NFL GDT: Super Bowl LVIII: (AFC) Kansas City Chiefs vs. (NFC) San Francisco 49ers

[John Price]

Don't understand how anyone doesn't favor KC here. Best player in the league and defending champion. Mahomes simply won't let his team lose.

Because they played 2 games against weakened defenses with many people hurt. And this KC team also lost to the likes of the Broncos and the Raiders late.

That said Mahomes' analytics against the spread are wild

 

[jcs0218]

I think it is pretty stupid that so many in the media are suggesting that Mahomes will possibly pass Brady in the GOAT discussion if he wins this game.

Brady will still have the edge in Super Bowl wins 7-3, including one Super Bowl in which he directly defeated Mahomes head-to-head. And it wasn't just a defeat. It was a 31-9 blowout for Brady's Buccaneers in which the Chiefs were favoured going into the game. Brady won Super Bowl MVP in that game, having a 125.8 passer rating to Mahomes 52.3 passer rating

And not only will Brady still have a 7-3 Super Bowl edge, but Brady also has the career numbers and the longevity.

Mahomes will still be behind Joe Montana even if he wins this Super Bowl, let alone still being behind Brady.

 

[Voight]

 

[Voight]

With Taylor Swift being rammed down everyone's throat so much, if the Chiefs win it will almost feel like the NFL fixed or rigged the outcome.

So that all the bandwagon Chiefs fans (who only became fans because of Taylor Swift) get to have their fairy-tale ending.

It didn't help that before the game, Rapport was tweeting on how it's possible for Swift to attend the Super Bowl. As if she would go if the Ravens won.

I think it is pretty stupid that so many in the media are suggesting that Mahomes will possibly pass Brady in the GOAT discussion if he wins this game.

Brady will still have the edge in Super Bowl wins 7-3, including one Super Bowl in which he directly defeated Mahomes head-to-head. And it wasn't just a defeat. It was a 31-9 blowout for Brady's Buccaneers in which the Chiefs were favoured going into the game. Brady won Super Bowl MVP in that game, having a 125.8 passer rating to Mahomes 52.3 passer rating

And not only will Brady still have a 7-3 Super Bowl edge, but Brady also has the career numbers and the longevity.

Mahomes will still be behind Joe Montana even if he wins this Super Bowl, let alone still being behind Brady.

Brady also beat Mahomes in the AFC championship game.

Both of these things happened in his 40s, v s Mahomes being in his 20s.

 

[Babe Ruth]

I think it is pretty stupid that so many in the media are suggesting that Mahomes will possibly pass Brady in the GOAT discussion if he wins this game.

It is very dumb.. but we exist in a 24 hour sports news cycle. Media is always in need of (stupid) talking points and debates.
(GOAT) case for Mahomes seems to be his two rings (& sidearm passing), but he's not close to the 7 championships of Brady and Otto Graham.. and I think Bradshaw and Montana both have 4.. so to me, his championships are not a compelling GOAT case yet. And in a team sport, it's probably not the fairest measurement of individual greatness anyways.

Personally, I think it's become hard to compare modern QBs with players of the past. It's easier to accumulate yards & TDs in a 17 game season, versus 14 game seasons of the past.. interference rules are much friendlier to passers/receivers now than in the past. Passing in a dome is easier than Tarkenton, outdoors in Minnesota' December.
I enjoy the 'greatest' lists, but I think media & fans can only reasonably evaluate the greatest of a generation, not really 'all-time'? I do think Mahomes (& Josh Allen) are the best young QBs since Brady retired, but..

 

[hatterson]

Hot take: Mahomes is pretty good.



Also Chiefs D rounded into form really well:

 

[Halladay]

The way I see it if KCs receivers continue to catch the ball like they have these playoffs they are going to win. Spags will do just enough against Flatbrim. Andy will get guys open, up to them to catch the ball. This Chiefs defense is very good and have carried them all year.

 

[StreetHawk]

The way I see it if KCs receivers continue to catch the ball like they have these playoffs they are going to win. Spags will do just enough against Flatbrim. Andy will get guys open, up to them to catch the ball. This Chiefs defense is very good and have carried them all year.

