one with the tweet from senile Al Strachan right?
Hard to believe they're still running with it.

 

[CodeE]

Couple key differences. First being Tbay is a legit cup threat. Isles are a fringe playoff team at best. Unless they do some serious work this next year Tavares has no reason to stay. They've managed to downgrade his wingers and supporting cast this year so they need to have a good offseason next year.

Second factor is where Toronto was this offseason is different than where they will be two off seasons from now. They should get another top 5 pick this year then look to make strides the following year. If all this lines up there's a good chance Toronto could land him.

One thing I guarantee is there will be another year long talk about it starting next summer.

Ahhh, the classic "I say your team is going to suck in the future, that's my argument" post. Doesn't matter that Okposo & Nielsen were replaced by Ladd & Parenteau in the first place. Also doesn't matter that Barzal, Dal Colle, Ho-Sang, possibly Beauvillier - all 1st round picks - will be trying to make the Isles within the next two years.

Nope, the only way forward is absolutely everything going wrong for the Islanders, coupled by Tavares being so disgusted at how bad everything has gotten in your fantasy that he decides to simply tear up every contract Snow places in front of him. Just like during the Hamonic threads, where the only way forward was to trade Hamonic before he either quit hockey or refused to show up until we traded him to Western Canada.

Clearly, a young, well-rounded hockey team gaining playoff experience who just made the elite 8 is going to regress steeply. Because that is the vision the lord of light grants you when you gaze into the flames.

 

[Skinnyjimmy08]

That was the one with the tweet from senile Al Strachan right?
Hard to believe they're still running with it.

Ya it was... all different rumor sites post his tweets and there were a bunch of articles written by TO press so i figured it was worthy of a thread but it got closed. Unsure why

 

[McSuper]

These threads go to hell in a hurry . 1st a TML fan never started it . On the other hand comments like Matthews being the best American player gives fan of other team reason to question it . Matthews is not even the best prospect taken in the last few years .

1) McDavid
2) Eichel
3) Matthews/Laine

There is also the comment of Matthews being better/Having more potential then Eichel . This just isn't true . They are close . Here a quote from hockey futures .

" Many NHL scouts believe that if Auston Matthews was eligible for the 2015 NHL Draft, he might have given Jack Eichel a run for his money as the No. 2 choice ".


The key point is might . It does not say Matthews is better like some TML have said .

Also for those who say he close to McDavid think again . McDavid is rated 10 B .

10. Generational Talent – a player for the ages, one who can do things with a puck that no other player would even contemplate doing. Very, very few players will be deserving of this rating, probably one per decade.

Defense: Bobby Orr
Forward: Wayne Gretzky
Goaltender: Patrick Roy

Eichel is listed 9 B .


9. Elite Talent – possesses the potential for greatness, a perennial All-Star throughout his career.

Defense: Drew Doughty, Duncan Keith, P.K. Subban
Forward: Jamie Benn, Evgeni Malkin, Patrick Kane
Goaltender: Carey Price, Jonathan Quick, Henrik Lundqvist

Can not find a rating for Matthew yet but it should be just below Eichel's

 

[Gavy]

^^Stopped reading when you put Laine on the same level as Matthews but Matthews is below Eichel...

I'm lying. I read it all

 

[93LEAFS]

These threads go to hell in a hurry . 1st a TML fan never started it . On the other hand comments like Matthews being the best American player gives fan of other team reason to question it . Matthews is not even the best prospect taken in the last few years .

1) McDavid
2) Eichel
3) Matthews/Laine

There is also the comment of Matthews being better/Having more potential then Eichel . This just isn't true . They are close . Here a quote from hockey futures .

" Many NHL scouts believe that if Auston Matthews was eligible for the 2015 NHL Draft, he might have given Jack Eichel a run for his money as the No. 2 choice ".


The key point is might . It does not say Matthews is better like some TML have said .

Also for those who say he close to McDavid think again . McDavid is rated 10 B .

10. Generational Talent – a player for the ages, one who can do things with a puck that no other player would even contemplate doing. Very, very few players will be deserving of this rating, probably one per decade.

Defense: Bobby Orr
Forward: Wayne Gretzky
Goaltender: Patrick Roy

Eichel is listed 9 B .


