GDT: Tankhawks @ Tankyotes 8:00PM CT NSCH - Tank Extravaganza

[Fortyfives]

Q doesn't give a ****. Why should he? With the **** that little bowman has given him can u blame him?

Well it’s actually the kids that are playing well. The core is dog shit. Outside of Seabrook I don’t know how much of that can be placed on Bowman.

 

[Fortyfives]

I mean every high priced contract on this team is having a down year, yes even Kane.

 

[Pez68]

When that happens, I'm not sure how in the hell you can blame the GM...

 

[BK]

When that happens, I'm not sure how in the hell you can blame the GM...

Not when the young talent he brought in is producing.

 

[HeisenBaez]

First: This is a lost season, so there is no reason to fire Q right now. When the off-season, I want to read something a long the lines of "The Blackhawks and Joel Quenneville have mutally agree to part ways." It saves Bowman from having to "fire" a 3x stanley cup winning coach, and it saves Q from actually being fired. This team has turned Q out, and when that happens, you MUST move on.

Second: I know it probably won't happen but I would move the young kids like Cat, up to the first two lines and the "veterans" like Toews down to the third line. Basically give the younger guys more ice time while cutting the ice times of the older guys. If the older guys become embarrassed about being demoted to lower lines, then maybe it will light a fire in their butts.

Status quo is no longer wanted by the Hawks and changes are needed.

 

[Game suspension]

I mean every high priced contract on this team is having a down year, yes even Kane.

The thing about Kane is they can't replace Panarin. They were made to play with each other. Why they would f*** with one of the best lines in hockey is beyond me. So the hawks trade Panarin for Saad and then put Schmaltz on his line. Well Schmaltz has never scored 20 goals going back to his junior years. Great skater but that is a ridiculous replacement

 

[Pez68]

First: This is a lost season, so there is no reason to fire Q right now. When the off-season, I want to read something a long the lines of "The Blackhawks and Joel Quenneville have mutally agree to part ways." It saves Bowman from having to "fire" a 3x stanley cup winning coach, and it saves Q from actually being fired. This team has turned Q out, and when that happens, you MUST move on.

Second: I know it probably won't happen but I would move the young kids like Cat, up to the first two lines and the "veterans" like Toews down to the third line. Basically give the younger guys more ice time while cutting the ice times of the older guys. If the older guys become embarrassed about being demoted to lower lines, then maybe it will light a fire in their butts.

Status quo is no longer wanted by the Hawks and changes are needed.

Yep. I'm on board with this.

 

[BK]

The thing about Kane is they can't replace Panarin. They were made to play with each other. Why they would **** with one of the best lines in hockey is beyond me. So the hawks trade Panarin for Saad and then put Schmaltz on his line. Well Schmaltz has never scored 20 goals. Great skater but that is a ridiculous replacement

They did replace Panarin, with Schmaltz. Panarin and Schmaltz are producing at the same rate. Add Debrincat to that and his production is not missed. At least look at the numbers...

 

[Toews2Bickell]

I think Bowman deserves to get his chance to bring in Colliton, but then his clock is ticking immediately. There is something to be said for all his offseason moves not working out. They haven't used the LTIR money. Its a roster with a lot of flaws. He REALLY needs to rebuild that blueline, and the fact that they can't develop a defenseman internally is starting to show. It took a long time because he came into a roster with 3 very good ones, but now is when his track record is showing. They haven't drafted a defenseman to play meaningful games/minutes since Hammer I'm pretty sure. That's just not acceptable.

He hit on trades though, so there is that (Leddy and Oduya, great trades). But, which one is more sustainable over time. Drafting and developing or finding ways to exploit other teams via trade? I guess a mix of both is ideally the route to go.

 

[b1e9a8r5s]

First: This is a lost season, so there is no reason to fire Q right now. When the off-season, I want to read something a long the lines of "The Blackhawks and Joel Quenneville have mutally agree to part ways." It saves Bowman from having to "fire" a 3x stanley cup winning coach, and it saves Q from actually being fired. This team has turned Q out, and when that happens, you MUST move on.

Second: I know it probably won't happen but I would move the young kids like Cat, up to the first two lines and the "veterans" like Toews down to the third line. Basically give the younger guys more ice time while cutting the ice times of the older guys. If the older guys become embarrassed about being demoted to lower lines, then maybe it will light a fire in their butts.

Status quo is no longer wanted by the Hawks and changes are needed.

Toews, his poor season and all, is still one of the top 2 centers on the team. So I don't understand putting him on the 3rd line. Like it or not Toews will be needed going forward, so what good does embarrassing him for the sake of embarrassing him do? Again, he's certainly a top 2 center on the team.