Game decided:
1) Who wins the trenches
2) Who runs the ball
3) Who can make a big play. Will the Chiefs WR make their catches? Will SF playmakers turn a short pass into a big gainer? Which QB can buy that extra time to make a big throw.
4) Who makes fewer mistakes. Purdy put the ball into bad spots vs GB. Better vs Det. KC secondary very good, so can't afford to be off. Will KC WR catch the ball and not drop key passes?

Amazing that Reid has had Spags for these 4 SB runs. Benefit of Spags being a 2 time former HC and thus isn't considered an up and comer anymore. Been able to ride that great coaching from the Defense so that he doesn't have to worry about it. SF has had Saleh, Ryans get poached over that same time frame.

 

[BackToTheBrierePatch]

Mahomes doesn’t need to have a huge night for the Chiefs to win. Run the ball, play great defense and pop a big pass play every now and then. SF is very good and it should be a great game but I just don’t see KC losing this game if they take care of the football.
I also don’t see SF coming from 2 scores down to win this game. KC has the ability to go on long clock killing drives

 

[Donnie740]

Amazing that Reid has had Spags for these 4 SB runs. Benefit of Spags being a 2 time former HC and thus isn't considered an up and comer anymore. Been able to ride that great coaching from the Defense so that he doesn't have to worry about it. SF has had Saleh, Ryans get poached over that same time frame.

Also worth noting that Spagnuolo will turn 65yrs old this year.

But you make a good point about teams constantly going after young coordinators that have had a modicum of success - - regardless of how little they had to do with it.

Like Denver’s disastrous idea to hire Nate Hackett. You knew this was an obvious failure if you’d watched Buffalo when Hackett was the OC there. But because he was Aaron Rodgers coffee fetch in Green Bay the Broncos were fooled into thinking Hackett could run a competent offence. Even though Rodgers was the one running the offence and calling his own plays.

Much like the comically inept Adam Gase was the token OC in Denver when Peyton Manning was running the offence and calling the plays. But the Jets were dumb enough to hire Gase as HC.

Now apparently Washington is looking to hire Aaron Glenn to be their HC. Seriously? This would be addition by subtraction for Detroit if they do.

 

[StreetHawk]

Also worth noting that Spagnuolo will turn 65yrs old this year.

But you make a good point about teams constantly going after young coordinators that have had a modicum of success - - regardless of how little they had to do with it.

Everything seems so fast these days. Teams wanted to interview Ben Johnson last season after 1 year as OC. Same with Houston's Swolvik after 1 season. Canales gets the CAR job after 1 season as OC in TB. No longer 3-4 years now. 2 years or less seems like too little to be prepared to run your own program. Dealing with the other side of the ball plus special teams and filling out the staff.

Must feel good for Reid to have DCs like Jim Johnson in Phi and Spags in KC that aren't going anywhere, thus allowing you to focus on your side of the ball.

 

[Karterthadon]

That's another big advantage of the Chiefs (and 49ers and Rams) their HC runs the offence so they don't have to worry about the OC leaving and nuking the program (See the Eagles)

 

[Breakers]

Kadarious Toney is a complete idiot

they did you a favor saying you were injured dummy

do you want them to come out just say "this dude franking sucks, and is a healthy scratch"

 

[StreetHawk]

That's another big advantage of the Chiefs (and 49ers and Rams) their HC runs the offence so they din't have to worry about the OC leaving and nuking the program (See the Eagles)

not a short list of HC who calls plays. Stefanski, LaFleur, Taylor, Smith, and others do/did as well. Sirianni did in year 1 before passing it off to Steichen.

Jim Harbaugh won't call plays. Leaves it to the OC. More the old school, run the team style.

For Defensive HC, not like there's a plethora of veteran OCs around. Maybe Reich, Schotty, that type. Way more veteran DCs these days.

 

[GKJ]

Gase was actually personally recommended by Peyton. Which makes it….more funny?