9. Elite Talent – possesses the potential for greatness, a perennial All-Star throughout his career.

Defense: Drew Doughty, Duncan Keith, P.K. Subban
Forward: Jamie Benn, Evgeni Malkin, Patrick Kane
Goaltender: Carey Price, Jonathan Quick, Henrik Lundqvist

Can not find a rating for Matthew yet but it should be just below Eichel's

Did you seriously just use Hockey Futures prospect grades in a debate? They are notoriously bad.

 

[Hictor Vedman*]

Couple key differences. First being Tbay is a legit cup threat. Isles are a fringe playoff team at best. Unless they do some serious work this next year Tavares has no reason to stay. They've managed to downgrade his wingers and supporting cast this year so they need to have a good offseason next year.

Second factor is where Toronto was this offseason is different than where they will be two off seasons from now. They should get another top 5 pick this year then look to make strides the following year. If all this lines up there's a good chance Toronto could land him.

One thing I guarantee is there will be another year long talk about it starting next summer.

Every single person had Stamkos leaving that legit cup threat for teams like Toronta, Buffalo and Detroit. Only one of them is a playoff contender, and Tampa has whooped them in back to back years. The other two are young rebuild teams. So... Not really even sure what to say.

 

[Gavy]

Tavares didn't have to take a team friendly deal but he did.

To say he has no reason to stay is ridiculous.
Maybe he likes it there? Maybe he's comfortable playing in that city? Likes his teammates or the franchise in general?

 

[jacks*]

we'll sign him in 2018 as a ufa

Same way you were gonna sign Stamkos.
I'd imagine It would take more than the Leafs would be willing to give.

 

[Gavy]

Same way you were gonna sign Stamkos.

The same post has been made time and time again.

You know most of the people who are saying g that are baiting you guys, right?

 

[eternalbedhead]

Couple key differences. First being Tbay is a legit cup threat. Isles are a fringe playoff team at best. Unless they do some serious work this next year Tavares has no reason to stay. They've managed to downgrade his wingers and supporting cast this year so they need to have a good offseason next year.

Second factor is where Toronto was this offseason is different than where they will be two off seasons from now. They should get another top 5 pick this year then look to make strides the following year. If all this lines up there's a good chance Toronto could land him.

One thing I guarantee is there will be another year long talk about it starting next summer.

The first fallacy here is assuming that Tavares only cares about hopping bandwagons until he finally lands a Cup-contender like I know we all probably have done at one point or another in the NHL video games.



Stamkos stayed put in Tampa and I think Tavares is a more team-first player than Stamkos is, based on what Tavares has said and done vs. what was going in with the Stamkos situation a couple months ago. I don't think he has the audacity to ditch the Islanders like that, even if they aren't a Cup contender in 2 years.


The second fallacy here is apparently mistaking the Islanders for their neighbors over at MSG. The Islanders are not a Cup contender now, but to say that their future is grim is inaccurate. Their core is still young and they still have a solid prospect pool.

 

[RMimagery]

Couple key differences. First being Tbay is a legit cup threat. Isles are a fringe playoff team at best. Unless they do some serious work this next year Tavares has no reason to stay. They've managed to downgrade his wingers and supporting cast this year so they need to have a good offseason next year.

Second factor is where Toronto was this offseason is different than where they will be two off seasons from now. They should get another top 5 pick this year then look to make strides the following year. If all this lines up there's a good chance Toronto could land him.

One thing I guarantee is there will be another year long talk about it starting next summer.

Two consecutive 100 point seasons say differently lol.

 

[AINEC*]

"More than you can afford, pal. Tavares." - Garth Snow

 

[strictlyrandy]

So Tavares is going to leave a team that only needs a couple pieces that is currently making the playoffs in exchange for one that might. Neat.

Saying that Tavares has no reason to stay an Islander is just silly. He might have lots of reasons. Nobody but Tavares knows, don't speak in absolutes on what Tavares is thinking when you don't know a damn thing he's thinking IMO.

 

[Hictor Vedman*]

The same post has been made time and time again.

You know most of the people who are saying g that are baiting you guys, right?

You know you guys get baited when people reference your failure to lure Stamkos, your hometown hero, your savior, and Canadian boy extraordinaire.

You're right though. Tons of people keep being insensitive, saying the same stupid joke over and over. It's definitely not like Toronto fanboys are asking for it by literally calling for Tavares to Toronto less than a month after they lost out on their original big fish.