 

[Toews2Bickell]

Lines to finish out the year because f*** it

DeBrincat-Schmaltz-Kane - deploy it like the party line, not hard
Saad-Toews-Hino - it worked
Hartman-Anisimov-Duclair - speed, skill, decent 3rd line
Jurco-Kampf-Hayden - idk, whatever line, maybe call up Sikura's brother and give him minutes if want to convince Dylan to sign

Waive Bouma and Wingels. Call up Berube. Roll with Glass/Forsberg/Berube to continue the tank.

 

[Game suspension]

They did replace Panarin, with Schmaltz. Panarin and Schmaltz are producing at the same rate. Add Debrincat to that and his production is not missed. At least look at the numbers...

They did replace Panarin, with Schmaltz. Panarin and Schmaltz are producing at the same rate. Add Debrincat to that and his production is not missed. At least look at the numbers...

His numbers in Columbus do not take into account he is not playing with Kane. Most of the CBJ forwards are having horrible years. He is the leading scorer despite the fact he plays with slugs. All comes down to chemistry and Kane and him had off the charts chemistry. One of the best lines in hockey over the previous two years. So his production is missed. Big time.

Schmaltz just isn't the same offensive threat. Kinda obvious.

 

[Blackhawks]

I say scratch Toews and Seabrook for a few games for shits and giggles, who's with me, this team is pathetic anyway, I am sure they will do better with out the old geezers breathing down their necks

 

[BK]

His numbers in Columbus do not take into account he is not playing with Kane. Most of the CBJ forwards are having horrible years. He is the leading scorer despite the fact he plays with slugs. All comes down to chemistry and Kane and him had off the charts chemistry. One of the best lines in hockey over the previous two years. So his production is missed. Big time.

Schmaltz just isn't the same offensive threat. Kinda obvious.

As of now, there is a .1 ppg difference between Schmaltz and AP of last season. Debrincat makes up the gap as a rookie with Saad having a shit year. AP is 100% a better goal scorer but how he scores is similar to how he scored here (one trick pony). Schmaltz creates more but needs to shoot more. Long term Schmaltz’s ceiling is higher (not by a huge margin).

 

[b1e9a8r5s]

His numbers in Columbus do not take into account he is not playing with Kane. Most of the CBJ forwards are having horrible years. He is the leading scorer despite the fact he plays with slugs. All comes down to chemistry and Kane and him had off the charts chemistry. One of the best lines in hockey over the previous two years. So his production is missed. Big time.

Schmaltz just isn't the same offensive threat. Kinda obvious.

Most if the cbj forwards are having horrible years and the Hawks forwards....?

 

[Rolo]

Panarin is doing excellent in Columbus.

Wish we had him, Schmaltz and Debrincat right now.

 

[Sol]

I don't want to ask on Nationals since i know people hate on teams with recent success, so I'll ask the fans directly.

1. Was there an injury that caused Seabrook to fall off the map? And if not, was it sudden or was there signs?

2. What's going on with Keith? He doesn't seem to be trying from what I saw, he has a good shot but whats with the goals?

Parting note as a Kings fan.. You can't fire the coach/gm when it gets to this point. Lombardi and Sutter both had to go for the Kings to come back.

 

[Game suspension]

As of now, there is a .1 ppg difference between Schmaltz and AP of last season. Debrincat makes up the gap as a rookie with Saad having a **** year. AP is 100% a better goal scorer but how he scores is similar to how he scored here (one trick pony). Schmaltz creates more but needs to shoot more. Long term Schmaltz’s ceiling is higher (not by a huge margin).

That is one massively optimistic post. I am new here but I am always amazed at positive posters on a night where the hawks just got smoked by the worst team in the league. All the power to you BK.

Schmaltz ain't ever doing what Panarin did. Bet your right arm on it. And no. His ceiling is not higher. Look at his history. I am not kidding about the fact he has never scored 20 goals. He is a great skater and relative to the other prospects he is probably a keeper. But that bar is not very high.

 

[ModryJazyk]

Panarin nor McDavid alone would not saved this team, so Hawks need to focus on the drafts and the future after those stupid NMC contracts expire.Until then, no chance to really improve it with 40-50M of obstructed cap space.

 

[CallMeShaft]

I don't want to ask on Nationals since i know people hate on teams with recent success, so I'll ask the fans directly.

1. Was there an injury that caused Seabrook to fall off the map? And if not, was it sudden or was there signs?

2. What's going on with Keith? He doesn't seem to be trying from what I saw, he has a good shot but whats with the goals?

