Come on...what about '71? Lafleur, Robinson, Wilson? Lafleur and Robinson were among greatest to ever play the game.
perhaps you missed the part where I was asking the poster a question? Usually when you see a question mark at the end of a sentence it means you are asking someone something. I was trying to understand what the poster was saying since he said '08 and that clearly wasn't a good draft class. In no way shape or form did I say it was the best draft year for the Habs.
Its not just our management... its the league wide opinion too.
Tinordi is ranked 58th by the league wide panel... McCarron doesn't crack the top 75.
Thats saying that outside sources also feel the same way as our own management and that is that Tinordi is a better prospect than McCarron right now.
Who in management and who is the league wide panel? I don't read the mag so I don't know who you are talking about. Having watching a lot of Tinordi I am very concerned over his lack of progress for a 3rd year pro, he's really struggled with his consistency in Hamilton and in the NHL he just hasn't looked very good at all.
I have McCarron over Tinordi but hopefully McCarron doesn't struggle as much as Tinordi has as a pro since they have followed a very similar career path so far.
I don't have him at 1 or 2.
He's less than a PPG player.... 22 points in 26 games since he's no longer been on Oshawa with one of Domi/Marner on his wings.
A 19 year old, in his last junior season, should be putting up over a PPG if he's gonna be a top 6 forward, and yes he did in London, but he isn't in Oshawa. At this point he's looking more and more like the beginning of the year was an anomaly due to wingers Domi mostly, but when Domi went to the WJC Marner moved up. (I think its teling cause he didn't produce at that rate when he was in the USNTDP, he didn't produce at that rate his first OHL season, and he's not producing at that rate in Oshawa).
Does that mean he's a bust? No.
But it does give me serious question as to whether he will be a checking line forward in the NHL or whether he can be a top 6 guy.
I can't put him ahead of a guy like Scherbak who has top 6 talent written all over him.
I can't put him ahead of De la Rose who is further ahead as a defensive forward and playing great in the NHL at the same age.
I can't put him ahead of Tinordi either.
Right now, I'd have Hudon ahead... you can't ignore that he's scoring as a rookie in the AHL and has a two way game.
So that puts McCarron 5th... and to really move up, i need to see him produce in Hamilton next year.
I differ from the organization as I have Hudon in the top 5 and Fucale outside the top 5 though.... (Lehkonen 6, Fucale 7, Pateryn 8, Andrighetto 9, Carr 10, Condon 11, Reway 12, Gregoire 13, Bozon 14, Lernout 15 for me)
I think people put too much into stats, i'm not worried about the numbers McCarron puts up as I hope he brings something to the Habs that they sorely need that won't always show up on the scoresheet but will fill a big void. I don't care if he's a top 6 forward or a bottom six, as long as he helps the Habs win and improve the team while being a solid NHLer.
To me Scherbak is hands down the #1 and it's not close. He's got natural skills to go with solid physical abilities.
DLR I like a lot but his lack of offense in the AHL and NHL even at a young age is concerning. I would have him around 3 or 4th in my rankings if I did one this year. His defensive game is so impressive and he was drafted with the NHL size/skating/speed that you want to see but if he doesn't score more in the future then it's going to be Eller all over again. That said I don't have any problem with someone ranking him higher since you know what you are getting and if can add a decent amount of offense then he's going to be an elite 3rd liner in the future.
With Tinordi I have never been a big fan as I felt he was overrated by many, I see him as a solid bottom pairing D that excels on the PK and shot blocking but never saw the mean streak that many seem to think he has. He's got to learn how to handle the puck better and his read/react needs to be much better. So for me I would have him further down the list.
Hudon I am so impressed with, still concerned about his lack of size/strength and while he's been injury free this year it's still something to keep in mind but I would have him in my top 5 for sure, and could see why someone would rank him higher then me. I would put him around 3rd or 4th either in front of DLR or right behind him.
Lehkonen I would drop down in my rankings since I've seen a lot of him and he really disappointed for much of the season. The skill is there for sure, the effort is there for sure but his lack of size/strength is a major concern to me and has been. Guess we'll see what a couple years in the SHL does for him.
Fucale is a tough one as I don't know where I would rank him inside the top 10, disappointed in his numbers since the trade for sure but the kid knows how to win at least.
Pateryn I don't know if he would make my top 10, wasn't impressed with what I saw in Hamilton but thought he did better then I expected he would in his NHL call up. I'd have to think hard about it as maybe he would make it at 10, his skating/foot speed has always concerned me. But he does most things well, nothing great, that could translate into a solid bottom pairing type as he has the size, will take the body, has a heavy shot and he works hard/smart.
Ghetto I've been very impressed with is AHL play, liked some of his NHL play, still not sold on what his future is in the NHL as he'll need to get stronger and show he can play better in his own end but really like his slap shot and he plays with a lot of energy. A top 10 prospect for us.
Carr I haven't seen on his hot streak but wasn't impressed with him early in the season, never noticed him in the NCAA. Not in my top 10 but looking forward to seeing what he does next year.
What an outstanding season from Condon, and what a find by management, still can't get over they found this guy. A top 10 prospect for sure since he's the top goalie in the AHL as a rookie and that's damn impressive.
I got to admit, I really have fun watching Reway, no clue what his NHL future holds but he can be a real treat to watch. For me I am a sucker for the entertaining guys like him as he just makes things happen out there so I would have him in my top 10 for sure even though I hate his defensive game and effort at times. Would likely rank him over Ghetto and Lehkonen but after Hudon in terms of the mini me's.
Gregoire impressed me a lot with his high energy and effort. He gets his nose dirty and gets involved in the play just wish he had Bournival's wheels and he'd be a top 10 prospect for me. But I still would have him just outside my top 10 as you do.
Bozon is another tough one as he needs to badly add strength but has a nice shot, would likely drop him down a little for now to see how he handles the AHL next year.
Lernout I haven't gotten to see so I don't know what to make of him yet. I've spoken to some WHL followers that I trust their opinion and they think he needs to work on his skating. Interested to see where he plays next year, and if it's in the AHL I am looking forward to seeing how he does. Not sure where I would rank him.
One guy I'm really high on is Nygren, although I would have to drop him down in my rankings since he missed so much time and it's very concerning that he's still having trouble with the concussion. That really sucks cause had he not been injured he likely would have been my top rated d prospect for the Habs and likely a top 5 prospect overall. I think we could really use his big shot on the PP but now I assume his development is pushed back a year and that's assuming he's ok by the off-season.
then he goes on to burn us in the 08 playoffs. just painful.
What a waste...