What's that? You didn't wanna sign him? Well, ****. Apparently the major of Toronto should have consoled with you before he went to meet with Stamkos. They could have saved so much time and embarrassment had they heeded your advice, Mr. Gavy.

 

[Hictor Vedman*]

You know you guys get baited when people reference your failure to lure Stamkos, your hometown hero, your savior, and Canadian boy extraordinaire.

You're right though. Tons of people keep being insensitive, saying the same stupid joke over and over. It's definitely not like Toronto fanboys are asking for it by literally calling for Tavares to Toronto less than a month after they lost out on their original big fish.

What's that? You didn't wanna sign him? Well, ****. Apparently the major of Toronto should have consoled with you before he went to meet with Stamkos. They could have saved so much time and embarrassment had they heeded your advice, Mr. Gavy.

Mayor. Kys Tampa ****boi

 

[MessierII]

Two consecutive 100 point seasons say differently lol.

The islanders barely made the playoffs this year. It came down to the last 10 games.

 

[CodeE]

The islanders barely made the playoffs this year. It came down to the last 10 games.

At 100 points, we finished four points out of 2nd place in the conference (#2 Pittsburgh finished with 104). We finished 7 points ahead of Boston, (93 points) and that's including the game everyone knows we tanked so we wouldn't have to face Pittsburgh in the opening round. As an Islander fan, at no point during those last 10 games did I for a second fear missing the playoffs.

I think you need to go back to making up stories about how terrible the Islanders are going to be next season because arguing in reality doesn't appear to be your strong suit.

 

[Soon2B25]

These threads go to hell in a hurry . 1st a TML fan never started it . On the other hand comments like Matthews being the best American player gives fan of other team reason to question it . Matthews is not even the best prospect taken in the last few years .

1) McDavid
2) Eichel
3) Matthews/Laine

There is also the comment of Matthews being better/Having more potential then Eichel . This just isn't true . They are close . Here a quote from hockey futures .

" Many NHL scouts believe that if Auston Matthews was eligible for the 2015 NHL Draft, he might have given Jack Eichel a run for his money as the No. 2 choice ".


The key point is might . It does not say Matthews is better like some TML have said .

Also for those who say he close to McDavid think again . McDavid is rated 10 B .

10. Generational Talent – a player for the ages, one who can do things with a puck that no other player would even contemplate doing. Very, very few players will be deserving of this rating, probably one per decade.

Defense: Bobby Orr
Forward: Wayne Gretzky
Goaltender: Patrick Roy

Eichel is listed 9 B .


9. Elite Talent – possesses the potential for greatness, a perennial All-Star throughout his career.

Defense: Drew Doughty, Duncan Keith, P.K. Subban
Forward: Jamie Benn, Evgeni Malkin, Patrick Kane
Goaltender: Carey Price, Jonathan Quick, Henrik Lundqvist

Can not find a rating for Matthew yet but it should be just below Eichel's

Agree 100%
The hype train steamrolled a lot of the discourse from hockey people.
A family friend is a former Isles and Pens amateur scout.
He is adamant that Eichel would have been his choice over Matthews every day pf the week.
McDavid is the only generational talent of the recent drafts.
Calling Matthews generational does the kid no favours and is flat-out wrong

 

[Palmer2Fitz]

What would they want now?
Matthews

What they will get now?
Nylander
Rielly

Bozak traded for 4th defenseman.

James van Riemsdyk - John Tavares - Mitch Marner
Leo Komarov - Nazem Kadri - Nikita Soshnikov
Colin Greening - Auston Matthews - Connor Brown
Matt Martin - Brooks Laich - Zach Hyman

Jake Gardiner - Martin Marincin
XXXX - Nikita Zaitsev
Matt Hunwick - Roman Polak
Connor Carrick

Frederik Andersen

Totonto has a very unique fan base that's for sure

 

[EscapeGoat]

He'll sign with Toronto as an FA. Wouldn't give up a dime for him in a trade.

 

[Palmer2Fitz]

He'll sign with Toronto as an FA. Wouldn't give up a dime for him in a trade.

How are you gonna afford him when you already are getting Stamkos and Vesey?

 

[Leafs87]

Why is this starting again?