Parting note as a Kings fan.. You can't fire the coach/gm when it gets to this point. Lombardi and Sutter both had to go for the Kings to come back.

Seabrook had signs of a decline already in 14-15, but he came back big as our only RHD who we could depend on during that cup run, and tricked this organization into signing a huge contract for him.

Every season since has been a more noticeable decline, especially speed wise. The last two years he at least had his shot and stretch pass still, but both those aspects in his game have started to vanish.

Keith never had a good shot, outside the 15 cup run when he played like he was possessed. We've joked for years here how his shot is always "high and wide", but it's become a bit worse this season.

He still has a good gap and a good stick defensively, but he's not generating much on the back-end and Q stupidly puts Oesterle, who is a third pairing guy at best defensively, with him instead of a more steady shutdown presence like Murphy. So that pair does little while playing a lot. We did have a shutdown pair of Forsling-Rutta earlier in the season which helped give Keith easier minutes, but Rutta got injured and couldn't quite regain his form, and Forsling (whose super young at only 21), became inconsistent after Rutta got injured and he got different partners.

 

[ThatSaid]

I don't want to ask on Nationals since i know people hate on teams with recent success, so I'll ask the fans directly.

1. Was there an injury that caused Seabrook to fall off the map? And if not, was it sudden or was there signs?

2. What's going on with Keith? He doesn't seem to be trying from what I saw, he has a good shot but whats with the goals?

Parting note as a Kings fan.. You can't fire the coach/gm when it gets to this point. Lombardi and Sutter both had to go for the Kings to come back.

1. Yes, there were signs. No, it wasn't a particular injury or anything like that. I don't think many expected him to barely be a 3rd pairing D-man at this point, but some certainly did. Frankly, when he signed the contract I thought it was about 2 million AAV too much, but it's turned out to be much worse than that. You'll find very few fans who thought that contract was good value when it was signed. Take into account the term on the deal, and we were all kicking and screaming when he signed it.

2. Keith has been carrying defensive dead weight for the entire season. He's checked out these last 10 games, but his decline seems to be slow and steady rather than off a cliff. Still a very good #1 D man if he's put with the right guy, and his contract will be one of the things that keeps the team's window open if we make the correct changes. I think a lot of it is frustration. He's got the third most shots on the team at 133 and still hasn't scored his first goal. Defensively, he's still the best D-man on the team. Would benefit a lot from playing his time with Murphy, but Q insists on putting a 3rd pairing guy (Oesterle) who's a LHS and not very good in his own zone. He'll bounce back next year.

 

[b1e9a8r5s]

Seabs has been headed this way the past few years.

Keith isn't the Norris winning defenseman he once was but he's still a #1 saddled with a 3rd pairing defenseman playing his off side. Keith's never had a great shot and averaged 7-8 goals a season. Keith's still a 1st pair defenseman with a reasonable cap hit

 

[BK]

That is one massively optimistic post. I am new here but I am always amazed at positive posters on a night where the hawks just got smoked by the worst team in the league. All the power to you BK.

Schmaltz ain't ever doing what Panarin did. Bet your right arm on it. And no. His ceiling is not higher. Look at his history. I am not kidding about the fact he has never scored 20 goals. He is a great skater and relative to the other prospects he is probably a keeper. But that bar is not very high.

He is 21 and in his second full season so o course be has not scored 20. He should this season. He will have more assists and less goals but his ceiling is higher because he is already a better defensive player than AP and it is not even close. Schmaltz is. 200 ft player and AP is not and most likely never will be. He will score 30+ a year with consistency but Schmaltz will end up scoring 20-25 a year with more playmaking and defense. Never claimed Schmaltz would be a better AP than AP but I do think he has a higher ceiling as a hockey player as I think AP is done developing for the most part and knowing Schmaltz’s history as a player.

I could care less what happened tonight as the team is clearly done. I hate losing as a fan but long term it will help with a better pick. I separate the two (by default with my personality type).

 

[Toews2Bickell]

Schmaltz has a higher ceiling than Panarin. No reason Schmaltz isn’t a 65-70+ pt center that plays a dominant 200 ft game by age 25. That’s more valuable than a 70 pt pp specialist. Sky is the limit for Schmaltz. Staying healthy is key. Can see many glimpses now of how dominant he can be in future.

I’ll probably get flamed for this but I enjoy watching Schmaltz play the 200ft game like I did Hossa. Thats his defensive upside imo.

 

[Blackhawks]

This team should have had BOTH Panarin and Shmaltz, if they had both then this team might not be sucking so much right now. Where this Shmaltz replacing Panarin crap came from I really dont understand. This team is missing two top 6 players and Panarin would have filled one of those spots...