Taking a look back at over 30 years worth of Habs prospect top 10 lists

[varsaku]

I already got the Online version of Hockey New's Futures Watch and it had

Grade: B
Rank: 14/30

1. Jacob De La Rose(overall 27)
2. Nikita Scherbak(overall 29)
3. Zach Fucale(overall 32)
4. Jarred tinordi(overall58)
5. Michael McCarron
6. Martin Reway
7. Sven Andrighetto
8. Charles Hudon
9. Michael Condon
10. Artturi Lehkonen

 

[Scintillating10]

I believe it will be out next week.

How many years they been putting future watch issue out?

 

[Habsfan18]

How many years they been putting future watch issue out?

First "Future Watch" was 1992. But they had a similar issue called "In The System" for a few years before that.

 

[Monctonscout]

The guy is 23 and has not made a big progress since first being called up. Even Greg Pateryn is ahead in the depth chart now. If he doesn't improve dramatically he won't be in the NHL.

He's playing his 22 year old season. Way too early to write off a d-man. Pateryn is turning 25 before next year so he SHOULD be more polished, but Tinordi is bigger, tougher, more mobile and more skilled...will take a couple more years to be polished. Start him as #6 next year and Pateryn at 7.

Scouts that follow the AHL have told me he's made consistant progress the last 3 years, he's a dominant player with his style down there. In order to apply it to the NHL level, he needs to play there long term over more than 4-5 games and play with a puck mover.

How many years they been putting future watch issue out?

20+ years.

 

[L4br3cqu3]

He's playing his 22 year old season. Way too early to write off a d-man. Pateryn is turning 25 before next year so he SHOULD be more polished, but Tinordi is bigger, tougher, more mobile and more skilled...will take a couple more years to be polished. Start him as #6 next year and Pateryn at 7.

Scouts that follow the AHL have told me he's made consistant progress the last 3 years, he's a dominant player with his style down there. In order to apply it to the NHL level, he needs to play there long term over more than 4-5 games and play with a puck mover.


20+ years.

Tinordi's ceiling is higher than Pateryn, but, not sure he's more 'skilled' though. Pateryn's not the best puck handler, far from it, but, at least he can make plays with it, Tinordi seems to panic everytime he got the puck, and his first pass is, so far, mediocre at best. I know he's a defensive defenseman, but, at least, Pateryn is producing at the AHL level, Tinordi ain't.

Now, he's turning 23, and Pateryn 25, 2 years can make a lot of difference. I just wonder if Tinordi will be able to improve his decision making, NHL seems too fast for him right now.

Hope they'll continue being patient with him, but, if they can get something good for him (late 1st in 2015 or a good forward prospect), I wouldn't mind either. He's not as untouchable as he once was.

I'm still wondering why McCarron is lower though, he's having a pretty good season, and getting better every year...

 

[Scintillating10]

I'm still wondering why McCarron is lower though, he's having a pretty good season, and getting better every year...

They can't be as high on McCarron as we are. He as predominately ranked #1 here, but #5 in future watch. The rankings come from Montreal's front office.

 

[Habsfan18]

They can't be as high on McCarron as we are. He as predominately ranked #1 here, but #5 in future watch. The rankings come from Montreal's front office.

Well, it's someone from the organization yes. But we don't know who. Could be the list of one of our amateur scouts. Doesn't mean it's the official group opinion of the entire management staff.

 

[Bourdon101]

Well, it's someone from the organization yes. But we don't know who. Could be the list of one of our amateur scouts. Doesn't mean it's the official group opinion of the entire management staff.

Given Mccarron's placement it probably isnt Grant Mcagg

 

[montreal]

They can't be as high on McCarron as we are. He as predominately ranked #1 here, but #5 in future watch. The rankings come from Montreal's front office.

I don't read the mag and never have so I don't know if they are getting their rankings from someone inside the Habs or not. But I was reading this thread on past THN future watch lists,

http://hfboards.mandatory.com/showthread.php?t=651684&highlight=thn+future+watch


As someone that has been ranking Hab prospects for HF and other sites over the last 12+ years, I can attest to how difficult it is to have a good ranking and how much of a waste these rankings end up being as in the end they are more or less just for fun.