 

[EpochLink]

The Chiefs defence has carried them this season when the offence has been ass.
The offence has been 'just good enough' to win.

 

[Petey But Really Jim]

Hot take: Mahomes is pretty good.



Also Chiefs D rounded into form really well:

Jordan Love.

 

[Donnie740]

Everything seems so fast these days. Teams wanted to interview Ben Johnson last season after 1 year as OC. Same with Houston's Swolvik after 1 season. Canales gets the CAR job after 1 season as OC in TB. No longer 3-4 years now. 2 years or less seems like too little to be prepared to run your own program. Dealing with the other side of the ball plus special teams and filling out the staff.

Must feel good for Reid to have DCs like Jim Johnson in Phi and Spags in KC that aren't going anywhere, thus allowing you to focus on your side of the ball.

I agree that lot of the young new HCs are nowhere close to being ready. Specifically, in terms of managing the game and dealing with people.

Even two of the more successful young hires - - Mike McDaniel and Sirianni are absolutely brutal in both regards. But the talent on the field is usually enough to overcome their incompetence.

Credit to Ben Johnson for recognizing that he’s not ready and deciding to return as Detroit OC.

I was really impressed with what Slowivk did in developing the rookie Stroud this year. But I was even more impressed by his game plan in the wild card game. Jim Schwartz is one of the better DCs in the league and Slowick did a pretty good job of carving him up. Especially considering he was dealing with a rookie QB making his post season debut which is usually results in disaster.

Personally speaking, I’d go with a proven college coach before I’d ever consider most of these new hires.

 

[Karterthadon]

How come nobody can tackle that dude?

 

[Donnie740]

Kadarious Toney is a complete idiot

they did you a favor saying you were injured dummy

do you want them to come out just say "this dude franking sucks, and is a healthy scratch"

Kadarius Toney is absolute TRASH. Completely worthless as a football player.

And he’s been that way ever since he came into the league. As a Giants fan I was apoplectic when they wasted a 1st round on this clown.

I actually took the time to call into Movin’ the Chains after the draft to rip the pick. It’s by far the best football talk show on radio, but one downfall of it is how Kirwin is always trying to defend GMs and coaches. Especially his buddies - - like the incompetent slob Dave Gettleman.

Kirwin tried his best to justify the pick, I remember him saying that Urb Meyer and Jacksonville were interested in Toney - - as if that’s any kind of endorsement. But as I explained at the time:

#1 - - Toney was just a gadget receiver in college so you had to know he wasn’t going to be anything more than a gadget receiver at the pro level.

#2 - - a rebuilding team as the Giants were, and still are, needs playmakers not cute little specialists.

#3 - - Toney was not focused on football at all and seemed like he was more concerned with his rap career than being a football player.

This was evident when he showed up without any shoes to the first day of training camp. And it continues even now with his dumb mental mistakes and dropped passes.

The success rate of 1st round picks in the NFL is less than 50%. Identifying Toney as an immediate bust was one of the easier calls from that draft.

 

[The Note]

How come nobody can tackle that dude?

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This guy is tormenting the league running off nothing but coors and smoked brisket.

 

[Mr Fahrenheit]

This guy is tormenting the league running off nothing but coors and smoked brisket.

A god to Mac Jones

 

[jcs0218]

Kelce and Mahomes are whining again:

https://www.tsn.ca/nfl/travis-kelce-calls-out-justin-tucker-for-poking-the-bear-19.72468

 

[Terry Yake]

you would think they'd be focusing on the next game instead of bitching and moaning about an opera singing kicker

if tucker was trying to get into their heads, he's done a great job of it

 

[StreetHawk]

you would think they'd be focusing on the next game instead of bitching and moaning about an opera singing kicker

if tucker was trying to get into their heads, he's done a great job of it

SB is Feb 11, so they can speak on it a couple of days later, putting this to bed. Wed is practice day so it's over from their POV. Have to address it after Tucker talked about it. To them, his stuff was in Patty's way and they got rid of it to prevent him tripping over Tucker's stuff. End of story.