 

[Ezpz]

They can't be as high on McCarron as we are. He as predominately ranked #1 here, but #5 in future watch. The rankings come from Montreal's front office.

I don't think McCarron has ever been ranked #1 on here. He didn't even make the top 5 at the start of the year.

 

[Monctonscout]

Tinordi's ceiling is higher than Pateryn, but, not sure he's more 'skilled' though. Pateryn's not the best puck handler, far from it, but, at least he can make plays with it, Tinordi seems to panic everytime he got the puck, and his first pass is, so far, mediocre at best. I know he's a defensive defenseman, but, at least, Pateryn is producing at the AHL level, Tinordi ain't.

Now, he's turning 23, and Pateryn 25, 2 years can make a lot of difference. I just wonder if Tinordi will be able to improve his decision making, NHL seems too fast for him right now.

Hope they'll continue being patient with him, but, if they can get something good for him (late 1st in 2015 or a good forward prospect), I wouldn't mind either. He's not as untouchable as he once was.

I'm still wondering why McCarron is lower though, he's having a pretty good season, and getting better every year...

The only time Tinordi panics a bit if behind the goal line under forecheck. When he's skating up ice he makes nice tape to tape passes up.

His decision making is fine, he didn't make any dumb plays the 5 games he was here and was not on the ice for any goals against, he just needs to adjust to a more up tempo game.

 

[Scintillating10]

Well, it's someone from the organization yes. But we don't know who. Could be the list of one of our amateur scouts. Doesn't mean it's the official group opinion of the entire management staff.

Last year they said it came from Lapointe, don't know how they ranked them this year

I don't think McCarron has ever been ranked #1 on here. He didn't even make the top 5 at the start of the year.

Most every poster has McCarron either 1 or 2. Read first page of this thread

 

[Habsfan18]

OP updated.

 

[Brainiac]

Good work there.

And guys, please. Before posting projected rosters full of prospects, have a look at these lists. More than half our prospects won't have an NHL career. It's been like this forever, for every team in the league. That's just how it is.

 

[Steve Shutt]

Got to love that 2008 group - wow!

1.Carey Price
2.Ryan McDonagh
3.Max Pacioretty
4.PK Subban
5.David Fischer
6.Alexei Yemelin
7.Yannick Weber
8.Ben Maxwell
9.Ryan White
10.Mikhail Grabosvki

 

[SquiddFX]

Got to love that 2008 group - wow!

1.Carey Price
2.Ryan McDonagh
3.Max Pacioretty
4.PK Subban
5.David Fischer
6.Alexei Yemelin
7.Yannick Weber
8.Ben Maxwell
9.Ryan White
10.Mikhail Grabosvki

8/10 are currently in the NHL. Says a lot about the scouting staff.

 

[CanadianODST]

8/10 are currently in the NHL. Says a lot about the scouting staff.

David Fischer puts up 14 points and gets drafted by us first round, how does this happen?

 

[Genesis76]

David Fischer puts up 14 points and gets drafted by us first round, how does this happen?

Overpaid Gomez for Higgins and a bag of pucks

 

[Habs]

David Fischer puts up 14 points and gets drafted by us first round, how does this happen?

Timmins obviously drinks a lot in the first round, sobers up in the second and beyond.

 

[CanadienShark]

2008... wow.

Price
McDonagh
Pacioretty
Subban

That's one ****ing INSANE group for top 4 prospects in the organization.

 

[mariemarie]

Round 1 NHL Totals
Round Num. Drafted By Player Pos Drafted From GP G A Pts PIM Last Season
1 1 Pittsburgh Marc-Andre Fleury G Cape Breton Screaming Eagles [QMJHL] 582 0 13 13 48 2014-15
1 2 Carolina Eric Staal C Peterborough Petes [OHL] 827 307 419 726 638 2014-15
1 3 Florida Nathan Horton R Oshawa Generals [OHL] 626 202 218 420 567 2013-14
1 4 Columbus Nikolai Zherdev R CSKA Moscow [Russia] 421 115 146 261 225 2010-11
1 5 Buffalo Thomas Vanek R U. of Minnesota [WCHA] 727 290 305 595 433 2014-15
1 6 San Jose Milan Michalek L Ceske Budejovice HC [Czech] 689 198 224 422 370 2014-15
1 7 Nashville Ryan Suter D U.S. Junior National Team [Intl] 733 52 292 344 488 2014-15
1 8 Atlanta Braydon Coburn D Portland Winter Hawks [WHL] 617 37 130 167 513 2014-15
1 9 Calgary Dion Phaneuf D Red Deer Rebels [WHL] 734 117 279 396 1038 2014-15
1 10 Montreal Andrei Kostitsyn R CSKA Moscow [Russia] 398 103 119 222 181 2011-12
1 11 Philadelphia Jeff Carter C Sault Ste. Marie Greyhounds [OHL] 701 277 233 510 390 2014-15
1 12 NY Rangers Hugh Jessiman R Dartmouth College [ECAC] 2 0 0 0 5 2010-11
1 13 Los Angeles Dustin Brown R Guelph Storm [OHL] 785 206 234 440 540 2014-15
1 14 Chicago Brent Seabrook D Lethbridge Hurricanes [WHL] 746 71 245 316 516 2014-15
1 15 NY Islanders Robert Nilsson C Leksands IF [SEL] 252 37 81 118 90 2009-10
1 16 San Jose Steve Bernier R Moncton Wildcats [QMJHL] 591 98 113 211 269 2014-15
1 17 New Jersey Zach Parise L U. of North Dakota [WCHA] 675 267 287 554 258 2014-15
1 18 Washington Eric Fehr R Brandon Wheat Kings [WHL] 442 88 85 173 148 2014-15
1 19 Anaheim Ryan Getzlaf C Calgary Hitmen [WHL] 697 203 466 669 616 2014-15
1 20 Minnesota Brent Burns R Brampton Battalion [OHL] 699 113 224 337 474 2014-15
1 21 Boston Mark Stuart D Colorado College [WCHA] 552 22 62 84 617 2014-15
1 22 Edmonton Marc-Antoine Pouliot C Rimouski Oceanic [QMJHL] 192 21 36 57 76 2011-12
1 23 Vancouver Ryan Kesler C Ohio State University [CCHA] 722 199 235 434 658 2014-15
1 24 Philadelphia Mike Richards C Kitchener Rangers [OHL] 704 179 302 481 577 2014-15
1 25 Florida Anthony Stewart R Kingston Frontenacs [OHL] 262 27 44 71 123 2011-12
1 26 Los Angeles Brian Boyle C St. Sebastian's [Mass. H.S.] 458 66 55 121 361 2014-15
1 27 Los Angeles Jeff Tambellini R U. of Michigan [CCHA] 242 27 36 63 88 2010-11
1 28 Anaheim Corey Perry R London Knights [OHL] 707 291 302 593 856 2014-15
1 29 Ottawa Patrick Eaves R Boston College [H-East] 476 81 79 160 155 2014-15
1 30 St. Louis Shawn Belle D Tri-City Americans [WHL]

 

[BenchBrawl]

Round 1 NHL Totals
Round Num. Drafted By Player Pos Drafted From GP G A Pts PIM Last Season
1 1 Pittsburgh Marc-Andre Fleury G Cape Breton Screaming Eagles [QMJHL] 582 0 13 13 48 2014-15
1 2 Carolina Eric Staal C Peterborough Petes [OHL] 827 307 419 726 638 2014-15
1 3 Florida Nathan Horton R Oshawa Generals [OHL] 626 202 218 420 567 2013-14
1 4 Columbus Nikolai Zherdev R CSKA Moscow [Russia] 421 115 146 261 225 2010-11
1 5 Buffalo Thomas Vanek R U. of Minnesota [WCHA] 727 290 305 595 433 2014-15
1 6 San Jose Milan Michalek L Ceske Budejovice HC [Czech] 689 198 224 422 370 2014-15
1 7 Nashville Ryan Suter D U.S. Junior National Team [Intl] 733 52 292 344 488 2014-15
1 8 Atlanta Braydon Coburn D Portland Winter Hawks [WHL] 617 37 130 167 513 2014-15
1 9 Calgary Dion Phaneuf D Red Deer Rebels [WHL] 734 117 279 396 1038 2014-15
1 10 Montreal Andrei Kostitsyn R CSKA Moscow [Russia] 398 103 119 222 181 2011-12
1 11 Philadelphia Jeff Carter C Sault Ste. Marie Greyhounds [OHL] 701 277 233 510 390 2014-15
1 12 NY Rangers Hugh Jessiman R Dartmouth College [ECAC] 2 0 0 0 5 2010-11
1 13 Los Angeles Dustin Brown R Guelph Storm [OHL] 785 206 234 440 540 2014-15
1 14 Chicago Brent Seabrook D Lethbridge Hurricanes [WHL] 746 71 245 316 516 2014-15
1 15 NY Islanders Robert Nilsson C Leksands IF [SEL] 252 37 81 118 90 2009-10
1 16 San Jose Steve Bernier R Moncton Wildcats [QMJHL] 591 98 113 211 269 2014-15
1 17 New Jersey Zach Parise L U. of North Dakota [WCHA] 675 267 287 554 258 2014-15
1 18 Washington Eric Fehr R Brandon Wheat Kings [WHL] 442 88 85 173 148 2014-15
1 19 Anaheim Ryan Getzlaf C Calgary Hitmen [WHL] 697 203 466 669 616 2014-15
1 20 Minnesota Brent Burns R Brampton Battalion [OHL] 699 113 224 337 474 2014-15
1 21 Boston Mark Stuart D Colorado College [WCHA] 552 22 62 84 617 2014-15
1 22 Edmonton Marc-Antoine Pouliot C Rimouski Oceanic [QMJHL] 192 21 36 57 76 2011-12
1 23 Vancouver Ryan Kesler C Ohio State University [CCHA] 722 199 235 434 658 2014-15
1 24 Philadelphia Mike Richards C Kitchener Rangers [OHL] 704 179 302 481 577 2014-15
1 25 Florida Anthony Stewart R Kingston Frontenacs [OHL] 262 27 44 71 123 2011-12
1 26 Los Angeles Brian Boyle C St. Sebastian's [Mass. H.S.] 458 66 55 121 361 2014-15
1 27 Los Angeles Jeff Tambellini R U. of Michigan [CCHA] 242 27 36 63 88 2010-11
1 28 Anaheim Corey Perry R London Knights [OHL] 707 291 302 593 856 2014-15
1 29 Ottawa Patrick Eaves R Boston College [H-East] 476 81 79 160 155 2014-15
1 30 St. Louis Shawn Belle D Tri-City Americans [WHL]

This draft is very well known to have been special and an outlier in the amount of quality players thate came out of the first round.The truth is Andrei Kostitsyn had a huge amount of talent, and he did play in the NHL (on a 1st line of a 1st team in conference team).He's not a bust by a long shot, it's just that almost every players from that list turned out great.Kostitsyn could've been great honestly.

Anyway now that it's been so many years since the 2003 draft it's not hard to see Anaheim won this massively.They basically drafted two franchise players and their future right there.Philadelphia was the competition but they blew it and Los Angeles inherited both Carter and Richards + Brown, but in the end neither of them were the true top guys from LA.

 

[BenchBrawl]

Wow the names change but EVERYTHING else stays the same. Is Subban our next Markov? By the time Subban hits his stride Markov will retire and then he will be our only decent dman on the team.

Hehehe, not exactly, but probably close enough.

 

[Scintillating10]

Round 1 NHL Totals
Round Num. Drafted By Player Pos Drafted From GP G A Pts PIM Last Season
1 1 Pittsburgh Marc-Andre Fleury G Cape Breton Screaming Eagles [QMJHL] 582 0 13 13 48 2014-15
1 2 Carolina Eric Staal C Peterborough Petes [OHL] 827 307 419 726 638 2014-15
1 3 Florida Nathan Horton R Oshawa Generals [OHL] 626 202 218 420 567 2013-14
1 4 Columbus Nikolai Zherdev R CSKA Moscow [Russia] 421 115 146 261 225 2010-11
1 5 Buffalo Thomas Vanek R U. of Minnesota [WCHA] 727 290 305 595 433 2014-15
1 6 San Jose Milan Michalek L Ceske Budejovice HC [Czech] 689 198 224 422 370 2014-15
1 7 Nashville Ryan Suter D U.S. Junior National Team [Intl] 733 52 292 344 488 2014-15
1 8 Atlanta Braydon Coburn D Portland Winter Hawks [WHL] 617 37 130 167 513 2014-15
1 9 Calgary Dion Phaneuf D Red Deer Rebels [WHL] 734 117 279 396 1038 2014-15
1 10 Montreal Andrei Kostitsyn R CSKA Moscow [Russia] 398 103 119 222 181 2011-12
1 11 Philadelphia Jeff Carter C Sault Ste. Marie Greyhounds [OHL] 701 277 233 510 390 2014-15
1 12 NY Rangers Hugh Jessiman R Dartmouth College [ECAC] 2 0 0 0 5 2010-11
1 13 Los Angeles Dustin Brown R Guelph Storm [OHL] 785 206 234 440 540 2014-15
1 14 Chicago Brent Seabrook D Lethbridge Hurricanes [WHL] 746 71 245 316 516 2014-15
1 15 NY Islanders Robert Nilsson C Leksands IF [SEL] 252 37 81 118 90 2009-10
1 16 San Jose Steve Bernier R Moncton Wildcats [QMJHL] 591 98 113 211 269 2014-15
1 17 New Jersey Zach Parise L U. of North Dakota [WCHA] 675 267 287 554 258 2014-15
1 18 Washington Eric Fehr R Brandon Wheat Kings [WHL] 442 88 85 173 148 2014-15
1 19 Anaheim Ryan Getzlaf C Calgary Hitmen [WHL] 697 203 466 669 616 2014-15
1 20 Minnesota Brent Burns R Brampton Battalion [OHL] 699 113 224 337 474 2014-15
1 21 Boston Mark Stuart D Colorado College [WCHA] 552 22 62 84 617 2014-15
1 22 Edmonton Marc-Antoine Pouliot C Rimouski Oceanic [QMJHL] 192 21 36 57 76 2011-12
1 23 Vancouver Ryan Kesler C Ohio State University [CCHA] 722 199 235 434 658 2014-15
1 24 Philadelphia Mike Richards C Kitchener Rangers [OHL] 704 179 302 481 577 2014-15
1 25 Florida Anthony Stewart R Kingston Frontenacs [OHL] 262 27 44 71 123 2011-12
1 26 Los Angeles Brian Boyle C St. Sebastian's [Mass. H.S.] 458 66 55 121 361 2014-15
1 27 Los Angeles Jeff Tambellini R U. of Michigan [CCHA] 242 27 36 63 88 2010-11
1 28 Anaheim Corey Perry R London Knights [OHL] 707 291 302 593 856 2014-15
1 29 Ottawa Patrick Eaves R Boston College [H-East] 476 81 79 160 155 2014-15
1 30 St. Louis Shawn Belle D Tri-City Americans [WHL]

Kostitsyn was a major mistake considering the talent all around 10th. Parise, Corey Perry, Getzlaf, Carter.

Pouilot textbook reason why you don't draft players who are playing with a superstar. Crosby made him in junior

 

[Redux91]

Kostitsyn was a major mistake considering the talent all around 10th. Parise, Corey Perry, Getzlaf, Carter.

Pouilot textbook reason why you don't draft players who are playing with a superstar. Crosby made him in junior

http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/leagues/seasons/teams/0010282003.html
where's crosby ?

as AMAZING as it is to see all those substantial names on that 2003 draft list, i mean really, my god, 80% of them are STILL SUPERstars in the NHL, what a draft

but the funniest part is seeing who DID go first overall lmao.